Figleaf

Now that he has arranged to have himself cleared in HartGate by his pet police force, Stockwell Day would probably liked to be removed from further contact with the RCMP pension debacle. Look for Stock to be defence minister.

I'll 'fess up too -- I voted on behalf of Michael Bluth.

I remember watching a reel of politicians getting pied by entartistes. There were about a dozen of them, and Dion was the only one who jumped at the assailant with fists flying. There was no hesitation. He had to be grabbed and held back.

Why not get some data, eh?

There are many more lightbulbs than many other things. My incandescent bulbs come in recylclable paper packaging. And the bulbs themselves seem to contain no plastic. Flourseents come wrapped in plastic and each one has a huge lump of plastic for a base. They give crappy light. It doesn't start until half an hour after you flip the switch, it's flickery, and too blue. Fire: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/sto...-bulbsmoke.html The per unit shipping cost of one bulky clunky fluorscent has got to be at least 5 times that for an incandescent. But look, if people want fluorescents, I say let them have them. If they are better, surely everyone would switch on their own eventually, right?

I think I mean the child thinking she is doing the latter, but from the point of view of the law or society, doing the former sort of inadvertently. Imagine a kid who's brought up to believe that Freeman-on-the-land nonsense we saw on another thread. Such a kid might fall afoul of the law out of simple confusion.

What's it worth to Conservatives to see Harper's regime survive?

Good God... Look at what you're saying: A letter Day released, speaking for the RCMP who Day controls, exonerating Day, despite pristinely lucid evidence of a benefit being paid. Seriously, how can you not choke on the stench? And P.S. to Rue ... don't disrupt threads for your silly vendettas.

Using logic, it's clear which one is the most likely to reflect truth: Not Osama's propaganda. Not a coerced confession from the heart of the American gulag. The mostly likely to be true is the unguarded statement of someone reacting naturally.

The irony is that a large proportion of the income trusts were based in western Canada. They provided employment and knowhow at the highest levels of business management that will not be available in a branch plant economy. A transforming city like Calgary needed the income trusts for corporate heft. The Harper government betrayal has probably set the city back a generation.

Three letters. N E P You mean Albertans should support Harper so he can bring in his own version of the National Energy Program? I don't think that will sell very well.

I'm considering moving to Quebec so I can get a big fat slice of Alberta oil money.

Well they can just FLICK OFF then! http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=8805

(For the record, I'm playing devil's advocate just a bit here.) Disdain for the law is not simply confined to the realm of pure opinion. Particularly in dealing with children, whose image of society is perforce incomplete, it is very possible that teaching disdain for the law could lead to behaviours based on that disdain. Consider the libertarian who in the privacy of her home smokes pot and tells her kids that pot is okay. So far there is no particular state crisis, but if the kid acts on what the mother says rather than on what the law says, has the kid been well served by that kind of parenting?

Governments have been doing a really crappy thing to citizens for years now around 'green' issues. Citizens want governments to protect the environment we all share and ultimately derive our livings from. This is a perfectly reasonable desire on the part of citizens who want to go to their beach and actually be able to swim, or ride their bicylcles and actually be able to breathe, or who want their kids to someday see an elephant or polar bear in its natural habitat. But rather than responding sensibly to this perfectly sane desire of citizens with measures that work without disrupting lives and incomes, what do governments do? They consult industry groups who urge them to do nothing, and they impose feckless, usually punitive, measures on the individual. I begin to think it's deliberate... the message is don't push for green legislation 'cause every time you do we'll steal your time or ruin your comfort. This latest lightbulb punishment is about the most extreme I've seen in a long time. Look at the list of demerits and the policy becomes inexplicable: Flouresent lightbulbs: -contain poisonous mercury; -contain plastics made from non-renewable petroleum products; -give shitty light; -cause headaches and eye strain; -are dangerous fire hazards; -don't work with energy saving dimmers or some timers; and -are MUCH heavier so shipping them burns more fuel and thus produces more GHG. The governments (AND the silly environmentalists who've abetted them) should be ashamed.

Starting a discussion about religion with any form of 'respect' for its notions is practically impossible for someone who sees it for what it is -- superstitious bumf. It would be kind of disingenuous to start a thread with, for example, "Let us consider the merits of 'works' vs. 'salvation'...", when the ultimate point of the post will be to show both sides to be ludicrous.

Its a simple fact, that in their purported fight against Hezbollah, Israel deliberately targeted several elements of civilian infrastructure. The Beirut airport is a well known example. Since Im such a nice guy, Im going to point out that in that sentence the proper usage is biasED, with an ED on the end. And, Im not. That I dont know. Actually, I know why and how they have come to hold that viewpoint, but I think its a not a very viable objective, nor one I endorse. Sure I do, dont you? No, you wont hear me say that. Hezbollahs capture of the Israeli soldier did not start the war as that condition pre-existed the capture of the soldier. No, since I dont know who Samir Kuntar is. That sure does sound really bad. Actually, Ill tell you I had never heard of that before now. {At this point, I really wonder if there some point to this peculiar recitation of thing Rue is imagining I might say?} I dont see what pointing all that out would have to do with whether I am anti-Israel or not. Of course, whether I am anti-Isreal or not depends totally on what definition you apply to that concept. Well, I dont see what relevance any of the above had to do with the legal or strategic merits of Israels conduct in the last round of belligerence in Lebannon. Id like to learn more about that can you tell me where I can look into UNIFILs mandate? Even if I knew that, I likely might have felt it to be quite tangential and unimportant to the points I have been making. I wouldnt tell you that because thats not how those events unfolded as I understood it. But again, I probably would not have mentioned this matter anyway. This has gotten boring. Rue, why dont YOU just tell what YOU want to tell. I have no obligation to spread your irrelevancies and propaganda for you. Buzz off.

You think? Yes. You don't know sweal very well if you think not. What I mean by "this entire thread" is the initial post by sweal figleaf. Well, thanks a lot Charles Anthony, by asking me to start this thread you've probably lured me into becoming ScottSA's next victim for a campaign of abuse. BTW, doesn't that post above constitute a disruption of the thread?

You think? The answer is NO, the state should not intervene. The reasoning is simple: the state can not assume replacing all negligent parents. What would you have the state do? The reasoning you offer, that the state can't fulfill such a burden, is an incomplete answer because presumably the state could extend its resources to capture some portion of the more extreme cases. Thus, while the practical reason may limit state choices, it doesn't answer the principle side of the issue.

This situation is a true disgrace. The content of the fax could scarcely be more clear: 'My resignation was contigent upon this negotiation' IF the RCMP had this fax originally, how on Earth could they conclude that there was no cause for action??? NOW we have the RCMP, led by Stockwell Day, coming out and deciding not to investigate a serious allegation involving Stockwell Day! What is this, a fucking banana republic?

Or a pack of savage dogs.

No. Please stop disrupting threads.

What a neutral and moderate evaluation of both Chretien and Harper. And not a hint of any sense of the irony... :mystified: ANYWAY, yes, the Conservatives are committing suicide. Seriously, if you were in Alberta, what possible reason would there be to vote Conservative federally? Keen for another kick in the head, maybe.

No, it's not all about you, though a comment of yours did provoke this line of thinking. Charles Anthony expressed an interest in the general topic, so I posted this here. ? Well, welcome to the real world. Consider the examples of Islamic militants who raise their children to hate Jewish people. Or bigots here who raise their children to hate Muslims. Are these kinds of beliefs in the interests of the children, or society? What reasoning makes a space for these kinds of upbringing?

What do you think?