M.Dancer
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Btw, what's holding this whole show together - this cyclic treadmill?
Four elephants? One on each corner of the universe?
Obviously that is a question for Creation Science.
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I have to admit....so close to the election and I am undecided. I do not like McGuinty...I do not know Hudak...
A few more moves though like the recent Liberal rent hike...and my decision may be made.
but then there is this gem....
Problem is, I vote for a party or a candidate, not against .....
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Then you are in denial when it comes to Canada's actual "middle power" status and complicity post WW2.
too vague....status and complicity post suez crisis...before then we were a solid middle power...after that...decline and world wide indifference.
For the record, the Americans helped Canada develop those desirable resources with big time capital investment, along with a the biggest market in the world.And we thanked them by closing down the VSE...much to the delight of honest investors and mortification of stock promoters everywhere....
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I have watched the show maybe 6 times. At best, it has been amusing, but more often than not i find it somewhat of a cringing embarrassment. Just not my cup of tea.
The comedies on my watch list are Modern Family, 30 Rock, Parks and rec
on the otherhand...
i prfer this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p00h3q9f/mj_delaney_justin_bieber_barbershop/
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That is my point. No one who wants to leave this country is going to care what a piece of paper says. Dancer thinks they will though, you know just like the Americans when the British told them they couldn't.
You still playing stupid? You know the clarity act isn't about forcing a province to remain in Canada, yet for some strange reason known only to yourself, you play dumb about that.
Great Method acting by the way!
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I will say this one last time. Clarity is not part of the Constitution of Canada.
Good for you. Do you have any more irrelevancies? Do you wish to cite the Clarity act again to show how different we are from the US?
I will only say this once.
Aboriginal peoples are part of the constitution.
Thanks for coming, you have been a good sport. Better luck next time.
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Got it because I don't think a Law which makes it so 7 provinces which represent 50% of the population can all vote to not let a determined peoples leave a country I must not know what the Clarity act is about. Again that is the portion which most take issue with. Not that part that the question should be clear or that a clear majority which represents all peoples of the region should agree to leave.
If that is the case, why did you cite it in a post? Do you have no respect for the Constitution? Because what you are saying is, the constitution is worthless, can be ignored and shelved.
Is that just your opinion or the opinion of the NPD?
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He clearly advocates stopping Equalization payments and "letting the courts" decide if it is legal and if it isn't then Alberta has the money to pay.
I take then you have not heard of the opting out formula
It is quite obvious this to anyone who has read the Equalization part of our constitution that this advocating against the intent of Federation.
And you include yourself in this erudite group? Can they explain the Clarity act and its purpose to you? you?
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I don't accept the premise because I live in the real world. You can not keep a population which is determined to leave a country in a country with a piece of paper. You can do it with guns and blood. I guess in your world America still belongs to Britain right?
Then you acknowledge you don't know what the clarity act is about..
Fine...I accept your ignorance of the act, and your including it in a post to differentiate ourselves from the US, as part of the real world.
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Where you supported Harpers Firewall letter which clearly does not support the Equalization section of the Constitution. Unless do you want to make it clear right now you do not support Harpers past stances on Alberta with holding Federal payments which are clearly laid out in the Constitution. If so and you think Harper's past was just as bad as the NDP leaders please come out and say and we will move on.
So among the other things you wish to itemize as not knowing about is the constitution? There is nothing in Harpers letter that would violate the constitution, but of course you know that....but being the type of person you are...you would rather be dishonest about it.
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Yah gotcha. Never mind speaking of realities and international law we would rather talk about the Clarity act. Again if the majority of some population is determined to leave a country no piece of law is going to stop them. Guns might stop them but some law wont and this is the reality you ignore.
If we want to really get into it, Canada is not like America because we are a Confederation where all provinces can leave any time under the Clarity act and before that could leave with a simple vote. That is neither here nor there though.
Care to make up your mind? Do you support the clarity act and its purpose, do you understand the piurpose of the act or do you understand the act and not support the act.
You can have time to contact your handlers if you think the question is too hard.
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Again tell me how you keep a population which is determined to leave a country in that country?
And again, I am not interested in the things you don't know about....or a question that has no bearing on the purpose of the Clarity Act.
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However if Quebec has the self-determination to secede then how do you expect Canada to stop them?
I wasn't asking you to itemize the things you don't know, but to tell me the NPDs position on the Clarity Act.
Too late...
NDP leader Jack Layton reopened the unity debate Friday by promising to repeal the federal Clarity Act and recognize a declaration of Quebec independence if sovereigntists win a referendum.
http://regina.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20040529/layton_quebec_040528?hub=TorontoNewHome
If we want to really get into it, Canada is not like America because we are a Confederation where all provinces can leave any time under the Clarity act and before that could leave with a simple vote. That is neither here nor there though.
So oh maven of all things Canada....if Jack repeals the clarity act, will we be more like americans?
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No one thinks or has the position that Quebec can unilaterally secede from Canada.
The NDP and the PQ do...
