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actually, I just got the sheet which tells where the class of 2003 is now at. 114 kids went to Ivys, that's more than 25% of the overall senior class. Would you still like to insult my school?

However, while djpark121 is true, do you want a disgruntled male who is pissed off by being harrassed on a daily basis, to go postal? Another colombine? It comes down to, how much are lives worth.

So? Bush made comments refering to Christanity. Does that mean everything Bush does reflects on Christanity? LOL: Just TRY answer that without making yourself look foolish. It may come as a suprise to find out that the Islamic world was flourishing when the rest of the world was in the dark ages. The Islamic world was hundreds of years ahead of the West. The Islamic world have inventions that the rest of the world had to either trade for or steal. They will come out normally. Children living in a "family" where both parents are the same sex come out fine, well according to a Time magazine last year. Also, science is leaning towards that gay males are genetically prediscrbied that way. You don't simply choose. Homosexuality has existed since the Ancient Greeks. (sappho anyone? Homosexual relations between a older man and a pre-adult male?) There it was seen as normal for men to do such. During the Renissaince it was essentially the same for males, as long as they were not the same age.

I'll add: US gives between 15-20% of its GDP away as foreign aid. US dismantled many bases in Europe US stops strong arming countries to do its bidding. US starts following International law US backs the UN fully US starts using renewable resources US shuts down FOX news.

get rid of the followers of wahhabism. That will solve some problems. Then stop using expliotation. Making bono a presidential adviser would help alot too.

Fastned, what do you not understand about the connection of American patriotism in its regard to American arrogance? Americans were nationanlistic more than Patriotist after 9/11. You are confusing the two. it's garbage because it's true? When millions die all over the world to horrible causes, America does NOTHING. it gives a rip. Americans' couldn't care less of thousands of people are dying to conflict, disease, diasters. However, should a meager 2,600 americans die, America more or less demands everyone do something about it. The US bribes, strong arms, and heavy handily does whatever is necessary to get people to avenge american lives, all while ignoring the thousands that have died without US help. Look at Liberia. Rwanda. Kasmir. The entire African contenient. Now please prove to me that America does not think that an American life is worth more than any other. If that was true, foreign policy would be vastly different then it is today. At least you can recognize you are ignorant on somethings. I am too. I have no idea how theortical quantam physics work. Or how to apply superstrings on a large scale. Or why a quantam singularity reaction produces no net molecuarly byproduct. Please study the general history of America. And the history of major losses of life. Notice the two rarely come into contact. Unless there is a handsome profit to be made, usually at the cost of lives to the non-americans. So, America has NEVER, EVER, EVER done ANYTHING to the middle east to warrant ANY hate? Please answer that question. (hint, this is how you win a debate, give them two choices, one where they must agree with you, and thus disagree with their argument, or show that they are ignorant and stupid and know nothing about their subject) I was born in America. I go to a private high school that is in the top 5 in k-12 schools in the nation. The teacher that teach at my school have won awards that few COLLEGES can say their staff has. www.punahou.edu I know of a few people that went to my school that were killed in the attack. Have you ever thought that your loss is clouding your judgement? 17, and I've read the book, "the lies my teachers told me." Need i say more? You sound like you believe everything that comes out of the Bush propaganda machine. Hugo: American industrial might was built on the backs of slaves. Check out the slave reparation cases. France anyone? Na, let's forget ALL about them because they didn't support this war. France didn't help the colonies during the revolution war. France never gave ANY support. Their fleet didn't stop the strongest navy in the world. Their munitions or money didn't help the colonies at all. Let's simply forgot that shall we? Read "the best democracy money can buy." Then you see what has been hidden for years. As well as "lies my teachers told me." American companies and the government have reamed country after country all in pursuit of the bottom line. Slavery is honest way of succeeding? Japan is/was footing the bill for most of the peacekeeping and conficts America does. Also that non-agression part in the consitution kinda prohibits doesn't it? America gives less than 1% of it's GDP away as foreign aid. Northern Europe gives awar betwen 20-35% and no one hates them, yet they are as industrialized as the US. Then I am calling you one ignorant to the past of America. You can call me all the names you want, but it is solely up to you to find about what America has done to the world. That is, if you think slavery is proper. Apparently, many pro-American people think that America is noble. In a recent poll on "what the nation thinks" (a uk site that is)68% thought America and noble should never be in the same sentence. That is out of 150+ people. Out of a another poll whether Americans are informed or not, 98% thought Americans don't catch up with ANYTHING. That's over 300 pollers. I am inclined to believe. Few people at my school (which sends 50-70 kids a year to IVYies or close schools like Cornell, out of a class of 400) read the newspaper, online news, or any other source of relaible media. Hardly. Britain was too weak to win, but too strong to lose. The brits could not fall under the evil of Hitler, They were too strong. For that I give them endless props.

