beatenwoman2005

'tiredofthebull' date='Aug 19 2007, 04:34 PM' post='244875'] FTA Lawyer' date='Apr 24 2007, 10:21 AM' post='211762'] beaten, You are correct in assuming this is a wacko. got hit by boyfriend, was drunk, cops took her to jail, now all the world is going to pay for this. this has been going on for 3 years. geez read all her posts. all trying to get anyone and everyone fired or sued. someone needs to tell your psychotherapist to up your pills. get off the computer, you seem to have so much time writing nonsense and get a job. The above is very funny, I have just managed to catch-up on some forums. I really enjoyed your article on Anna Nicole Smith in the other forms pertaining to how All of the above is a direct QUOTE, from tiredofthebull… perhaps it is time to get into the world of reality where there are people suffering. Most people on the planet desire to earn a great deal of cash, and then spend it how they will enjoy it.. then there are others that stand up to create right’s for other’s and themselves with their money, like moi..... The sad truth is that this poor gal on here does not have the slightest clue as to what happened to me. Yes I carry a torch for Victims who can not speak out for themselves, as I have been one and I will stand because so many do not know how to navigate the justice system....... I would like to take this time to point out several articles that are coming out regarding right’s of a victim, I have the ability to change things, I have done so not only for myself but for others. Shame on a victim like yourself who claims that other’s do not require help…. STAND UP and make a difference, use your talents of writing online and life experiences to do something that will change the course of history for the benefit of others. Here are some articles I have pulled off line pertaining to the right’s of victims- HELP VICTIMS BY RAISING HELL obstruction of justice n. an attempt to interfere with the administration of the courts, the judicial system or law enforcement officers, including threatening witnesses, improper conversations with jurors, hiding evidence, or interfering with an arrest. Such activity is a crime. Make application to the federal government for ministerial review under Sec. 696 of the Criminal Code, a complex process that only the best lawyers can navigate....if some people would have the ability to take a stand the world would be a beter place... Read the next tid-bit it is quite specfic.... Wrongly convicted can hardly get justice Am I bitter? Yes you better believe it, and... I will make change, because I can. I would like to take your Quote, tiredofthebull and say to you......"out of curiosity what have you done for this "world'?" FTA- Keep tabs on MB...

Hmmmm.... so as it turns out, filing complaints and getting a response from proper areas takes YEARS.... how wonderful..

I agree that there should be something put into place where the government acts on BEHALF of a victim(S) regarding legal action, but there is NOTHING in the Province I reside in.... pertaining to LEGAL AID...... Now having said that, I am taking legal action.... it is an uphill battle if your dealing with corruptions within Justice systems that were designed (Or they have the public believe) to serve and PROTECT.. *****HINT HINT*****

I have to admit that I do write on the fly on this site... things do not always come forth as they are intended to through basic writing on here. Thank you for addressing "SOUL", VS..."SOLE"... roflmao...... message was still taken in as proper content. BUT.... needless to say, there are many errors by the system(S) that forget that there are victims out there. Victims of violent crimes have a life time of recovery in several areas. We have the Federal government and the Provincial government that take taxes away from us to PAY for these things, the end result is a hard drain on the system(S), taxes go up, and Tax Payer's become upset. How funny that you failed to mention the FEDERAL Child support guidelines that so many mocked prior to them being enforced within Canada..... I would like to point out that they do work. Paying for the time is relevant since Canada signed an agreement with the UN to compensate Victims of Crime. Now through this, there needs to be some form of RECOVERY to the systems that are in place, by the "PERPS". Thus in doing so, it can reduce the amount of tax dollars that are paid out to house, feed, clothe...etc......etc.............etc............ How many years has it taken other processes to be established regarding Child tax tables, The Right to Vote, etc...etc...etc...etc...... Many in the public also stated that this would not work. Something has to be put into place regarding this, even if it is 10.00/ month or even 20.00/ month for the rest of their lives......HOW harsh is it to put this into place, when it will provide assistance to other areas where there needs to be ASSISTANCE? This topic will be discussed on CBC soon enough!

