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I don't know in that particular case, but if they are hired by a Band Council, they may be seen that way in some places.

Start seriously paying down Canada's mortgage, and our land and other liabilities to Indigenous Peoples, protecting our human environment in the process. Start adjusting and realigning industries. I heard good news about national research-marketing partnerships. Canada is poised for international success, with the right kind of support. It is just a matter of vision toward the human environment of the generations to come. I think that works as a common focus. How can it not? Otherwise we would be intentionally planning for our own extinction. (to self:Wow, that thought went wild ... where did that come from? oh well ... let's see what people think. ) btw I voted Pay down the debt.

Afraid of Youth and Elders are you?

And my point was, of course, that the person who started this thread and the people who continue to bash warriors in fact have absolutely no knowledge of what an Indigenous warrior is.

They simply do not easily trust agents of Canada's government.

There were lots of warriors out there on the day of peace too. I am beginning to understand the bias about warriors: A 'warrior' is an Indigenous man who does something people don't like. If he is doing something people like, he is not a warrior. I get it.

I am reframing this thread to address the "Crown's Duty to Consult" in more general terms. Grassy Narrows, Tyendinaga, Six Nations, Sharbot Lake, Big Trout Lake ... all five blockades in Ontario right now are in place awaiting provincial consultation. GRASSY NARROWS LOGGING BLOCKADE ... since 2002. One of six blockades against industry currently in progress in Ontario. Amnesty International Canada Urges Halt to Logging Indigenous Land By Kate Harries TORONTO, Ontario, Canada, September 25, 2007 (ENS) - Clearcutting vast swaths of northern boreal forest in the traditional territory of a Canadian indigenous tribe violates the rights of its members and should stop, says Amnesty International Canada. Amnesty is calling on the Ontario government to respect a moratorium on logging declared by the people of Asubpeeschoseewagong, or Grassy Narrows, until "free, prior and informed consent" has been given. "The Province of Ontario has long failed to uphold its responsibility to respect indigenous rights," the report states. "The province did not carry out meaningful consultation before licensing large-scale logging activities. Clearcut at Grassy Narrows on indigenous land. (Photo courtesy Carroll Cox, Envirowatch) Amnesty sent a mission to Grassy Narrows in April to look into the rights violations, only the second such investigation in Canada's history. While Grassy Narrows was chosen because a history of catastrophic disruptions makes the situation there particularly urgent, the report says it is not unique. Rather, "it's a powerful illustration of the great harm that can be caused by the exercise of arbitrary and unchecked state power over the lands and lives of indigenous peoples." The report received scant media coverage, even though it was released in the middle of the current Ontario election campaign in which indigenous concerns are an issue because of several high-profile occupations and blockades. One aboriginal occupation of a proposed subdivision on disputed land has lasted 19 months. "Aboriginal disputes are not on the wavelength of many editors unless they erupt into violence, in which case it fits their news values," John Miller, journalism professor at Ryerson University in Toronto, said in an interview. Miller said he does not believe the attitude of news professionals reflects a majority indifference to a minority plight. "I think there is a more favorable, more curious attitude on the part of the general public than there is from the news media or politicians. It's unfortunate that the public is not going to learn about this report." Ontario Conservative leader John Tory, who is calling for a crackdown on indigenous protests, did not respond to a request for comment. David Ramsay, aboriginal affairs and natural resources minister with the incumbent Liberal party, defended Ontario forestry regulation as among the most sustainable in the world. David Ramsey is Ontario Minister of Natural Resources and Aboriginal Affairs (Photo courtesy Ontario Forest Industries Association) Grassy Narrows is the only community where there have been problems, he said, insisting, "We have good relationships, especially in the north where we have forestry." In fact, there has been a groundswell of discontent from First Nations across the north over resource extraction without revenue sharing. ... http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2007/2007-09-25-02.asp "The province did not carry out meaningful consultation before licensing large-scale logging activities. "The province did not consult meaningfully..." could be used as an introduction to ANY discussion of ANY native blockade in Ontario. It is increasingly crystal clear who is to blame for every blockade in Ontario. And the election campaign is too quiet about it. I think even Hampton has backed off.