However, he will use them should he be facing the military might of a combined of South Korea, Japanese and American taskforces. Would you use a weapon if no one was threatning you? Or would you use a weapon if you were facing sheer destruction? However this matters little. The US will not attack North Korea. China, Japan and South Korea wouldn't let us.

FastNed: Not every Muslim or Arab wants America destroyed. However, if you kill their friends and family off, they will eventually. Then you will have to kill them, which will piss off their family and friends, who you will then have to kill, which will then piss....you get the idea. Eventually, your method will atone to genocide. You seem to think that killing off one's best friend of father won't aggravate them at all. So thus, in your view, all Muslims are supporters of terrorism? So thus, you must get rid of ALL muslims? How is that NOT genocide? So every Muslim is now like Hitler? You do understand that most, if not all of the hijackers were followers of the extremist version of Islam. They read from a book written decades of years AFTER muhammad's death. Now, how can they be believers in something that the Prophet did not preach? It seems the right-winged posters CONDONE genocide. You would rather kill them ALL OFF then think of an alternative. That's worse then letting thousands die because you can't swallow your own pride. You can easily switch that around. America is swinging its military around recklessly. The terrorists are trying to bring down the government that supports the reckless use of force. Mr Farrius has a very good point. You are considering genocide. To even THINK about using that drops you to a level lower then the most horrible, hate filled terrorist. You mean wahhabism. There is a very big difference between the two. Please reserach wahhabism before catergorizing Islam as the enemy. Because it doesn't need to be mentioned. First of all, there are around 100,000 followers of wahhabism. There are around 1.2 BILLION followers of Islam. Now the terrorists are talking about killing around 280 Million Americans. What you crazy right-winged genocidal bent people are talking about is killing 1.2 BILLION muslims. Where the vast majority don't support the extremists. http://www.jannah.org/popstatistics/muslim...impopworld.html www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/6596-4.cfm

Define "omnipotent" Have you even spoke to a Russian that understands nuclear weapons in warfare? First of all, what does a irrational leader, with no regard for his people, with barely anything of signifigence to lose, who is already oscrtized by the world, have to lose from destroying the center piece of American military projection? You think Kim Jong II is rational and takes MAD into his battle plans? The only way to stall America is to bring a nuke. The Russians were planning for nuclear war. The cold war turned hot between the two superpowers would go nuclear soon. American surface seapower would quickly be destroyed by Soviet submarine forces armed with nuclear tipped missiles. The submarines escorting ships into cuba were armed with nuclear torpedos. If they wanted to, or were willing to risk it, the blockade would quickly have fallen apart. However, the Soviets were far more rational then Kim Jong II. That is why you and I are here talking about this. If the they were as irrational as him, we wouldn't exist. (not that we exist anyway, since nothing can ever be truely proven). Right...because 37,000 US troops can simply WALK into North Korea, take over the artillery in 5 minutes, locate every battery, stop every salvo...No. Artillery cannot win a war. It can however, cause massive amounts of damage. You seriously understiamte soldiers who believe they are the best, are brainwashed from day one, and are willing to sacrifice anything for their leader. Yes, the US will win the war. However, the costs will be astronomical. Millions of lives, billions of dollars, huge damage to economies in that area....I never said the US won't win. It seems you are brainwashed with the idea that America is omnipotent. No army is ever omnipotent. You seem to think that America might can simply do whatever, without any consequences and that we can simply just stroll in without firing a single bullet. Isreal is near the level of the US. Look at how much problems they have. Taiwan is reaching the US in advance tech. Japan is almost to the US's level. No one in their armies believe they are omnipotent.

Hey, know what's cool? We can invade ANY COUNTRY, you want diamonds, let's take over congo, you want oil? Saudia arabia's next! Tired of expensive electronics, let's attack japan! In today's age, we can attack ANYONE and say they were harboring terrorists, or had WMD. You don't need ANY proof, you want resources, all you need to say is, WMD! and we can attack! cool eh? We have entered the age of shameless resource warfare.