This is insane....... grow-up.. I met you on the web, for all I know you could smoke crack, and scratch your backside and enjoy doing so. As for my child, he is happy and well, and I have never lost him to anyone, as a matter of fact I have soul custody. Where would you get that concept from? As for friends, I have several... but of course, they are in the real world not in CYBER SPACE. As for the booze and drugs, ROFLMAO..... I do not do drugs, nor do I drink .... you are one strange person.... I have no desire to meet people on the web, I meet people in real life, teaching. I am currently in University, and teach, as well I lobby. This forum is not about anything other than having CONVICTED felons Repay the system that they drained, I requested feed back from other's in the world on this concept.. Feel free to comment on the subject matter. This trolling seems to be getting a bit far on this site, perhaps there are a NUMBER of persons on here that do have convictions. OKAY, now back onto the SUBJECT at hand.... If there were a table SIMILAR to the child support tables within the justice department having these persons REPAY a system that they drained... What would a realistic cost be? 50.00/ month for how many years? How long and how many think that this DEBT to society be repaid since to house a convict runs an average of 50 thousand dollars a year, which is PAYABLE by the taxpayers of Canada! I honestly feel that if there were a COST that was repayable by a convicted person we would see crime rates across Canada drop. Convicted persons are sent back out into the world (from what I understand) with assistance regarding job placement, and housing assistance if they do not have their own.

And so they said that it could not be done, to make people pay child support.. yet the guide lines came, many argued, and look at what we have today... a wonderfully functioning system that children benefit from. As well it has helped out to reduce the costs of welfare....etc..etc...etc... it has been a win, win situation. You know nothing of what happened to me in my life, or what has brought me here today. Take it from the public inquiry that is going to be conducted ... I will state no more on this subject matter, other than to the poor troll who left the above comments... Stand up, Women won the right to vote in Canada because someone took a stand....have a peek- COOL WOMEN Sometimes when people who have never had children can not see the UNJUST issues as it does not impact a future they can imagine or dream of through their child's eyes. (As the above noted troll has not given birth). Convicted persons can be made to pay back a system even if it is on 50.00/ month for the rest of their life... they caused the rife... they can PAY to change it... Time served is not enough. Other's before me have spoken of this EXACT line on CBC, and another will be speaking again on it within a couple of months... Time to pay~! It will reduce crime~!

Perhaps it is time to read the forum rules- Be Polite and respect Others No Trolling/ Flaming No Personal Attacks For your reference troll- Forum Rules

He who laughs last laughs best... yep some are felon's...... you should learn to use the spell check on the sight, it is free~! You haven't laughed a day in your life for the past year by your own admission. You live to wallow in your own pity. Have fun Hu?///?? I am going to ask you to not Hi-jack my thread, but rather to stay on topic. These are valid situations that require looking into by the systems that are in place at this current time. There are to many cases before the courts that suck up time, and we the public pay for it, in SEVERAL ways. I have family that require medical care, and I have required medical care over the last 2 years. I have lost a number of organs, as well as I have been required to have operations in order to regain use of one of my limbs due to a number of assaults that could, would and should have been prevented by the systems that are in place. The operations were not able to occur in a timely fashion because of the drain on the system, as I am not the only person on this planet. I have only been able to obtain these procedures over the last 15 months. This thread is about how to empower other's not only myself regarding the systems in Canada. Why attack someone who is willing to post their ideas? Is it due to the possibility that other's lack the drive and ambition regarding making necessary changes to a system that is failing others? Is it due to those who only like to sit back and complain about something rather than to get up and change it? I have met many who complain in their life.. and all of those that have complained have not gotten off their Backside and stood up for something that could create a positive situation for other's in Canada, that is why Health care, as well as the justice system in Canada are failing. Take a chance, get off your backside, and Stand up for something other than to only complain about things only in forums. God knows I have, and I always will... ***back on topic....

He who laughs last laughs best... yep some are felon's...... you should learn to use the spell check on the sight, it is free~!