And your evidence is ... what? Truth isn't always nice, eh?

Speaking of bullshit! Look I don't know the answer to the specific question you are asking. However, the reserve police are hired by the elected Band Council, not the Traditional people. If that means nothing to you ... buzz off to a thread you know something about.

They did that in May. but you know that.

That is interesting data. These correlations make it difficult to separate the effect of rising shares from that of increasing rates within groups. In other words, larger groups of immigrants there were more low income people ... because there were more people. That is not an astounding finding. What is bothersome about Canada's point system is that it credits people for education and skills that cannot be used in Canada without requalifying in English or French. Also bothersome are the badly needed skilled tradespeople who can do everything but read the manuals (in English).

No, but it has been discussed.

What is suggested there is the surrender was not approved by the Six Nations people in Council. It is like a union agreement that does not get ratified by members. finito. Besides, if the government was comfortable with its validity in 1841, why would the government try to get another surrender for the same land in 1844? I don't know the whole story of progress of negotiations. No one does except the people who are at the tables, really. Our government insists on 'secret' negotiations without us knowing what is going on. Six Nations people know because they have to discuss and decide. We do not ha e the evidence needed to decide, and we are not experts anyway. All we can do is watch what seems to be happening and guess at the rest.

WHY? so we can all be as grouchy as you?

I mentioned being there one evening. What has a job to do with what I do in the evening, and what's it to you?

mikedavid, I personally think people like you should have their citizenship revoked, only in my fantasies, of course. darn. Just wanted to share that with you. You don't have a friggen clue about Canada. Your opinions do not represent Canada, not well at all, imo. You shame us. And in case you missed the post above, the Mounties and the turbans issue was settled long ago, perhaps before your memory starts. http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-73-614-3302-1...mounties_turban When Baltej Singh Dhillon was accepted into the RCMP, he faced a choice — serving his country or wearing his turban. He chose to fight for his religious rights. In 1990, the federal government finally removes the ban preventing Sikhs in the RCMP from wearing turbans. The decision is not without its protestors, but as Dhillon says in this CBC Television clip, "I'm willing to look these people in the eye and tell them that I'm no different from them."

jefferiah the debate about turbans in the RCMP ended YEARS ago. It is OVER!!! There are turbans in the RCMP. Can you get over the loss and carry on, or are you going to remain stuck on that DEAD issue?

Well then you have less doubt than the negotiators, because they asked for SIX MONTHS and sent their historians and lawyers scrambling to try to find BETTER evidence than the 1844 'surrender'. Pretty much makes it clear they are acknowledging that the surrender just won't cut it as evidence. I wonder if it is the document where some thumbprints were cut out (poorly) and pasted on the document, some with straight edges where there should have been sworls, and I think some used more than once. It appears to me that after they screwed up the 1841 surrender, and Six Nations still refused to sell, the govie agents of the time were determined to get enough on paper to make it 'look good', if fraudulent, but in their zeal they gave themselves away!

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=252940 Perhaps you missed it.

I was commenting on the rise of women and minorities, so logically it is the white males left out of that movement. She meant reducing their privileged opportunities to equal those of others. No need to be paranoid, for cripes sakes. Are you saying that men require 'special treatment'? ... pampering with 'privilege and respect' (i.e., the EGO stroking of a dependent woman) in order to be successful? I haven't heard that argument before. I don't think it is a popular argument around here. Some people here are pretty down on 'special treatment for minorities'. Hey wait a minute ... aren't you one of those people? As far as I am concerned, those whiners can just "shut up and fit in"! We all need pampering !

