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In before Michael complains about this thread, 5, 4, 3, 2, .... I consider myself a non believer so I'm not sure if I can shed any true light on this discussion but I look forward to seeing others debate - it seems like an interesting topic.

There's nothing to believe about him being a figurehead for the owners. That is by definition his job. He is the collective voice of 30 franchises. Anybody who believes he comes up with decisions and implements them based on his own accord is out to lunch. I'm not a Bettman fan by any stretch but he has done some good for the NHL and I can admit it despite being sour over numerous lockouts.

His father signed him (as well as his other brothers) up for AQ training camps. He moved him into a compound where he and his family lived with Usama Bin Laden. Or are you suggesting that Omar, as a six year old was able to travel freely and independently without cost between Canada, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Looking forward to it, thanks for all the continuous effort guys. One quick question, not sure if its easily implementable but when I drag my cursor over a thread on some invisionfree boards you can get a preview of what the first post is, in said thread. Possible to get that going on here or nope?

If you were a child who was forced to go overseas by neurotic family members and still a child at the time of your capture, yes I would support you. You are 18+ and go overseas on your own accord, your own free will.

When these witnesses use terminology like "probably" and "most likely" and "it was reasonable to assume", excuse posters like eyeball and I for being a little bit skeptical.

I'm not a Foreign Affairs minister, with that being said, we could have done more than we did, especially considering Optional Protocol that both America and Canada had signed 6 months prior to his capture. Maybe we couldn't have secured his release but lets keep in mind the USA "pawned" him over to us eventually and the Canadian Govt dragged their feet as long as possible before sticking him in Millhaven. Rehabilitation programs, certified doctors and support groups potentially with other ex-child soldiers with whom he could connect with on a certain level. But he wasn't the only "POS" alive as you so elegantly stated in point 2. Any person with a brain can realize the numerous inconsistencies. Have you ever considered the possibility of friendly fire? The US Govt would never cover up an instance of friendly fire though... would they? *cough pat tillman* If you bothered to read the links I posted you'd save me a lot of time from having to go back to them, reread and then copy and paste here for you but anyways, Nobody is claiming that Al Qaeda is as militarily savvy as the US is, they have way less technology, funding and are just rudimentary in the way they do things. I don't buy for a second here that when the IED's are planted by AQ that they are aiming to hit native Afghans (unless they were associated with the US soldiers) - its just the cost of war.. No different than the US targeting insurgents but killing woman and children in drone strikes, they both have "good" intentions so to speak. If he was over 18 at the time I doubt you would see as much grief for his case. I just don't think that we should have wrote him off early into his stay at GBay as children/teens who commit crimes can be rehabilitated under the right cirumstances, unfortunately for all of us sitting with radical muslims in a military prison probably wasn't the "right circumstances".

Why bother posting "link" if its just going to take me to Wikipedia? Yep, now I'm convinced.

I believe the reason that the current media consortium that had the previous two Olympics didn't even bid this time was because they lost money, and one of the Olympics was IN Canada. It's not an actual bidding process unless there are two competing entities. In this case I believe the IOC just named their price and waited for a network to come along, if two of them came they probably would've raised the broadcast rights until one of the competitors bowed out. The CBC is where the Olympics should be though IMO, they broadcast lots of amateur sport year round, I think their experts and viewpoints are more interesting to people who don't have a grasp on most of the Olympic sports.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1264831--justin-trudeau-to-kick-off-liberal-leadership-campaign-in-quebec-b-c-and-ontario Getting to see some of the leadership platform now.

The US also signed the agreement. Ottawa could have put some pressure on at the time of his capture, they were notified 10 days after. Instead they decided to be complacent, and when they were tired of being complacent they decided to interrogate Omar themselves all while violating his charter rights, but I digress. Where's your misinformation coming from? source: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/300329 You can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, you CANT pick your family. By that definition drone strikes should be considered terrorism, they are targeted to hit "insurgents" yet many civilian casualties are hit. Posting a piece of the Neil Macdonald article that I think sheds a little light on the situation,

Canada failed to up hold its agreement to an international treaty, as was covered earlier in this thread. I'll repost it for the benefit of yourself and anyone else who may have missed it

His brother (Abdurahman) was older when he he split from the Khadr clan then Omar was when he was captured. Abdurahman attended numerous AQ training camps, including bomb making, hand to hand combat as well as sniper training. His father signed him up for these. It was just after 9/11 when the US invaded Afghanistan that Abdurahman was split from the Khadrs and was rounded up by NATO forces. There Abdurahman had time to reflect on what his father (tried to make him a suicide bomber) had been trying to brainwash into his head for so many years, he realized that he had valuable information and decided to turn "informant" for the CIA. He didn't choose to split from the Khadr clan, they lost track of each other in the melee that was the US led invasion. Omar/Abdurahman's father is now dead. Abdurahman lives in Toronto currently... Where's the rightwingers crying for his deportation?