I said the same thing.................but then..... http://www.gov.mb.ca/healthyliving/minister.html Who knew , not me.And while not Ruby Dhalla-esque.....not too bad.(one sure way to get a link clicked on) OMG.................. ROFLMAO........

yes, even the Minister of Healthy Living needs to look at what the costs are for a person to live a healthy life.(Keep the Perpatrator alive long enough to try to repay the debt). ROFLMAO

Below I have drafted a Petition that could be presented in each province. Please speak about how you feel regarding what has been written in this petition. Do you think this can work? If not why.... TO THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF____________: 1- There are many Victims of Violent crimes in _______ranging from Murder, to assault. 2- The victims of ________ have a right to COMPENSATION according to the Compensation for victims of crime act. This money is funded by the province of ______ (WE THE TAX PAYER). 3- Victims go through medical treatment (ranging from therapy to medical procedures), and are supplied with wage losses that are capped at ________/ week this is compensated by the province of ______ (WE THE TAX PAYER). 4- Victims are not entitled to file CIVIL Suits with LEGAL AID representation; as this falls outside of the LEGAL AID Guidelines within the province of ______. 5- Convicted perpetrators are entitled to LEGAL AID, Food, Shelter, Clothing, television, and Education. They also (once released) are provided with a transition home where food, shelter, counseling, and other things are provided by the province of _________ (WE THE TAX PAYER). We petition the Legislative Assembly of __________ as follows: You COMMIT the crime YOU PAY FOR THE TIME 1. To request the minister of Justice, Minister of Healthy living, the Minister responsible for Persons with Disabilities, Minister responsible for the Status of Women, to Design and IMPLEMENT a pay table that convicted felon’s of VIOLENT CRIMES (once a felon is released from their sentence) will refund the Province of ________for costs associated with the crimes that have been committed. 2. To request These recovered funds to be placed back into 1st- The Province’s Healthcare costs related to the crime, 2nd- Court costs associated with Conviction, 3rd- Costs provided by compensation for victims of crime to the victim. 3. To request all Ministers to recognize the suffering of victims and their families throughout the province of _________. Name (please print) Address Signature 1_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 2_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 3_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 4_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 5_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 6_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 7_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 8_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 9_______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 10______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 11______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 12______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 13______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 14______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 15______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 16______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 17______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 18______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 19______________________________________________________________________________ _______ 20______________________________________________________________________________ _______ DEADLINE is ___________ Please mail originals (as soon as possible) to _______ ~If you have any questions please email- __________

There are numerous reason why the Gov should pay compensation. Liability for one. Why is the tax payer liable. Yes it is up to the GOVERNMENT in Canada to provide Compensation for victims of crime, this does not INCLUDE items that have been stolen. Compensation for victims of crime is required to assist a victims in regaining their ability to live out a normal life. Or do you people feel that only the CONVICTED should be entitled to any supports such as FREE legal council, FREE HOUSING, FREE EDUCATION, FREE....FREE........etc...etc...etc.... It is sick, just sickening that you people on here have no feelings when it comes to people who have been assaulted by a criminal. You think a person can just get back to being NORMAL after a sexual assault? Or a child can get back to normal after being SODOMIZED? The list of offenses that cause physical and mental impairments goes on and on and on..... SO the victims life is worth LESS than a FELONS? I am going to assume that on this site the people that are participating in this thread are a large number of convicted felon's. The tax payer is liable just as much to the victim as to the convicted... as "THE STATE" pursues charges against the felon regarding what happened to the victim. The victim still has to deal with their own life. The UN does make valid points regarding assistance to people around the globe, without HUMAN RIGHT'S, just imagine how the ENTIRE world could be... Now think of HITLER'S idea's having lived on... the entire planet would be filled with evil doers then. Victims are not compensated Monetarily, unless there is a loss of Counsellings, wages, re constructive surgery is sometimes required...etc...etc...etc....... Then the system is required to step in and provide assistance to those in peril so they are able to get back to their life..... There are many "WALKING WOUNDED" out there, because they are victims....

I would like to ad this- THE UNITED NATIONS has deemed that a victim is entitled to compensation. Canada, and the USA are members of the UN.... Take a peek at the database....

