Moonlight Graham
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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
1. I think we agreed on the definition using the term extreme? Extreme and marginal mean the same thing. Don't they?
2. We're not looking for 100% agreement. We're looking for a way forward, a common space, common morality.
1. "Extreme" sounds more extreme.
2. People don't agree here because they have different morality. A common morality isn't going to happen anyways, it hasn't existed in centuries if ever, and now the crazy people are too crazy and they've seemingly grown in numbers over the last 10 years. Getting the Trumpsters and wokesters to agree is impossible. Getting the wokesters and moderates I.e. Bill Maher to agree is probably not even going to happen.
So we're left with the realm of politics: a struggle for power. A battleground for morality. The culture war. It's on tv, in our schools, workplaces, almost everywhere. If people want to change society, whether banning Muslim immigrants and making Trump a dictator OR making society a bastion of woke hyper-sensitivity then the only way to defeat them is to 1. Convince them why they're wrong, or 2. If that fails, stop them any other legal and ethical way possible. My aim is to do both.
But I'm not looking for cultural peace if they're only looking for culture war. If I need to meet them in the field to defeat them I will. But I'm scared of being canceled for it like most are, nobody wants to lose their job or lose friends etc, so I and others have to tread lightly. Anonymous msg boards and social media are tools here. But what we need are people brave enough to risk being canceled and stand up to the woke cancel culture mob. Bill Maher and Jordan Peterson and Dr Phil are examples, even if we don't always agree, but at least they're trying. It doesn't take much risk to virtue signal wokeness and go along with the woke moral bullies compared to standing up to them. Standing up to Trumpsters is easy, they do it every night on late night TV to great applause. That's why the woke have an advantage: feigning moral high ground, calling people racist etc, and getting people canceled for it.
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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
The thing about anti-wokeness is that it's kibble for a certain type of information consumer that just LOVES ridiculous marginal stories. It's like the "Florida man" meme, but on social progressives.
It's fine for a comedian who needs to entertain but that signal to noise ratio is low signal high noise. It's not zero, there is plenty to be concerned about... but most of the narrative is around ridiculous blue-haired activists in Portland, not Lindsay Shepherds.
To me - a "unity" figure would have to acknowledge what most conservatives here do, which is that trans rights are valid, but also push the questions of application out of the main sphere of public dialogue. How people deal with washrooms at a Wal Mart somewhere might be of interest but not of use.
China and North America are de-coupling. That's a big deal. Do we know about this ? Has anyone told APPLE ??Wokeism isn't just marginal though. The US and Canada are run by woke governments. The VP of the US was a diversity hire. DEI has crept into most large organizations throughout North America.
The point of highlighting the marginal stories is to speak out against it so that it doesn't become a norm. Not every school has removed certain books from their curriculum for silly woke censorship reasons, but give it 5-10 years and most of them might if people don't speak up.
And "trans rights are valid" doesn't get into any context, it isn't black and white as you framed it. There are many issues and rights to be discussed because there can be reasonable and unreasonable trans rights. Washrooms at Walmart are everyone's business because every woman uses them and every man's wife and daughter and sister and mother does too. It's a public issue. Again you're asking people to be quiet about something that affects them because you want that policy to be implemented. That's not going to happen. You need to accept that not everyone agrees with you.
I'm not even that interested in a unity figure because someone is going to disagree with them anyways. The left now hates Bill Maher because being moderate and reasonable isn't being woke and radical like they are. What I'm interested in is bad radical ideas being defeated and not having power.
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Just now, Michael Hardner said:
The younger generations are going to erase the effect of the baby boomers and that will start with rejecting figures like Dr. Phil. It's not going to be pretty.
Well a lot of young men like Jordan Peterson. But the young left are the ones that seem to resent the boomers, because boomers don't think like they do because boomers aren't insane.
The younger generations are brats. That's the way its been since post WW2 though. Dr Phil has made a career putting young brats in their place on his show. But the brats not on his show aren't going to listen.
The only person young crazy people will listen to is another young crazy person.
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Just now, Moonlight Graham said:
I like most of what Dr Phil has to say politically.
Musicians and actors.... meh. At least we have Bill Maher.
@Michael HardnerMaher is anti Trump and anti woke. We need a lot more of that. That's how we can unify, around reasonable ideas.
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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:
The answer is that he's influential and people like him. From the looks of it the committee is mainly political and not functional so that tracks.
