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I'd assume they were implying that Liberals don't support family values Which would imply that the Conservatives support "family values"? What's "family" in Islam? I'm assuming Muslim families in Canada have one man and woman with kids setup just like everyone else as polygamy is sort of illegal, I don't think I've heard of a muslim man in Canada with 5 wives or something like that, I've heard of some nut bars out in B.C. with that arrangement but i'm pretty sure they arent official legal marriages, just all of them "calling" him her husband. Family values under the current Conservative gov't fall under your run of the mill social conservative agenda which maybe the crowd of muslims might have in common with other social conservatives in Canada with the exception they go to Mosques

That's just ignorant and racist. Call me ignorant and racist. When Harper and Khan are standing in front of a Muslim crowd attacking the Liberals of not supporting "family values", what do you imagine they were implying? I'd assume they were implying that Liberals don't support family values

I'd say the act was a pretty clever thing done by the tories 1) He keeps a promise to Canadians 2) He throws a wrench into the Liberal fundraising machine Pretty clever way of getting votes if you ask me. Underhanded but clever. I think everyone here knows why the act is watered down. You can't blame the tories for other parties playing politics with this act.

But they get zero revenue and still have all the costs associated with law enforcement and prosecutions at the moment. They would definitley be better off having some revenue than none. And the costs associated with law enforcement and prosecutions of the next big thing... how easy it is for your average joe to grow pot. Cooking moonshine and growing pot are two different things. The government can't afford to compete with the grow ops already in place.

I don't really seeing a big rush. In 140 years that's two drugs legalized. Who knows what will come up 50 years down the road. A legalized, regulated and taxed pot industry would be a net contributor to Government coffers. Make driving stoned as serious an offence as driving drunk. No it wouldn't, it's much easier to make pot than it is to make booze. It's also easy to get. It wouldn't pay for the government to compete with pot producers, there would be a bootlegging dilemna that would rob the gov't coffers.

If pot's legalized, what's the next drug to rush in and take its place. It was booze, then pot, then ??? Keep it where it is, we don't need to waste the gov'ts time and taxpayers dollars on nonsense like this

It also creates 80,000 acres of aquatic ecosystem. Lots of wilderness in Canada, we can swing it.

Suppose I provide a link and the link comes from a source promoting the decriminalization of marijuana. Would you believe the statistics in the link? I think things regarding marijuana are fine where they are, it's cheap to get, not really enforced. Why should the gov't piss around after this. Why not decriminalize cooking moonshine? I fear if the pot laws are tampered with it will lead into escalation of more harder drugs wanting the same thing, harder drugs in pot's "place" would be catastrophic and I really don't want to be supporting junkies.

Except that the Canadians are smarter with their supply, they ensure there is one and at a reasonable price. To borrow an excerpt from my source, they don't have much of supply management. Their problem is an extreme lack of supply, and having to pay through the nose for it. I'm not sure what catastrophe happened there in that they have to import so much corn. If there was no natural disaster then we have a serious problem here. This is exactly what I said would happen. Now with Mexico importing their corn instead of growing it themselves, they are now paying for it. And there is nothing to stop that price from going up to such a high proportion. Had they been under supply management, they might have paid a little more for corn earilier on when it was cheap, but they would not have had to pay the huge markup with importing without competition. I don't think removing tariffs is going to help the price out too much. Remember with Quotas a producer has a maximum he can produce, but he also has a minimum. What has happened here is that the people were saying oh we don't want to pay this price for stuff we can make ourselves let's buy from someone else. Soon they are too reliant on someone else and the exporters are like hey we can charge a lot more for this, who do we have to compete with, they'll still pay. The mexican farmers lose, the mexican people lose, the mexican economy loses, the only winner is the exporter. Had they had supply management the mexican farmer would be able to make a living, the people would pay a fair price for food and not get gouged in the long run, the economy is more prosperous by having its money stay and not go to another country, the only loser is the exporter from the other country. Yes the biofuel industry creates a lot of demand for corn which increases the price. There is also a large demand for milk and our industry is responding. What if our domestic producers stopped producing because of imported goods at a cheaper cost, the demand is still high, what's to stop the exporters from jacking up the price with a lack of competition and a high demand? All I know is I don't want a situation like in Mexico do you?

timesonline WOW!!! and you wonder why I defend supply management.

I haven't really seen any evidence that the environment is being destroyed. That's because there isn't any. What is being destroyed are economies, while we see the beginnings of the largest left wing created genocide in history. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2544525,00.html Oh thank you for that link that is pure gold! You've touched on another point in another thread.

