Peter F

as John Cleese said in the 'Cheese Shop Skit'; Do please explain the logic underlying that conclusion.

If there's nothing wrong with internment then why were we not all interned? The percieved threat was from the Japanese. Those Canadians of Japanese descent were considered untrustworthy - without a shred of evidence to support it. It was bigotry pure and simple. The very same bigotry that refused to compensate them for their losses caused by the internment. They were'nt Canadians they were Japanese no matter what thier citizenship papers said. Therefore they were the enemy and war is hell. This is pertinent because the very same logic is being used against Canadian citizens today. They're Muslims from Lebanon therefore they can't be trusted....despite thier Canadian citizenship. Its nothing but bigotry.

I agree, Its propaganda. Support our troops actually means stop bitching about the war. One and the same.

Thank you for that. Make no wonder I wouldn't recite it. Then again, I'm not American so why would I?

Is the list to stop howling or is it to stop terrorists hijacking planes? Is the state doing something entirely pointless in order to stop howling or is it doing something rational to stop hijacking? Personally, I think the list had its anti-hijacking point when originally established since the airport security apparatus was not yet in place. But things have since changed and now there is absolutely no point to a no-fly list. So now it appears as the list is only there to stop howling....except its not working very well for that either is it?

That is because you do not know what a REAL country is. And that is a country that belongs to your tribe and no one eles's. Then you would feel proud and dedicated. You are mistaken. I most certainly would not and do not feel pride for my tribe to the exclusion of others. I do love this country. I love it because we have no pledges to recite, nor dutys to salute flags, nor requirements to wear ribbons, nor rules to behave 'Canadian'. Those are things that make this country great.

...such things make us "world class". Why someones sense of pride is dependant upon fruitcakes in other lands is beyond me.

While I'm not a Jehova's witness, I have considered a pledge of allegiance to a flag to be idolatrous.... ... Personally, I think such pledges are meaningless pap. To me anyways. Others find value in such things. I wouldn't have recited the pledge either. I betcha if I'd have been in attendance no one would notice me not reciting.

Who's to say your loyalty lies with our country? What is it about you that puts you above suspicion? What is our "Way of life"? That is always left undefined by the "They should accept our way of life or go home" crowd. As long as that is undefined then immigrants will always be unnaccepting of our way of life. The argument is bullshit, and conveniently so for the anit-immigration lobby. As for Japanese internment, the state decided that no evidence of Loyalty to the adopted country was to be considered. The one and only reason for internment was that they were of Japanese descent. So acceptance and adoption of Canadian "Values" and our "Way of life" didn't mean squat. The interned were suspect because they were'nt really Canadians. Ah, the good ol days, when trustworthy and true Canadians were easy to spot.

After spending so much effort to show the Western-Christian moral superiority to Islam you prefer to emulate your perception of islam. Since they don't apologize for chopping heads there is no need for us to apologize for raping children. But then what would anyone expect from a sheep-shagger.

Rebilding nations has no known mathematical equation that could possibly answer the question I asked...therefore you say rebuilding the nation is the proper course to take? Without definition and without limitation? This is an intelligent committment of our under-equiped and under-manned armed forces? Good strategy? Who says I want to get our forces involved in Noble Deeds like Darfur? To make it very clear - I say stay the hell out of Darfur, Iraq, Somalia and wherever else Noble Deeds need to be done. The people of those places are quite capable of performing Noble Deeds without our help...unless, of course, they don't particularly give a shit...in wich case all our noble deeds will be for naught. As for proving to the world that we cannot keep our committments; By committing our undersourced forces to open ended committments we are guaranteeing that such committments will not be honoured. We are stretched making it to 2009, as you well know.

What's silly about reality? This is a valid question - with much more attention to reality than the mookies out on the street screaming for an end to Canada's involvement - without any regard to what that means for the future, or what it means for the people living in that country. When you march down the street with a placard stating "CANADA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN" the other side should read "TALIBAN BACK IN POWER!!" because that's tantamount to what you are ...in REALITY saying. Thank you for explaining what I think. Now I realize the truth - Canada is keeping the Taliban out of power. We are crucial to who forms the government of Afghanistan. I'm just curious about when we gained that power and why didn't we wield it before?

I think that 40% of 17 billion of defence contracts without tender is a little on the 'iffy' side. Such criticism is certainly valid. Being members of the opposition they are doing thier job they are expected to do. The government can justify the contracts can't they?

