daniel

when there is a conflict between religion and human rights, what do you think should take precedence? All those examples you cite are cases where it is Chriistianity that s practiising discrimination.

George W, the barbarian from Texas, has torn down civilised policies, retracted from foreign obligations, is allowing Islam to defeat the West and is turning the US economy second rate.

I don't call the shift from Trudeau to Martin to the left. If finance is all that matters to you, Martin got rid of the deficit on the backs of alot of Trudeau/Pearson/Douglas initiatives. He went further than what Mulroney tried to do. You call that shifting to the left? God bless Trudeau, Douglas, and Strong.

The last time I heard this kind of outright misrepresenation was about twenty years ago when someone said Ronald Reagan was a communist. Oh and don't say "common sense" to anybody from Ontario anymore. We're trying to emerge from eight years of hell but the damage from the Common Sensers is long reaching.

Hindsight is 20/20. Here come the denials, the distancing of ever having said, claimed, or supported this and that. For example: MFP, Island Bridge, Olympic bid - Left wing agenda or Lastman arm twisting with backroom deals? Where were you when the CSR forced amalgamation? Oh, as long as city hall is run by rightwing corruption everything is fine. But when the city is shifting to the left, reform is in need again. Sounds like you want a one-party system. The ultimate fallback argument.I guess you are happy with the $5.6 or $4.7 or $1.2 (or whatever the number is this time) billion provincial deficit that was supposed to come a cross a balance budget. Mind boggling.

So you still think everything was fine under Harris/Eves/Lastman? Most of those you listed were direct results of the Common Sense Revolution. Others ongoing for decades and decades. And after eight years of Common Sense and good-news budgets are we any better off? Meanwhile the neo-cons continue to ignore reality. Mind boggling.

Nobody's a winner with Bush in the Whitehouse.

You have got to be kidding. I wouldn't call cuts to provincial transfer payments, health care, post-secondary education, personal income taxes, UI payments socialist policies. As for Liberals being no different from the Democrats, that's only true since Martin became finance minister. Before that the Democrats were equivalent to the PCs and all the political analysts knew this. If you think that Bush is a Moderate Centralist, what kind of policies would you expect from an ultra neo-con? I wouldn't call his anti-gay marriage, his anti-abortion legislation, his revoking of Kyoto, cuts to aid for countries practicing abortion, his with-us or against-us doctrines moderate at all.

A translation book for right-wing jargon and doublespeak is what I need. Of course you right-wingers understand the logic perfectly. Here's one from your favourite governator I'm sure you have no problem with: "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman."

Oh boo, hoo. Poor Bush is treated so unfairly. You're leaving this one wide open. I'll be kind. Here's a quote only conservatives would understand: Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things we know we know," Rumsfeld said. "We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

Did Bush visit Afghanistan for Thanksgiving? No. Did he visit Afghanistan last year for Thanksgiving when the US wasn't yet occupying Iraq? No. Afghanistan is just a stone's throw away from Iraq. Unlike being in Iraq, the US has a legitimate reason to be in Afghanistan and by neglecting his troops there, he has also turned his back on the victims and families of the victims of 9-11. Some leader.

Those of us who have learned from the past recognize that what policians state as common sense is just simplemindedness supported only by biased studies of lobby groups. The only thing kids learn from boot camps is how to be better criminals. At $80K per year to incarcerate someone, it would be cheaper just to hand over (say) $30K per year and ask him to stay out of trouble. Or even to invest in programs to prevent the kids from entering into a life of crime to begin with. But when the private correctional institutions need to earn their living, they are the only ones in our society who benefit from the way our system turns our kids into career criminals.

Well, if the US would stop selling arms overseas, maybe the NGOs would have safe access to help the helpless. But nooooo. That would be bad for the US economy wouldn't it?

That's how you make your voting decisions - being swayed by the photo-ops and gimmicks a candidate makes??!! Heaven help us all in the free world.

How about adding these questions to your list: 1) When will the Charity Act be changed so that to increase lobbying activity?; 2) When will the Tax Act be changed so that donations to charities will be treated the same as donations to political organizations?; 3) When will funding to post secondary education be restored so that tuition fees will remain affordable; 4) Please confirm that the Canadian dollar will never be pegged to the US dollar; 5) Please confirm that Canada will not adopt the US currency as its main currency; 6) When will CSL be returned home to be properly taxed?; 7) When will the Gay-Marriage bill be passed?; 8) When will the legalization of Marijuana bill be passed?; 9) When will the National Daycare program be implemented?

Prove your claim.

Greg: At this late stage of events, the points righturn is challenging to provide proof has been dealt with over the past year by the media all over North America. Whether or not anybody agrees with these past arguments is old hat and he should already be aware of these points. You're are not serious in asking me to dig up all the arguments over the past year do you just to satisfy righturn's lack of keeping up to date with these events. I noted at one point where a new member wanted to debate the justification of the war in Iraq. You promptly closed that post stating the issue has already been argued and dealt with. Why can't you address the same with righturn's posting?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...l=1045739057805 http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...l=1045739057805 Here's another one from the Land of the Free. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...d=1067121006945 Your turn. Where's the proof for the WMD?

Observing another lovely example of what liberals do best: trying to destroy those personally with whom they don't agree.

Righturn: Don't tell me these discussion forums is your only source of current events. Anybody (else) who can breathe is well aware of the evidence presented by both sides of the war reported in all of radio, newspapers, television and countless websites. Where have you been this past year?

Not sure what era you grew up in but as far back as 1776, Canada/US relations hadn't been exactly peachy. Benjamin Franklin hated Canadians and I'm not going to get into why the CPR was built by (of all people) the Conservatives. The only era I can think of where the relationship was fair was during Mulroney's era. But Reagan didn't think much of him while he kept trying to kiss a$$. (Imagine that - being looked down by Reagan!!) The good ole days, huh? So, you find everything to do with Arar acceptable? I don't - and that goes for both sides of the border.

Your universe is only in black-and-white, eh? No, sorry, black-and-black. I guess the Mona Lisa was a waste of seven years.

Why are you so cruel? The fellow has a plan for higher education and that should be encouraged. Unlike other kids who have no plan, they end up wasting their youth and adult hood. At least you have identified an area he is weak: English grammar. Do we attribute that to the internet where most people rarely check their grammar and spelling before posting? Or is it a legitimate weakness in which he should practise improving? Are your comments about reserving university only for Canada or are they global? There's a certain President who certainly fits the criticism you describe.

Lost: Sure but (as noted in George Bush's resume): *I refuse to recognize the jurisdiction of the World Court. *I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from its Human Rights Commission. So who's going to enforce international law? About Canada-bashing: Please see Morgan's post as a prime example.

For an example of fiscally responsibility, check out the Ontario PCs. Even amongst the Common Sensers, they can't decide which of $4billion or $1.7billion is the deficit they left us. And between the Ontario Liberals and the PCs, the Liberals seem to be too conservative and the PCs too liberal. Makes you wonder if the past eight years of balanced budgets were really balanced after all. Another example of fiscal responsibility: Grant Devine.