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Another global warming thread? Good grief... like I said, I recall ducking under desks as the area I grew up in was a Nuclear Targeted zone. Not that ducking under desks were going to save us from the blast, but its the actual drill we did in school twice per year. And that was from Air Attack and ICBM. So, I really can't see what anything different , other then the risk of targeted military nuclear attack is far less then during the cold war... where one idiot could create thermal nuclear destruction of the planet.

Here are the wages for Manufacturing across the province I got from Stats Can. manufacturing wage $23.37 alberta $21.34 sask $21.08 bc $19.61 ont $17.89 que $17.25 man $16.53 ns $15.37 nb $14.75 nfld $14.47 pei

Who is talking about immigration? This thread, is regarding Migrant Foreign Temp workers, with the intent to displace local labour market forces.

Why is that? What has changed? I grew up under the threat of ICBM?

No I said that sounds like pimping. And it is. Why? Because that is NOT what is happenning at Maple Leaf Foods. The Union negotiated a contract that accepts more foreign workers under the union rates. The contract also holds Maple Leaf Foods responsible for citizenship of the Foreign workers. The contract also includes new rights and protections for temporary foreign workers. Three-quarters of the meatpacking company's workforce are immigrants, the majority of whom are fast-tracked into the country under Manitoba's provincial nominee program, which began in 1998. Maple Leaf Foods, which processes 86,000 hogs each week at its Brandon plant, has had trouble recruiting local workers. It spends about $6,000 to recruit and train each foreign worker it brings in. "This is not a temporary foreign worker program for us. It's just an avenue to allow them to get into the country," said plant manager Leo Collins as for wages being to high... well... The 2,300 workers voted 78 per cent in favour of the five-year deal, which includes wage increases and job reclassifications that will result in pay raises of up to nine per cent as well as improvements to the pension plan. There was a 78% turnover rate now its 11%. This is in no way similar to the Chinese workers in Fort McMurray. It is in no way similar to the way it was presented above. The companys goals are to train and retain. So, if I had to answer your question under the set of circumstances you supported as described previously, I would continue to call it pimping. I would consider the company and its agency exploiters, I would kiss the contract goodbye and those workers could stay in their country. Had that consideration been given to the two dead Chinese Tradesmen, working for table scraps in Fort McMurray, they would be alive. Infact, any Foreign temporary worker, working here for less money then the Provincial Labour standard should be sent packing home and the Agency lose all rights to supply labour to the province. My memory is also not short. The cause of the economic failure in the US is the result of Fraudulent Stock Market Practices, Ponzi Schemes, and a Prime Lending Rate on Mortgages that allowed the Banking Industry to increase their risk management by allowing those low wage earners to purchase homes in excess of their fiscal capacity. Bankers who are the ones people go to for financial advice and money, gambled on making more money off low wage earners and lost when the interest rates went up. The Financial Elite cause the Economic Collapse and required a bailout, but a jail cell would have sufficed.

How was breakfast?

did you eat it?

Sounds like pimping to me

If an employer has no work, then thers is no demand for labour.... If there is work, there is a demand for labour, and that Labour force wll demand services...such as housing, food, drugs and hookers if they are far enough north lol...

Me too.. Stats Canada...

I think I am with you on this....

No, a company that has work creates the demand for labour, which creates the demand for services. A temp worker stays in a multiperson housing shelter as does someone from NFLD. The person from NFLD will contribute more to the Canadian Economy. The amount of business that is generated to service temp workers is marginal compared to a fully paid employee. Unless you think $600 per month for a welder in fort mcmurray is a fair wage and should be the standard for Canadian Welder wages and one must believe that that $600 even if spent in Canada is marginal compared to the $4800 wages one should receive at minimum. You are mistaking a working immigrant for a Foreign Migrant Temp agency Worker. I also don't believe in two tiered labour.

Actually its #15, well behind Tokoyo and Osaka....Nag oya (All Japanese) and Sinapore and HongKong and right behind Sydney Australia at #14 http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/jun/12/tokyo-world-most-expensive-city HOwever Norway does have the HIGHEST standard of Living.... 1. Norway 0.943 () 2. Australia 0.929 () 3. Netherlands 0.910 () 4. United States 0.910 () 5. New Zealand 0.908 () 6. Canada 0.908 () 7. Ireland 0.908 () 8. Liechtenstein 0.905 () 9. Germany 0.905 () 10. Sweden 0.904 () What is interesting is that Canada Standard of Living is falling which is what people are starting to feel. The year represents when the report was published. In parentheses is the year for which the index was calculated. 2011 (2011)– Norway 2010 (2010)– Norway 2009 (2007)– Norway 2008 (2006)– Iceland 2007 (2005)– Iceland 2006 (2004)– Norway 2005 (2003)– Norway 2004 (2002)– Norway 2003 (2001)– Norway 2002 (2000)– Norway 2001 (1999)– Norway 2000 (1998)– Canada 1999 (1997)– Canada 1998 (1995)– Canada 1997 (1994)– Canada 1996 (1993)– Canada 1995 (1992)– Canada 1994 (????)– Canada 1993 (????)– Japan 1992 (1990)– Canada 1991 (1990)– Japan 1990 (????)– Japan

So which is worse... cocaine, hookers, drunk driving or trying to get Military Secrets over to the Chinese.....

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I don't disagree, I merely state the fact that Preston was not in power and its different when you are in power and facing all the pressures directly. Thus credit ultimately goes to the government. Mulroney ran the highest deficits in the history of this country , until the present Conservative Government surpassed that feat of incompetence. And yes Mulroney was succesful in picking pockets and running up the tab. Klien makes the cut but would he have been able to maintain this for 16 consecutive balanced budgets or the 25 in a row that the CCF achieved? Therefore Comment on T D is unfounded. 14 Puts Klien in 2nd, but deficits preceeded him and followed him by the same PC government. It was the era of belt tightening, as per Romanov, Klien, Harris, and Chretien/Martin. Bob Rae massive deficits remind me of Harper, Mulroney, Grant Devine and McGuinty. I am curious to Mulcairs position on Balanced budgets. Harper talks one but seems to come more from the US republican mold then the Reform Mould of Manning and I might even consider Klein more Reform then Conservative.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/raes-exit-honeymoon-boosts-liberals-in-quebec-in-latest-nanos-poll/article4427072/?cmpid=rss1 CPC 33.6 NDP 30.2 LPC 26.5

Preston Manning was never in a position to do something about it at any level. Perhaps one need look no further then T. Douglas who eliminated the deficits and balanced the budget over 16 consecutive times. Something NO Liberal or Conservative Premier had ever achieved previous.

I remember when there were people defending this truck purchasee a few years back. Which ironically shows how slow the process is. I I believe Army Guy pointed this out, I would love to dig up that old thread but it was one of those Thread drifts regarding Afghanistan.

IIRC the Swedish Democrats received more votes and more seats then the Centre Right "Moderate Party". However, I believe it is a Coalition Government of Moderate and 4 other smaller parties. Now what does this have to do with Lougheed, Mulcair and Stelman? Or is it proof that all political parties move to the Centre?

Might just be the best post of the year...

I don't suffer fools... but you seem to relish in it.

Agreed... the governments found LOTS of ways to spend money on war, so the excuses used during the GD were just that excuses Spending then increased after the war and the economies roared ...