If Canadian police or the Canadian justice system tried to (without evident justification) pin a double murder on other visiting Mexicans to keep Mexican tourists coming to a "nice safe Canada", then I would say Mexican authorities should get very involved. Or if a Mexican tourist got beat up and killed in a Canadian parking lot and we covered up any evidence to that effect, instead saying it was an accident-hit and run, gee whiz anyways, we're so sorry but you know about drunken holidayers colliding with highway speed vehicles... so sorry. But, y'all come up here to nice safe Canada. Yep, if I were the Mexican's family I surely would want Mexican officials to jump in and get involved. The point I was trying to make is that the Canadian police force is not corrupt like that and would do a thorough investigation into the matter, I believe a lot of Canadians would be thinking it's none of your business and we're handling it, as are the Mexicans with this right now. Only difference, their police force is a joke. The sad part is what power do we have over a matter like this? We know that their force botched this investigation and the previous one. Will the killer and the accessories face justice? I don't think the RCMP can go down there and make arrests to the perpertrators and the police force that's covering it up. Canadian authorities can talk and talk all they want but in reality there is very little we can do and we're up to the benevolence of the Mexican government (i.e. we're screwed). Like I said before if this sort of thing is going to be happening to Canadians down there I believe it us up to the gov't to slam the Mexicans on the world stage, and then proceed on a horrific ad campaign about this hopefully resulting in slumping tourism revenue for mexico.

If this were to happen, what would be the practical consequences? How many unilingual french signs would have to be changed? are there any today? Would French-speaking students have access to a complete education system, from kindergarden to post-doctoral level, in French, as the Anglophones have in Québec? Would Francophones have garanteed access to health care in French, as the Anglophones in Québec have? In fact, I don't think anyone in Québec, except a few politicians out to get votes, would even talk about it, as such a law in Manitoba would change nothing to its present situation. There are a lot of francophones in Manitoba, there are a lot of bilingual signs, and francophone communities. That having been said they are fairly assimilated into the "English" Canada. No law would change my situation, but Pierre in St. Adolphe or Francois from St. Lazare might have something to say about it. At least though they have an opportunity to put up a sign in only french and not have to worry about prosecution. They do have access to education and health care in French.

I wonder what Quebecers would say if Manitoba passed a law that was like Bill 101 but switching French with English in the context???

You can pretty well forget about taking it up with the U.N. Canada's gutless feds probably won't have anything to do with it. In 1999 a United Nations tribunal condemned Canada for forcing one of its English speaking citizens in Quebec to take his human rights case to them, when it could have addressed the problem internally. The tribunal said that Canada is taking an UNDEMOCRATIC STANCE on minority language rights in Quebec. The tribunal was perplexed by Canada's lack of concern for HUMAN RIGHTS WITHIN ITS BORDERS after government appointed lawyers showed up at the tribunal and DEFENDED QUEBEC, yet it is a leading advocate of human rights on a global basis. The assault on the principle of 'Freedom of Expression' is another point to note here. UN Hmm. seems like these guys did pretty well

My thoughts are a few posts up. I'll say again what would you think if a Mexican was killed here on vacation, should there be Mexican authorities all over the place?

I don't know what the additional costs are of segregation units but I suspect it would be a lot. you suspect? oh. that's VERY convincing. thanks for that. Time to bring sweatshops to the Canadian prison system, the jails can make money and pay for it.

the same could be said about the other side of the spectrum, evangelical christians anyone? In my view they are as dangerous as muslims are portrayed to be. How many terrorist incidents have the evangelical Christian groups committed in the last decade? Well if you consider Iraq a terrorist incident then theres one. Ever here one of Franklin Graham's sermons...