The proposal isn't for tax payers to pay. Rather, I think what is being suggested is that a criminal, upon convinction and sentencing for a crime, should also be compelled to pay an amount of money deemed appropriate to compensate the victim, and that this should happen as part of the main trial, and not require a seperate lawsuit. Of course, a problem with that would be that since many criminals are poor, they as a result would often be unable to pay (and not own anything worth repossessing) enough to compensate the victim. At least, that's what the text of the original post seems to say, though the poll options imply that it should be the government that pays. This money should be Ordered upon conviction by a judge. This is correct, upon sentencing there should be restitution regarding that of an individual that is found guilty of committing a criminal offense under FEDERAL law. This amount should be made PAYABLE to the system through a "GARNISHEE" order over several years after the convict has been released from jail and has obtained employment. This repayable amount should not conflict with the WELFARE tables that an individual is required to have in order for survival. This should be put into place as the cost of crime today is MILLIONS, and Millions of dollars each year. The cost of Medicare, the cost of our police, the cost of our courts, the cost to the VICTIMS....... This is a sure way to REDUCE crime in CANADA.....

Regarding a faulty claim- one must have money to obtain justice then for a victim of a violent crime? What if the individual does not have any money currently in their savings when they are found GUILTY in a court of law? So they have just added a burden AGAIN on the victims... this is a sick, sick line of thinking.... obviously your a person with money who has perhaps CROSSED the line at some point in your life.....hmmmmm Interesting, so I assume you want nothing to do with the medical system in Canada because it treats VICTIMS, oh yes, the Medicare system pays for medical treatment, and oh yes, the SYSTEM pays for court processes.........to represent serial killers, child abusers, etc... etc.. etc... According to you these people(VICTIMS) who had these things happen to them are not entitled to medical treatment, or any other supports that would enable them to become functioning people again. They should just become part of the LOST, homeless zombies on the streets of Canada.. My My my... you must have been an excellent achiever in the field of accounting. I will pray for you that none of your family ever has anything happen such as a MURDER, assault, or any other form of a violent crime. If one would look at the court system today and WHY it is bogged down, and WHY there are problems with Medicare, and WHY there are problems with violent acts it is because there is no FINANCIAL Accountability regarding the criminal.... Perhaps at some point during the course of your life you have been a perpetrator of a violent crime?

You can sue the offender, but in all cases in Canada it is nearly impossible to sue the offender, especially since LEGAL AID in Canada does not cover costs of a lawsuit in this regard, or for that matter ANY CIVIL proceeding in Canada is NOT covered by Legal AID.... Yet LEGAL AID covers the cost of defending an accused. This needs to be corrected.....~!~!~! There should be government tables, STRUCTURED similar to that of the Child support tables in Canada based on a CRIME~! REPAY, REPAY, REPAY for the crimes that were Committed. You already pay for the accused to have a fair trial in 99.9% of criminal convictions. You pay for the jails, you pay for their LIFE.....The money for these issues come from the public. I believe something should be put into place where a "PERPETRATOR" should be held financially accountable for the rest of their life (IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO PAY MEDICARE, AND COMPENSATION FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME BACK). There is nothing in place by the justice departments in Canada to recover the costs of a PERPETRATOR'S crime. It is high time that criminals be held accountable for the financial destruction that they create, perhaps this would reduce crime in CANADA.

I have to say as a victim it would appear to me that there are no systems in place for dealing with compensation for victims of crime. It appears that the accused (who is eventually convicted) seems to have all of the supports in place regarding a FAIR trail, FAIR representation, hot meals, a place to sleep, education, etc...etc....etc... the list goes on and on and on... What people fail to see is what the remainder of the day is...... a VICTIM, their family, a huge loss regarding being victimized.... It is up to the VICTIM in Canada to pick up the pieces (In the Province I reside) to rebuild that part of their life... there are no STIPENDS in place to index Compensation for Victims of crime, and no way to regain that amount of money taken from that system (If your lucky enough to have a compensation plan by the government in your province).. but yet there are so many structured items for that of a convicted felon.. WHO on this site can see what this system is doing regarding IGNORING the right' of a victim? I feel that if a convict is convicted of a crime that should be compensated~! It should be up to the "SYSTEM" to correct this issue on behalf of the victim as that is the job of JUSTICE, to correct a wrong doing. Not only should the system seek a CONVICTION but hold a criminal "ACCOUNTABLE" for their actions if it has caused a financial hardship, physically mentally, emotionally...etc.... Why should the rest of society pick up the tab for someone else's criminal action? If more convictions accompanied a FINANCIAL BURDEN we would see a better society for it. It would not only be a jail sentence, but a financial sentence, this should be the way things work. What are all the thought's out there on this?