Then you are truely arrogant and ignorant Fastned. Your inability to see beyond America's borders is only bringing more hate. "They miss the point, we really don't care how significant the World believes our loss to be, what is critical is how important it is to us!" "And that is another reasons Americans are arrogant. Shall we simply ignore 50,000+ dead in Kashmir? Or how about thousands starving to death every day? Or the comming hand of Death in Africa? 2,900 is a very insignifigently loss." Now...if you don't understand that, your critical thinking skills are non-existant. You arrogant Americans think that a American life is worth more an any other nationality. We are all human. It doesn't matter what you are. A life is equal to another life. American policy treats all non-americans as subhumans. Look at history. You call my posts garbage because they transcend your level of thinking. Nice insult to english departments around the world. Yes, let's insult every literature piece, every classic all because they are nonsense! Idiot typical American.

MAD doesn't work with irrational leaders with hardly anything to lose.

You're assuming carriers will still be there. Ask the Russians how easy it is to destroy a carrier group. Their cold war stragetegy revolved around nuclear weapons on subs. Carrier groups are pathetic. One nuke and your tactical strike force is GONE. I've personnal spoke to a Russian submarine sailor. He knows how easy it is. Carrier groups are fundementally flawed aganist that sort of attack. North Korea can easily take that method and use it, and you can say goodbye to 72 planes, 5000+ sailors and billions of dollars of equipment. OR they could use a backpack method. I'm sure you know what that is. All North Korea has to do, is launch 100-200 missiles. Only one needs to armed with a warhead. It doesn't even have to hit. A premature explosion is perfectly acceptable. There goes your ability to launch from carriers. Kadena will be tapped. However, to take out artillery at the same time as AAA positions, you're going to need alot more fighters has. What? 12-20 B2s? Yes, because those can destroy THOUSANDS of artillery in one pass! lol. NO. B-1bs? Possibly, but we still don't have enough. B-52s are by no way an acceptable combantant here. While North Korea's airforce (which is in worse shape then China's) will be destroyed, this isn't Kosovo. Air power will not win this war, or save Seoul. Yes, the US will win. However, you're missing alot more of the economic consequences and politic stances at the moment. Say goodbye to South korea. We won't have them as a trading partner for years. Japan will undoubtably be damaged, possibly to a severe level. China will see a exodus the likes the world has never seen. Manchuria will have economic problems dealing with that many refugees. That will delay China's growth, further delaying the world economy's return from recession. Japan wants a divided Korea. Korea is the dagger pointed at the heart of Japan. They want the hermit kingdom divided. China doesn't want a pro-US country on its border. However, China will not start a war on that. China cannot even take Taiwan, much less the US. "Don't forget the factor of the NK regime itself. Once it looks like NK stands a chance of losing (which won't take more than 5 minutes), expect mass desertions." Define the terms of "isolation" and "Brainwashing" before you keep typing. "North Korean soldiers are conscripts, drafted against their will in most cases, and are therefore inexperienced and ill-motivated. They are serving a brutal regime that has tortured and killed many of their fellow countrymen and that now expects them to give their lives to protect it." Not all are conscripts. Many see the army as a way to feed themselves, their familes, and a steady paycheck. The North Korean army is decently trained, thanks to Chinese officials. Many of their soldiers believe that their goal is to serve Kim Jong II with their lives. They believe that South korea belongs to them. They are far different then Iraqi conscripts. You understatimate the power of brainwashing and isolatonism. Many of the troops, well COs are waiting for war. If the communist chinese (who i have talken to recently) believe their state propaganda, imagine how much the people of N. Korea believe of their propaganda. Remember that China is relatively open to the world. N. korea isn't. Have you ever taken courses in social science and sociology? You still haven't answer the question of how you destroy thousands of artillery pieces in 5 minutes. Please look up the terms of "brainwashing," and "isolationism" before posting again.