I gave one of the silly answers. The poll is silly. How about a poll like this: Do you approve of wife beating, even if the woman doesn't deserve it? I agree that most Afghans had no use for the Taliban theocracy. I also believe that Afghans are quite capable of keeping the Taliban out entirely on thier own. This was proven many times during the Afghan civil war when anti-Taliban warlords with enough cash managed to give a thrashing to the Taliban. The Taliban got its support (in arms and personnel) from Pakistan - not Afghans (unless the Afghans were paid enough). The Northern Alliance swept through Afghanistan in very quick time once the flow of cash from America allowed them to undermine Taliban support. Wich is to say, yes, Afghans really don't support the Taliban - Pakistan (the government) did, and Pakistan (elements within) still do. Also agreed that since the civil war and subsequent Taliban government reduced Afghanistan to the dark ages in infastructure and economy, that the present Karzai government may need western $$$ to induce greater support amongst the Afghani's and also pay enough to keep a standing army. So in the short term Afghanistan needs help. Fine. But what bugs me is nobody is willing to say how long is enough. 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? When the Religious Fundementalism no longer attracts recruits? Its been 5 years now. How much longer? How much time doe's Karzai need ? 50 years? 100?

Zilch. Doe's that mean us Lefties should welcome a more theocratic bent to the world of Justice?

Niether does invasion and occupation. Since the USofA is a domocracy the authors recommendation of going postal in Iraq isn't gong to happen. The Americans always intended to withdraw anyways, their planned withdrawl is only being delayed. Withdrawl doesn't always mean peace and it certainly won't mean peace for the Iraqi's until thier civil war is fought to a conclusion (and the winning team will be a brutal bunch of muthers), but the USofA will have peace if they withdraw. Just like after Vietnam when the South Koreans withdrew or when the British withdrew from Indonesia. Peace reigned when the troops were brought home.

Yeah. South Korea withdrew its forces from Vietnam. Despite puilling out the stops they still lost. South Africa withdrew from Namibia Britain withdrew from Indonesia the Algerians are still fighting. Brutality doe's not guaranee Victory. Civilized behaviour does not guarantee defeat. This article is a gross oversimplification of a very complex problem. The author believes that the USA should actually intensify the killing and maiming. This would result (according to the author) in the insurgents giving up and turning thier arms into ploughshares....sorta like the Palestinians did...no wait, they havn't yet. Bad example. No, the IDF sitll functions with a modicum of civilized behaviour. Russians! Yes, Russians marched into chechnya twice - the second time they made sure they did it right - turned it into a free fire zone and flattened the place with artillery/tank fire. Seems to have worked to. or the Allies bombing Germany and Japan flat without regard to loss of life amongst the targeted. So lets look at the Iraq problem and apply some western know-how. The USA should declare Baghdad a warzone - Bomard the place three ways from Sunday then have the grount troopsstart at one end and move slowly through shooting anything that moves. When they are done they should then remove all the heads that can be found and boil the skin off them, then make big piles of bleached skulls beside the roads that enter the city. The insurgency would collapse. And every Iraqi would love america again. Unfortunatly, and my thanks to God above for it, politically no-one can advocate for this either openly or behind the scenes. I love democracy - especially when it works.

Are you kidding me, i thought we were just over that piont, lets start at the top shall we. the sister, accused of assisting her brother in running a camp for training terrorist, has openily admitted on TV interview that she supports the taliban and it's way of life. now living in Canada, on our dime. Zaynab Khadr accused of helping her brother run a terrorist training camp. Did she serve donuts? What precisely is the charge and who is making the accusiation? that would be the youngest. Abdulkareem, crippled in the shootout in 2003 that killed his father. Born 1989. Hell, he provided some actual service to various intel agencies. So whats wrong with this guy? Yeah. Thats the way it should be is it not? I agree. But first, lets actually gather up some evidence that they are combatting us and/or aiding and abetting others who are fighting us. Till then, they get to say whatever pleases them. Just like everybody else.

and who, in particular, is living the life of reily here in Canada and is/has been fighting Canadian troops?

Actually, the Lefties (me) want both to be treated compassionately.

...my point being: The ones that acted are either dead or in jail. Those that talk and do nothing else are bitchin and moaning and chest thumping harmlessly next door. all is as it should be.

and who's holding you back? I think you're doing a fine job of squeeking something similar.

That is a good question, but my guess is i don't know why they have not been arrested or deported. read the article below from an interview from one of the Khadr sons, then read the entire family bio you be the judge, would you want them living next to you...and can you honestly tell me they were not part of the same organizations we are currently at war with... kdhar link Khadr background. Lets see...Omar was picked up in Afghanistan and dropped into Guatanamo. He co-operated with the Americans and was released. What was his crime? I mean real crime...not just unpleasant behaviour. His brother (allegedly) committed the crime of killing an american soldier with a hand grenade amongs other less violent things. So aside from the lad in guatanamo, what are the Khadr's crimes? Talking big. So far thats it. Bravado and bullshit are not crimes. Actions count...and so far Momma Khadr has taken none.

Canada doesn't arrest terrorists? or those that harbour and support terrorists? We have no laws that allow the police to arrest these people? Who is it you see harbouring and supporting the same people you were fighting? Khadrs Mom?

army guy: and there's the goon; who are "all like them"? Brown people? Muslims? folks who don't cut their lawns? People who think our morality has gone to shit?