In that case,may the farce be with you. yes, " MAY THE FARCE BE WITH YOU ALL".

I understand how you feel about the NDP. It is all a lie..... My family knows this to be true after what we went through as well. None of my folk will be voting NDP again because of a situation the NDP could have changed but they chose not to. You should confront their party platform in a public situation. Most people are cowards and are afraid to speak their mind because society believes we can not fight city hall, but we can. The truth about all political platforms is they are afraid of standing on an issue PRIOR to it coming in to light. The only time they take stand is when people like you speak out. Then and only then does it become part of their platform and they vow to make change. All the politicians suck, they all LIE.... They will do whatever it takes to get -reelected. There needs to be new parties put into place that can only be done with lobbying by you, me and others.

Uh hello you don't really think they are going to respond do you? The average crown is over-worked, under-paid and barely time to handle the file loads they are given. Any Crown is subject to public complaints and reviews. Go on the AG web-site and find out how you can complain about them. Just make sure your complaint is based on something substantial. Also keep in mind there is a thing called the Law Society of Upper Canada. Anyone can go there and complain. If you think there is a conspiracy being committed by a Crown you can also go to your MPP, MP or the news media. Really I will keep all that in mind.. ROFLMAO

I am wondering About that award from the United Nations that Gary Doer took last year why they have not spoke of that award much??? Any ideas?

I agree with you, BUT you must admit that in some professions they become STALE; by this I mean a career change should be MANDATORY. This is due to professionals becoming COMPLACENT, and loosing their ability to "FEEL". Example- You eat chocolate once and awhile and it is a thrill...mmmmmmmmmmmmm..YUM, YUM... You decide to eat it everyday from now on..... how long is it before it looses that thrill, feeling, sensation? (Simplified) Human Life Comparable- A Doctor comes into the profession with PASSION and the drive to help others, cure, heal, and ease the suffering of patients. After a number of years, the Doctor becomes robotic and looses the ability to feel because he sees that some care not for their person, and he sees that the system is to saturated to delve into helping an individual on a personal level. Now they loose their PASSION, and drive to help others... Human Life Comparable- A teacher goes into that chosen field with PASSION and drive to help teach others to read, write, etc.... The teacher sees that some children are damaged and that the parents do not care, they are starving, beaten, sickly, etc.... the teacher goes out on a limb to assist with this life because they see how important it is to the future. The teacher then encounters the system and sees that it is only one child and that this is happening to several others. They also see that the system is saturated. Now they loose their PASSION, and drive to help others... Too much of only experiencing one thing leads to you loosing your passion, and ability to feel for a situation, and ultimately you have forgotten how to deal with it from a FRESH, VIBRANT, Caring approach. This leads to MISTAKES.... Am I judging the profession of Crown's, Yes.. I most certainly am, there needs to be changes regarding attitudes as these are persons with REAL powers, if they make LARGE mistakes it is due to loosing their PASSION, and drive to help others... they have lost the light that they once held so close.... What is the solution? Perhaps an election process should occur regarding persons that hold JUSTICE positions, or those who DIRECTLY over-see these positions. It is up to some one to say ENOUGH, too many mistakes are being made, it is time to relieve these persons from their duties. It is too stressful for some of them to handle.... so elect those who can see this and correct it.

No one will be immune from this zero tolerance policy, so I would suggest you think carefully about your behaviour on the next few days/weeks. I am glad that you have done this, it takes away from good banter.

I want you all to know that they are all in bed with each other, all they want is to keep their hands in the cookie jar, no matter what. It is up to the people to change the systems and the corruption that they see, that is you me, and everyone else. They think we are just a bunch of push-over in society as a whole, and guess what, they are right. Most people tend to forget a problem because it is the flavor of the day, week, or month... TIme washes it away and a new issue comes aboard. Take hold of a thought and an issue hold it there, you too will see that you forget about it until it affects you directly. They count on that to keep getting elected. They consult with each other about it, we know but does anyone react? NOPE