Cripes, I find myself wondering how the heck someone with mikedavid's outspoken opinions could possibly get work, and how they tolerate him. 'Forced assimilation' of all immigrants? That is not what Canada is about. There is no need for people to feel so pressured to "fit in" and be 'the same' as previous immigrants to Canada. Canada simply does not require that, because that is the wy Canadians like it. Freedom of religion and culture, and our own combined culture too: People who are comfortable in two worlds. Nothing wrong with that. Also, people in touch with their culoture will be much more valuable to Canada in the future, as we turn our expertise to marketing research and technology worldwide. There is no question though that this is a small minority of men who have such difficulty with today's world being different than the idealized 1950's, so much difficulty that they lash out at whole groups of innocent people. I don't think I ever met a real racist until last year. It's ... illuminating ... I suppose ... and I guess it is important for them to air their views to see how much support there is for that extremism. Only 25 people came out for the last Caledonian 'rally'. The popularity of those who use racial insults seems to be in decline, and so is the popularity of those who express their racism in more subtle ways, like complaining about 'two-tier' justice: This despite the fact that all of the available evidence shows that Six Nations people are the ONLY people to be charged with anything, despite frequent assaults on police by Caledonians trying to shove past them, etc. "Shut up and fit in" ... how well that describes what has been demanded of Indigenous Peoples. But it is not the reality for anyone in Canada, not required. I am beginning to understand the feelings somewhat, but I still believe that the solution is to go forward, not backward.

Reading this thread, I think I have had an 'AHA!' experience. Let me see if I can say this right: Since women and minorities 'got liberated', some white men have felt discriminated against because they perceive that they are getting a smaller slice of the pie than previous generations of white men. Some seem to respond by feeling they have to defend to the death that which is white male 'privilege' (i.e., their traditional 'bigger slice'). Failing that, blame it on someone else - "immigrants" who are non-white, non-Christian, non-assimilative; Indigenous Peoples seeking justice and environmental control over the pie, I don't know about women as we haven't had that conversation. I can see that, how it all seems like threats ... to some others. I can see that now. Must sometimes be hard to explain the challenges to the older generations who retired before the changes hit them. There have been big changes. No question. The 'good' nurses and secretaries of previous generations are doctors and managers now. The taxi drivers are often from very different cultures and have unused degrees. So ... is it harder for a white man to 'make his way' than it was in previous generations? If so, and since we cannot go backwards from here, what are the solutions?

BURMA: Riot Police Set Upon Protesting Monks IPS - Special <[email protected]> 4:43 pm (3 minutes ago) Burma Marches On ================= Despite the brutal crackdown by police and the ensuing bloodshed in Burma, thousands of Buddhist monks and other protesters continue to march, demanding the end of military rule. The international community watches uneasily, fearing a repetition of the violence of 1988 when troops opened fire on unarmed protesters, killing thousands­. From the streets of Rangoon, and from Bangkok, Washington and the United Nations, IPS brings you unique perspective on the Burmese quest for freedom and democracy. ============================================================================ Protesting Monks Set Upon by Riot Police Moe Yu May and Marwaan Macan-Markar RANGOON, Sep 26 (IPS) - In a desperate bid to cling on to power, Burma's military junta stomped on the country’s rich Buddhist traditions on, of all days, a religious holiday, when people usually spend their time in prayer at the hundreds of pagodas that dot this country. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39413 ***** Call for Urgent International Talks on Burma at UN Jim Lobe WASHINGTON, Sep 25 (IPS) - Amid growing anti-government demonstrations in Burma, the International Crisis Group called Tuesday for U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to convene urgent talks with the foreign ministers of China, India, and Singapore, the current chair of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, to promote a peaceful settlement to the political crisis there. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39405 ***** Monks Lead Protests, Challenge Junta Moe Yu May and Marwaan Macan-Markar RANGOON, Sep 25 (IPS) - Like they did for over a week, the monks who gathered at Burma’s most sacred site -- the Shwedagon pagoda -- performed a ritual on Tuesday under a blistering mid-day sun. They sat on the hallowed grounds of the majestic temple in Rangoon to pray for the people’s 'victory'. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39400 ***** Buddhist Clergy on Collision Course With Junta Marwaan Macan-Markar BANGKOK, Sep 21 (IPS) - Burma’s Buddhist monks are threatening to turn an on-going protest against steep hikes in fuel prices into a religious and moral showdown with the country’s oppressive military regime. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39354 ***** Buddhist Monks Take on Military Regime Marwaan Macan-Markar BANGKOK, Sep 7 (IPS) - Political tension in military-ruled Burma has taken an ominous turn with soldiers clashing, this week, with sections of the country’s respected Buddhist clergy. The confrontation was the latest in an unfolding drama that has featured rare public protests at massive hikes in fuel prices in August. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39173 ***** Junta Exposed by Information Technology Marwaan Macan-Markar BANGKOK, Aug 30 (IPS) - As public protests in Burma enter a second week, Burmese journalists living in exile and other expatriates are finding new appreciation for the marvels of modern communication and information technology. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39082 ***** A People Running on Empty Marwaan Macan-Markar BANGKOK, Aug 24 (IPS) - For over a week, Burmese civilians in and around Rangoon have been forced to make a tough choice -- stay at home and starve or go to work and labour on near-empty stomachs. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39007 ============================================================================= And much more global news at: http://www.ipsnews.net/ ============================================================================ Inter Press Service News Agency (IPS), the world's leading provider of information on global issues, is backed by a network of journalists in more than 100 countries. Its clients include more than 3,000 media organisations and tens of thousands of civil society groups, academics, and other users. IPS focuses its news coverage on the events and global processes affecting the economic, social and political development of peoples and nations. ============================================================================= Visit Inter Press Service at http://www.ipsnews.net

