gerryhatrick

Corbella discredited herself long ago. The CPC gave up, and that resonates with Canadians. Now their new "plan" turns out to not really be a plan at all, but a decision to strike up some new legislation after a year or more of consultations. This issue is a loser for them.

Who knows? What is it with Conservatives and sexual predation? They're all doing it, and the Pope wants to keep it a secret.

I did not imply that Israel is nazi Germany. So if Israe determines they did not commit any war crimes, you are satisfied that Israel did not commit any war crimes? Amnesty, for one, is there in all those cases you cite...reporting on the dissappearences and attrocities. Do you realize they publish a yearly report? It's quite obvious you have no respect for either organization I cited. You are no more left than my right shoe. People on the right hate international human rights organizations. There has never been a good one, in their view, and never will be. They ignore the fact that their own rightwing governments will cite these organizations as authorities when it's convenient to them. It's easy for them to condemn, but hard to talk intelligently about the reality of the work done by Amnesty. They have no idea, first of all, and secondly if they looked into it they'd realize the depth and scope of their own ignorance.

Israel is well-known for prosecuting their own war crimes. If these "two major human rights groups" have such evidence they should turn it over to the IDF. If proven, it will be dealt with, against the offending soldiers, harshly. You are repeating yourself and avoiding a very specific question. I'm sure Israel is well-known for prosecuting their own war crimes. That's really irrelevent though. By ignoring my questions I will assume your answers to my questions are no and no, respectively. It's interesting you put "two major human rights groups" in quotes. Yes, those are my words, I realize that....but since I've named these two groups for you, your quotes carry the connotation that you don't view Amnesty or HRW as credible. And you're to the left of center, huh?

If someone starts a question in a deposition with "is it possible" I object to form, saying "anything's possible". Alright then, I'll try again. Do you accept that Israel has been accused of war crimes by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch and do you lend any credence to those accusations whatsoever?

Hmmm Grehatrick. Yet again, baiting, insulting other posters and nothing is said. Seems to me that your special status on this board needs to be explained. Or is that too "weak-minded" of me? For God sake Ricki, in what way is this "baiting" or "insulting"? Telling someone they live in a dreamworld is an insult in your book? Do you really want the moderators running around clamping down on such mild stuff? You need to drop this bizarre victim act you perform with rule book in hand. Stop chastising the board admin and complaining about me getting "special status". It is in your mind.

I'm an extreme leftist and am supporting Israel. Is it possible war crimes were comitted by Israel, as two major human rights groups contend?

I didn't realize it was up to me to prove all the nutjobs wrong B Max. I would say it is up to you to see that your credibility doesn't suffer. You're living in a dreamworld. Am I to prove your ravings about Global Warming depopulation conspiracies as well? Wake up.

I didn't realize it was up to me to prove all the nutjobs wrong B Max.

Are you saying the figures she quotes from Environment Canada are inacurate? If so it should be fairly easy to show it. If not - then you're just farting into the internet. I'm saying she is routinely full of shit. Her word stands for nothing. She doesn't quote any figures, btw, she just makes a claim. If that claim is somehow represented by the Environment Canada website I will eat crow, but I won't waste my time trying to find support for claims made by her.

Despite overwhelming temptation, I have refrained from personal attacks on you. I am the last thing from having a "weak mind". It was not directed at you, and there is no shame in having a mind to weak to face the reality of Global Warming. As I said, it is an issue of some magnitude, overwhelming to some.

Don't quote Licia Corbella, she's a cartoon character. Go to the website and link those figures if you want to make waves there. Licia is ridiculous, and I won't waste my own time confirming that she's bullshitting yet again.

Thankyou for not rehashing your points. No links are necessary. All of that is understood by climatic scientists. It doesn't detract from the simple fact that Global Warming is happening and we're causing it. I find it humorous that the deniers insist on pretending that Global Warming and measures against it are some kind of leftist conspiracy. The inability to face the truth on this issue is sad, but perhaps understandable given the magnitude of it. It frightens people, and weaker minds are unable to face it.

All Conservatives are child molesters. Hey, if the shoe fits! And don't cry, prove me wrong!