Um, the Jews and America are very different. America imposes its view, often by force on every one else. People just hate jews, that's happened since the beginning. They've been the pariahs of society. Pariahs and arrogant force users are extremely different. the 2,900 people that died were not all American. A good portion were foreign nationals. However, you are missing the point. The people who died are insignifigent in the grand picture. It is WHY it happened that means anything. ".(Not that being really mad about something gives you the right to kill people)" America believes that, and it acts on it. Libya? "They did it out of jealousy" You really believe that? So America has NEVER, EVER, EVER done ANYTHING bad to ANYONE in the middle east? They've NEVER done ANYTHING questionable in 200 years? That's BULL. If you believe that, kill yourself, you are wasting precious resources. "They did it because they wanted their religion to reign supreme." Right.....these are Saudis, not insane Iranian mullahs. "Because I love my country does not give them the right to kill me because they love theirs. Now they have forced us to go over there and in trying to kill them before they can kill us, innocent people are dying." Um....you have no concept of History do you? Can you even think of one non-progandist reason for why 9/11 happened. You have proven one thing Nuclear, Americans haven't learned a darn thing since 9/11.

"proof exists that an ideology which fuses state and church together and which is ruled by power hungry hypocrites preaching blood and sword is peaceful" Um, Iraq was more or less a secular state, if you haven't noticed (hint, DON'T WATCH US News networks) Iran follows that description, well the leaders do. The youth want a secular democracy. yet the Us doesn't free them? (perhaps because they have less oil?) lol. Have you even READ part of the Koran? It seems all you know about Islam is what Fox news tells you. (yes, because that source is not at all, in ANY way Biased!) If you can't tell, i'm mocking you. Every religion, except for Buddist and Daoism, has commited atrocties. Every religion except for those who, is violent. Don't give me that crap that Isam isn't peacefully. I bet the religion you follow is/was violent. Islam has the burden of being the violent religion for the time. Christianity had it's time. Judisam as well. Catholcism too. America will fall before Islam does. That is for sure. She will waste her resources, lives, allies, and dignity fighting a war that can never be won through violence.

it is possible to be a patriot and humble. However, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a nationalist and humble. Lack of humility will get us all killed. Thanks Nationlists. Their slogan should be, "I don't care about the consequences, I WANT IT MY WAY NOW!"

Hugo, then you lack much knowledge of military strategy if you believe North Korea will fall that easily. Iraq's army is better compared to China's. Iraq's artillery lags signifigntely behind North Korea's. Iraq's troops train far less than N. Korea's. Iraq's troops are not brainwashed into thinking they will win. Iraq's troops are far more exposed to the world than N. Korea's. Iraq's terrain is nothing like Korea. If you believe that the same strategy used in Iraq will work in North Korea, you are asking millions of people to die in a foolhardy, reckless attack. "Once the assault got underway those defences promptly collapsed. Iraqi air defences and air forces were obliterated within hours and Coalition aircraft flew virtually unopposed" Iraqi air defenses were situated mainly over the cities. Korea's air defenses are spread out into more workable, less confusing fields of overlapping fire. Also, since N. Korea obtained relatively new AAA pieces from China, and tecniques used to detect stealth are rapidly being produced, American Airpower cannot succed how it did before. You, like many Americans who believe in omnipotence, forget MANY things that will factor in. North Korea's special operations forces will change the war considerably. Extreme amounts of artillery will rain fire and brimstone worse then armaggedon. 1.1 MILLION troops will rush from the North (after they get rid of all those land mines) aganist the ROK defenses, that is after those defenses have been hit with several salvos from thousands of artillery pieces. NUKES. Should N Korea face defeat, the most irrational leader in the world will surely let one fly. Launching several hundred missiles at one target, only one with a war head is required. No defense force can stop that many missiles. Besides, all they would have to do is airburst it. Say good bye to a division or two. Or Tokyo. If you are going to compare Iraq's army to anyone, compare it to China. China is essentially a huge iraqi army in equipment, training, and thought. If what you say is true, why hasn't the US invaded, if it would be THAT SIMPLE? *bangs head aganist the wall

Americans cannot think for themselves. If that was possibly, 9/11 would never have happened. Yet they think they are the smartest people in the world. It will be amusing to see if the truth ever dawns on their faces.

Craig Read: So, all of this hate is independet of America? lol....