Once again I want to point out that someone LIKE Peterson is really needed now. I might have thought Dr. Phil could maybe be that (?) but it doesn't seem so. I suppose it might have to be a musician or actor or some kind of young influencer type as nobody under 55 seems to have any faith in public figures.I like most of what Dr Phil has to say politically.
Musicians and actors.... meh. At least we have Bill Maher.
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3 hours ago, Aristides said:
Absolutely true. I'm just saying it no longer functions as a communist society.
Well the economy has had some capitalist reforms clearly but for the purposes of what's being discussed in this thread they remain communist in terms of the total government control they maintain. There have been virtually no democratic reforms in that country.
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PP is trying to appeal to the regular voters. It's a smart play. Of course, I don't believe him, because I'm not naive if this is for real then it will take years of similar behavior to build trust because tigers don't typically change their stripes. But I'm confident it's all a sham.
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6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
1. I'm not talking about the content. I'm questioning why someone with no background in an important topic is invited to speak on it.
He could have read from a Wikipedia page and been accurate. So could I. So could you. Are you and I okay to get invited to speak to Congress?
No idea, good question.
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16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
1. That's not a definition of Communism.
2. He's popular, but that doesn't mean his contribution has value. That's basic. Does your principle there apply to everyone, including people you don't like?
3. He's talking about state security and matters he's already shown that he's unprepared to discuss, in the past.
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Peterson is the kind of person we need to unite people. But if you're just going to support him because he criticizes liberals, that's your vanity showing.
What did Peterson say about China that you disagree with?
No he's not right 100% of the time obviously. His tweets now are very odd and filled with wrath, so maybe he drinks to cope with half the western world hating him and trying to destroy him and his career. I imagine that's stressful. And when he drinks, he tweets. Who knows.
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On 3/11/2024 at 6:57 PM, Michael Hardner said:
Dougie
Is Elmo
And Elmo
Is Dougie
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13 hours ago, Aristides said:
Not at all. China just doesn't function as a communist country. At one time it was a communist country but stopped functioning as one when it opened up to the west. It just continues to use the label. North Korea calls itself The Democratic Peoples Republic when it is nothing of the sort.
China is still totalitarian, the government has total control over whatever domestic businesses and organizations it wants.
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3 minutes ago, blackbird said:
No, you are making it up. Prove it.
He makes up a lot of stuff.
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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:
Do you have a non YouTuber who can back this up? Because if this was true, it would be a gigantic constitutional issue that every mainstream source would be talking about.
So do you?
I believe the bill does the opposite. You can say something hateful if it's from a religious belief/book.
A lot of Youtubers are trash and just want clickbait. If misinformation gets eyeballs it will continue. Everybody can now publish the National Enquirer from their bedrooms.
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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:
Monitoring isn't Communism.
China is/was a hybrid model with heavy government involvement.
Jordan Peterson is a former therapist who is popular because of an audience thirsty for old timey moral lecturing and oblivious to his poor scholarship.
He opines on many things he's not trained in.
Totalitarian governments wish to monitor the population as much as possible to maintain control and power. 1984 says Big Brother is watching.
China has the most CCTVs in the world, a fact. Cameras don't lie, but can only be used for justice in a fair justice system which China doesn't have.
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8 hours ago, Gaétan said:
Helping people in misery will lift you out of misery after your death
You can help them out without taking them on as "helpless" dependents. If they don't want a peaceful transition of power we can't force them to, we can just help. France and Spain set up the country as their colony and brought the slaves etc so they should be primarily responsible for helping them achieve strong institutions to ensure law and order and hopefully democracy.
As Cuba and China show, democracy is good but isn't the most important thing for a poor country, law and order and stable and strong institutions are more important because the very worst thing is chaos and civil war. It has nothing to do with "communism", it's about the strength of their government institutions to maintain order and stability.
A strong leader and government, even if it's a dictator who isn't a complete psychopath, is better than a country run by competing gangs with constant violence in the streets.
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On 3/7/2024 at 3:44 PM, herbie said:
Mr "Christian" and self-professed Pro Lifer wants to bring back capital punishment.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Maybe he wants them crucified like Jesus was
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We tolerate a bit too much and should demand more. The current gov is weaksauce.
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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
We're at the point in the discussion where we need some examples and an overall view also.
Example is every DEI policy. Like the new Oscar award nominee rules, or the black only scholarships shown in this thread.