Italians themselves will be the first to point out that the young kids full of testosterone are known to cause trouble at bars and clubs downtown Toronto. It was a concern by their city council saying 'people from outside Toronto from area's like WOODBRIDGE are coming to downtown Toronto clubs and starting fights. Making it unsafe. It's a know thing here in Toronto and with Italians. I'm from a Lebanese background. When me and my leb friends went out clubbing at that age in Ottawa, we caused trouble and got in fights. We were punks. The saying 'crazy Leb' doens't come out of the thin air. Those from the Ottawa area that go to clubs know what I''m talking about. Groups of Italians taht age from Woodbrige who go clubbing downtown are known to cause trouble. I've been to clubs more times than I can count. You don't go hitting on women and grabbing them - ESPECIALLY when you are in another country. You are asking for trouble. You don't go down to Mexico, meet with drug cartel, and say that you are interested in buying property to setup hotels. That is a sure fire way to get you killed. And in early posts, if ANYTHING, *I* was the one who was defending his family and critisizing our gov't for not even making a phone call to the family. It was *me* who has supported this guy the most. But does it suprise me that it was an Italian (wannabe) from Woodbridge who would do this outrageous things in another country at 19 years old? Of course not. I was one of them at one time so know a bit about these things. And as a side note, you aren't Italian, he was not Italian. You are Canadian with Italian bloodlines. Get used it. I have a Lebanese background, but am Canadian. I'm not racist for any people of Italian decent. I like them. They are hard working people that helped build Canada (unlike south asians and other immigrant-only groups who are just utilizing an over easy system (fact)). And I used to be one of the crazy locals at a bar who would chase guys like yourself and the woodbridge boys out of town for starting trouble. I can justify with the locals wanting to beat up DePrisco, beating him up. They should not have killed him that was low. The cops should not have covered it up that's not good either. This must not have been that big of a bar if the boyfriend had that much pull over there and could muster that much back up that fast. The small bars are the ones you DON'T mess around in.

CTV Not sure what "fisticuffs" means but if it means getting your ass kicked for screwing around then I definetely condone it. From the look of things their police force is a joke and its up to the Canadian MSM and government to call on it for the joke it is. There are many places to go and vacation at, if a message is sent that since your police force is a joke so your tourist industry will suffer, maybe they will fix their police force. Also one can't make the Mexicans stop commiting crime, if they want to live like wild animals there isn't much we can do about it. Just because we are Canadians in another country doesn't make us entitled to anything, we aren't diplomats.

Personally I believe that the mexicans should conduct their investigation with RCMP oversight. If the RCMP find something wrong or corrupt, they can make a public report and the powers that be in Canada can slam the Mexican police and government which in turn might hurt tourism. Other than that there's not a heck of a lot we can do. I will say this, if that bar was in Canada, they would be in some hot water. Now look at it this way, what if a Mexican who was vacationing at Lake Louise was killed at a nightclub in Calgary? I wonder what the response would be to that? Now I don't care if your pink blue purple or brown, one thing I learned growing up in Small town Canada is that when you go to a place that's out of your ''Territory" you better be ready for anything and treat the locals with respect. I've seen time and again back in the day young punks from across the border coming to the local bar, acting like tough guys, hitting on local girls with local boyfriends and time and again the young punks get their clocks cleaned out. Don't get me wrong, killing somebody is just plain wrong. I've also seen people from my town go somewhere else and the same thing happens to them. Just because you are a patron in a bar doesn't give you any special rights. Now I don't know enough of this case to put down any concrete judgement. Was the girl alone when he "picked her up" or was he being a smart ass and doing it in front of her husband? I don't know. Could the kid have realized he was in hot water off the bat and got the hell out of there or was he being tough? I don't know. The point I'm trying to make is that your safety at a bar or in another country is not guaranteed. It doesn't take much to cause trouble in a bar, trying to pick up someones wife is a good way to start trouble. How many people have been seriously hurt or killed at Canadian bars? Should we get all wound up because it happened in Mexico? I know for sure it could have just as easily happened here. I think Geoffrey has got it bang on here.

Just think of all of the money we would save if closed down the federal gov't and just let Americans run the country. Ensuring a place in the market for Canadian production is at least as important to Canadian sovereignty as having a well equipped military. Do you feel that way about the Canadian ag industry? Or about other Canadian industries against competition from other countries. The picking and choosing must end. I've been told time and agian on here if an industry is inefficient and needs the government to step in and bail it out, it should fold up and let a more efficient industry in which brings lower prices (this can be applied to any industry). If other industries are being muscled out due to more efficient foreign competition then the Communist Radio and Telecommunication Council should be disbanded and the CBC and other craptacular Canadian entertainment can go intovoblivian. Hell why we are at it lets remove copyrighting.

No it's not, if I can be like the other free market supporters, why should we support an inefficient industry, there is a wayyy better industry down south, and they can provide us with high quality entertainment for a fraction of the price. Just think of all the money we could save. I wouldn't worry since the Mosque airs on Wednesday now when Lost comes back on this show will be history.

It goes two ways. China is not pleased with the Canadian handling of this case. Does that mean they have a right to interfere in our justice process.The only thing the Canadian gov't can do is threaten to issue a warning to Canadian tourists about Mexico and the apparent incompetence of its police force. Or an ad campaign slamming mexico and its police force. A country like that will only take this issue seriously and fix it when its industry takes a nice hit and is embarrassed on the world stage.