Dear Fastned, "They refuse to recognize that there is a cure for terrorism as old as mankind. To cure it, you kill all those who breed terrorists and let God sort them out. " You propose GENOCIDE. You'll end up killing everyone in the middle east. Kill one, you make their relative who is a moderate a extremist. The US is doing this NOW. Arabs who supported the US now see iraq and dispise the US. Some enough to act aganist it. There will come a time where to fulfil your plan, you will have to kill every Arab and many muslims. The Palestines want their land and diginity back. Can you blame them for fighting for that? They want their freedoms that Isreal took away. Anywhere else that would be called freedom fighting. Have you spoken to Middle Easterns about this? They say, anytime a European or America fights back, it;s freedom! When a arab or a muslim does it, its AUTOMATICALLY terrorism. Sadly, I must agree, it happens, and that labeling is wrong. Get rid of the militant groups like Hamas, who's goal is complete destruction of Isreal. That group will not help. However, getting rid of all the plastines is not the answer. War is rarely the answer. WW II yes, Kosovo, Yes, Iraq? NO.

Craig Read: Japan's military is also on par with America's. Except they understand the true consequences of agressation. America does not. China fears Japan's military. China's military is offensively pathetic. It cannot even take Taiwan without nuclear weapons. Every jet on the southern region will be destroyed upon takeoff. Every warship will be hit with salvos of anti-ship missiles. Every invasion force will be repeled. China's military is large. That's ALL it has going for it. Only Russia and the US have transport capabilities. No one else has. It helps when you operate the largest cargo planes in the world (the russians that is) Why does Canada need a military? No one wants to attack Canada. Besides, why do they need a military when their puesdo-half-sibiling can do it for them? Besides, militaries are expensive. Why spend all the money on something you will rarely use. "The world is at war. Either you understand who your friends are or shut up" America HAS NO FRIENDS. Even Japan is weary of supporting the US. Kuwait is starting to turn aganist the US. The closest thing the US has that resembles a friend, is Iran (the youth support the US heavily). Everyone that went was bought with cash. Even that was not enough for turkey. The US has given EVERYONE, except the brits the cold shoulder. Now you think everyone wants to support the US now? That's SHEER ARROGANCE. Is everything black and white in your world?

Craig Read : Do you believe that America doesn't deserve ANY of the hatred that is comming its way? Nuclear: Who do you trust with a WMD more: A shrewed, brutal dicator, or a shoot first ask later, to hell with our orders, trigger happy president who needs an excuse to get the public's mind off the horrible economy? And as my Philosophy teacher says, "When your argument is weak, INSULT SOMEONE!"

An assault upon North Korea would be a picture of hell on Earth. North Korea has THOUSANDS, i mean THOUSANDS of artillery able to hit Seoul. Seoul's current population is around 17 million. It takes less than 5 minutes for a rocket to travel 37 miles. Now times that by 10,000 rockets in salvo. Seoul will CEASE to exist, along with thousands of troops along the DMZ. Ignorant Americans who think America is omniponent, believe that American air power can destroy that many artillery pieces. They simply ignore the huge anti-air net that covers most of North Korea. The US does not have the number of Stealth Squadrons necessary for this tactic to work. The US has less than 2 fully operation B-2 Spirit Bomber squadrons in service. The number of operational F-117 Stealth Fighter, AKA "Wobbly Goblin," squadrons cannot fill the gap. The fighters themselves do not carry enough ordance to do signifigently damage. To do this tactic, Kadena's wing would be required, every carrier in 5,000 miles would be needed, airwings across the nation would be needed...we simply cannot do that: Or afford the loss of manpower from hundreds of planes being destroyed. The US has 37,000 troops literally on the DMZ. They are nothing but "speed bumps," as the first troops into Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield liked to call themselves. The ROK is one of the most advance military forces, but its active forces are signifigently less than the 1.1 million man North korean Army. Much of that 1.1 million army is spitting distance from the border. that army includes 100,000 north korean versions of the Army Ranger. The damage that many special forces flooding South Korea and Japan could cause is unimaginable. Armor is not a signifigent factor. The terrain of North Korea is heavily mountinous. This isn't rolling deserts. There is a huge contrast from wooded, hilly terrain and endless desert. This war will be infantry based. NOT FUN. This ALL without nukes. Should North Korea release one....everything's on a new playing field. Let's hope it doesn't come down to that.

you're Canadian....that's EXTREMELY interesting that you share sentiments that would label you as an American. Thank you for that insight....

Neal.F.: Does every country that disagrees with America need to be invaded? Americans love to disagree. Yet, when another country disagrees they instantly throw insults, condemnations, threats...whatnot. You can disagree, but they can't? how does that work? Drop the double standard, it's only going earn you more hate.