The NDP recognizes as well that the right to self determination implies that the Assemblee Nationale is able to write a referendum question and that the citizens of Quebec are able to answer it freely.The NDP would accept a majority decision (50% + 1) of the Quebec people in the event of a referendum on the political status of Quebec.http://www.pierreducasse.ca/IMG/pdf/Declaration_Sherbrooke_ENG_V2.pdf
Clarity Act.
House of Commons to consider whether there is a clear will to secede2. (1) Where the government of a province, following a referendum relating to the secession of the province from Canada, seeks to enter into negotiations on the terms on which that province might cease to be part of Canada, the House of Commons shall, except where it has determined pursuant to section 1 that a referendum question is not clear, consider and, by resolution, set out its determination on whether, in the circumstances, there has been a clear expression of a will by a clear majority of the population of that province that the province cease to be part of Canada.
Factors for House of Commons to take into account
(2) In considering whether there has been a clear expression of a will by a clear majority of the population of a province that the province cease to be part of Canada, the House of Commons shall take into account
(a) the size of the majority of valid votes cast in favour of the secessionist option;
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the percentage of eligible voters voting in the referendum; and© any other matters or circumstances it considers to be relevant.
Poor Punked...Federalist In Name Only
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It is the same as most on the supreme courts and the international courts. No law passed with out the input of or agreement of the people it targets is going to stop those people from doing what they think is right. Why does that not make sense to you? All provinces joined Confederation under the idea that they may if they so choose, then you change the rules on them with out telling them? Sounds kinda unfair. Lucky for Canada and Quebec that we have worked well together and both populations are happy with our system eh?
I can certainly underestand why you would not want to talk about the NPD's position on the Clarity Act, given all the bullshit you have been spewing about 'federalism'..
So I will help you out.
The NPD are against it. They believe Quebec can unilaterally secede from Canada. So do the separatists.
The NPD, like the BQ, are FINO.
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I was making a point that you think a "Former" Separatist could never be a Federalist even though the Clarity act which you seem to be enamored with was written by a Separatist. You know I was just pointing more of your hypocrisy. What do we have so far? Oh yeah:
You don't actually believe in the Canadian Constitution
You support former Bloc members who are now Conservatives
You love the clarity act written by a former Separatist
I think those are just the ones from your last 4 posts.
Delusional much? Or have you decided to come unarmed to a battle of wits?
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You do know the Clarity act is not part of the Constitution right?
What is the NPD's position on the Federal law known as the Clarity Act?
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You also told me that you don't believe in the Constitution of this great nation of ours when I said the same thing.
Hold on...before I call you a liar and an idiot, be so kind as to quote where I said the above.
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Which one is the clarity act?
Was the question too difficult? Didn't get your talking points on that?
Never mind, the NPDs pandering to separatists is well known...especially in regards to the Clarity act you hypocritically brought up...
poor punked...
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. Next I believe in Democracy and following our Constitution as it was signed and voted on by the people of Canada. You are the one arguing against it. Well you and Steven Harper and his Alberta Firewall letter.
Interesting. So tell me about the opting out clause again....since you think you are a constitutional expert.
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If we want to really get into it, Canada is not like America because we are a Confederation where all provinces can leave any time under the Clarity act and before that could leave with a simple vote. That is neither here nor there though.
Kudos...you got something right. I have noted it on the calendar.
What's the NPD's position on the clarity act again?
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Why because I believe in Federalism?
Indeed. I prefer democracy...socialists...eh not so much, they prefer power, and the more centralized the better.
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I like living in a Federal state even if it is the weakest Federal state in the world. You however want it to be a Republic. Which is fine however you my friend are no Federalist. Join the Bloc they will forward your agenda.
Punked is making the classic mistake, as he often does, of not knowing wtf he is talking about. In this case, as opposed to all the others, is assuming that Federalism ( the political concept) and being a federalist (in the Canadian sense, opposed to quebec separation) are synonymous.
He seems to also be unaware that federalism and republicanism are some how, opposites. This will come as a surprise to american, who have a federal system and live in a republic.
Maybe punked should stick to explaining how the ethos and fibre of canada is expressed best by transfer payments and welfare...if only for the humour of it all...
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So you believe some provinces should have more and other less
They already do....
reality, meet punked, punked, meet reality
and that all power outside the Military should lay in the hands of the provinces?
What a limited mind you have...have you forgotten foreign affairs? Criminal law? copyrights and patents? fiscal policy?
No....your mind only sees what in fact are provincial obligation and you covet them.
You should join the Bloc you would fit right in because you are not a Federalist but than again most Conservatives aren't.
You should join the federal totalitarian party...
New leader of the NDP - A Sepratist?
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Then if that is the case, it is much like the ambiguous question of separation. How many thought that separation would mean automatic inclusion in Nafta? Or that their EI benefits and transfer payments would continue...?
Canada does not need an army to keep Quebec part of the family, just clarity on what succession would mean...something that separatists have done their very best at not doing.
The purpose of the Clarity act is to prevent a dishonest question, and given an honest question and a positive vote, to ensure that all stakeholders are at the negotiating table....which includes all Quebeckers, the other provinces and the aboriginal peoples.