The sentence you quoted was part of an italicized quote from the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Land Rights Statement at the beginning of this thread. If I was native I would say so, but I am not. (potato famine Irish-Canadian, actually). Some members of my family are.

The Coast Salish Indigenous Action Movement supports the Indo-Canadian call for VANOC to fire Bruce Allen from the Olympic Committee. **** "Activist calls for Bruce Allen's removal from Olympics committee" HERE HE GOES AGAIN! Bruce Allen on the Rant Again! See Raven's Eye article at the end of Globe and Mail article. Way back in 2000 I organized a rally against CFOX Radio and Bruce Allen which hit all the papers and tv media. One day, on his show, he noted that there was talk about a proposed roadblock by First Nations individuals in Vernon. He began his rant and although this particular show wasn't a call in.. he fielded calls. He enjoyed his conversations with the racist callers but degraded, hung up on and made fun of those who supported First Nations issues. I tried to call in but it was too too busy. I called in to the office to share my concern and requested an apology to our people from Bruce Allen or we would take action. No call was forthcoming and the station had decided no action was to be taken against their staff, that no actual wrong-doing had taken place. I called our people, faxed, posted posters. We organized a rally outside of CFOX and organized a rally against media racism outside of the Bayshore Inn where a Human Rights Conference was being held. Bruce Allen was suspended for a bit and yah.. it was good enough at the time. Those who know how to do archival searches can find Van Prov and Sun articles and photos. At the end of that year the story ended up being one of the Province's headlines of the year! Manager's radio remarks spark storm of outrage ROD MICKLEBURGH From Saturday's Globe and Mail September 22, 2007 at 1:04 AM EDT VANCOUVER — Bruce Allen, the veteran, outspoken manager of many Canadian music stars including Michael Bublé and Bryan Adams, is facing calls for his removal from the 2010 Winter Olympics' creative team over controversial remarks he made about immigrants. In one of his regular commentaries on radio station CKNW, Mr. Allen charged last week that Canada is being pilloried by "special-interest groups" who want special rules for themselves. He mentioned "turban-wearing Mounties," those who complain about having to wear motorcycle helmets over their turbans, and the controversy over whether veiled women should be allowed to vote. "If you choose to come to a place like Canada, then shut up and fit in," Mr. Allen declared, adding that demands from special-interest groups are easy to solve. "There is the door. If you don't like the rules, hit it. We don't need you here. You have another place to go. It's called home. See ya." Mr. Allen's comments evoked a storm of outrage within the Indo-Canadian community. Punjabi radio hot-line shows have been deluged by angry callers demanding some kind of action be taken against Mr. Allen. At least one complaint has been lodged with the CRTC. ... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.h...e55&k=45653 If he is just doing it for 'dramatic effect' for his radio show, then he would be willing to apologize. The guy is a jerk and should not be on the Olympic organizing committee. What kind of role model is that for kids?