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11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
Well that's what I thought but I couldn't find evidence. Of course we recruit highly educated people, which leads to strange racist tropes like "Chinese people are really good at Math"...
But I could not find a cite.
The immigration system doesn't "target" any specific countries or ethnicities. They receive applications from anyone in the world who wants to immigrate and then assesses each applicant based on a points system of different criteria. Applicants are ranked based on things like education, work skills, language ability etc. If more Korean or South Asian people get in over other ethnicities it's because either their criteria just happens to be better and/or more people from that ethnicity apply over others: https://ircc.canada.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
Then you have Canadians sponsoring spouses/children, plus refugees, neither which have any of the above mentioned entrance criteria besides criminality and medical checks. In the case of spouses/children or refugees sponsored privately the Canadian sponsor needs to have enough income to support the applicant for a certain # of years.
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11 hours ago, Black Dog said:
I've never actually seen any evidence this happens.
DEI is taking opportunities from people from one or more groups and giving them to people from another group(s) perceived as less advantaged. That's literally the entire point. If this wasn't the case then DEI wouldn't exist.
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The problem with far left economic thinking is that it significantly underestimates the selfishness of the general public.
How many people would volunteer to be roofers or bathroom cleaners for 40 hours a week? How do you prevent freeloaders? And there will be many freeloaders. The honour system?
You stop giving out parking tickets and many if not most people would ignore parking rules. That's just the way it is. The honour system doesn't work because many people just aren't that honourable.
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16 hours ago, Perspektiv said:
Who will hold our media to account, with what they broadcast?
Why do you think people are so vulnerable to disinformation now?
I don't trust the news like I used to, to inform me.
Bias was always a part of the game, but never have I seen news take an interest in sensionalism vs information to get clicks, more than now. If there is a time this was worse, I wasn't born.
Blaming China for spreading disinformation, is a lazy cop out.
Its like me blaming a guy for flirting on my wife, as to why she gave them her digits.
Take care of your business, and people won't consider the alternatives.
The news, our politicians are no different.
Trying to further control how we communicate when they can't do their jobs, comes across as a slap in the face.
Disinformation is a different issue than online hate. This bill doesn't address disinformation, unless its hateful.
That said, yeah the news has a lot more bias now, but I also don't believe hardly anything on twitter. It's amazing how many people on twitter lie and spin things to convince people of their point. Twitter is like an app for information con-jobs. And it's not just bots and foreign agents, it's all sorts of regular people with political agendas.
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Over the past 3 years more people have left our military than joined it. That's insane.
1 hour ago, I am Groot said:Recruitment shortage. Every time this sort of thing gets posted on another discussion forum I visit it draws a flood of complaints from people who tried to join and got nothing but roadblocks tossed at them, or waited 18 months for a callback that never came and gave up.
I know there's an extra wait for non- Canadian permanent residents because of the extra security checks.
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9 hours ago, Black Dog said:
"Asian" people tend to do better when you ignore the disparities that exist within that grouping. It's kind racist to lump more than 25 million people (U.S. Asian population) into one group and define them by stereotypical traits.
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean Canadians make higher incomes than white Canadians. Filipino and Southeast asians make less than white Canadians. Do you think this has to do with their race and how they're treated racially in Canada?
South asians (brown people) in Canada make more than white Canadians but black and hispanic people in Canada make less. Is this due to how these racial groups are treated in Canada?
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2022001/article/00004-eng.htm
Why should a caucasian or asian or Jewish person have jobs literally taken from them and given to someone else just because that someone else is black and their family comes from e.g. Jamaica or Somalia etc. it's not in any way the fault of a caucasian or asian or Jewish job applicant or student that the education and/or socioeconomics in Jamaica or Somalia are not as good as other countries or cultures.
If you want to better yourself in Canada then work for it and make good life decisions for you and your kids just like everybody else. If you want to help disadvantaged people then do it by a criteria that's non-discriminatory and actually makes sense like income.
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Why Poilievre is distancing Conservatives from corporate Canada
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Don't worry Michael, if people don't hate on you it means you're probably doing it wrong. Even Jesus and Abe Lincoln and Gandhi and MLK had haters. In fact, they were all murdered by their haters now that I think about it.
Trump and Jordan Peterson are also loved and hated by many. So I guess who is right morally is all in the eye of the beholder.
A world where we all agree means nobody is thinking, just complying.