So you're willing to spend tens of billions of dollars on a desperate effort to reduce Canada's emissions even though they are a drop in the bucket so far as Global Warming is concerned? That's your portrayal, not mine. And it's a dishonest one. The topic deals with the fact that Global Warming IS an important issue, and the Harper plan is criticised as not doing enough. That is the message Canadians see and understand.

Grehatrick is just a way of recognizing the special status you have on the board. In all cases if it wasn't an issue to you it wouldn't have been mentioned. Ok whatever. I just thought it was kind of dumb, that's all. Huh? You're a child.

Cyber & Argus, I find it very interesting that both of you had the same response to me. You both decided to accuse me of promoting some kind of fascist roundup or undemocratic coup. This in spite of me specifically citing November 7th as being the beginning of the effort to get rid of the rightwingers. And cyber I did answer your question. The first step is to get rid of rightwingers. I would label anyone unwilling or unable to recognize the reality of Global Warming and our role in it as a rightwinger. They have wires in the brain connected in the rightwing configuration. They need to be removed from government so that some honest action can occur. I realize you're also wanting to know what specific programs I would support in the Global Warming fight. Carbon tax would be something to explore. The oil sands output needs to be curbed somehow, but it needs to be enforced immediately. There should also be a huge push by our leadership to highlight, encourage, and reward individual efforts. Automakers need to be forced to make vehicles more efficient as well. They've been proven capable of it it elsewhere.

Since the environment is your #1 issue, please enlighten us as to what you think needs to be done. For starters, we'll need to get rid of the rightwing nutjobs in the USA, who do not treat Global Warming as a serious threat. A large part of that will be happening November 7th. Perhaps they can investigate Senator Inhofe for misleading the public on the issue of Global Warming. Second, we need to get rid of the rightwingers in Canada, who also treat Global Warming as if it's just a political issue to be danced around. If the actual "clean air plan" is as worthless as the leaked version, I suspect that will be happening next spring.

Queue up all the "oh Bob is HATED in Ontario" natterers. I've been predicting he'll be the Liberal leader, and I believe he'll make a good one. Detracters can yap about what made him unpopular in Ontario if they like, and they will obviously. Realisticly though what politician isn't going to have an unpopular period after upwards of what....25 years at the game? Talk about that ancient history if you like, but then don't complain when Harpers old rightwing quotes are thrown at you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war And breaking them is what is described as a "war crime": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime Hezbollah committed them as well, and all the same respected human rights organizations that have identified war crimes by Israel have also fingered Hezbollah. There's a rightwing political correctness that lashes out at the truth when it's applied to Israel, unfortunately. You know grehatrick you were being fair and reasonable until that last sentenced. Do you truly think this douible-standard only applies to conservatives? Wouldn't Jack Layton's support of Hezbollah be an example of leftwing political correctness lashing out at the truth? tsk tsk grehatrick you appeared to be having a good morning. What's with the name mispelling? It's not my real name, so you're not going to offend me if that's your intent. How did Jack Layton support Hezbollah? I didn't catch that. If you don't think there's a rightwing political correctness that's pervasive in Western society today then I guess we're just not on the same page. To me it's quite obvious that critisism of Israel, or almost any military Mid-East involvement by Israel or the West , is treated to a barrage of outrage. We have two dailies in my Canadian city, and they're both extremely rightwing in their editorials. Liberals are cut-and-runners, Israel is 100% right in everything it does, Stephen Harper is the second coming, Iraq is a great democracy movement, George Bush is a hero and Canadians are all anti-American. This is in Canada I see this constant stream. It's ok, because the truth always wins in the end, but this current rightwing political correctness is undeniable. Look at Iggy. He said Israel committed war crimes. What happened? Outrage. Shrill protest. Disbelief. Does any media outlet ask the question "What is he talking about? Let's go look at the case for what he's saying and report on it....". Of course not.

And what is the goal of these "green whack jobs"? Is it simply to take away your cheque book? Have they invented Global Warming simply to cause all the car manufacturers and oil companies to go out of business so that you no longer have a pay cheque? I'm not really interested in your conspiracy theories, but it's like a train wreck and I can't help but ask a couple of questions about it. The topic assumes that Global Warming is an issue, and quite obviously it is. Whether you're living in the denial dream world or not, Global Warming is undeniably an issue today that politicians are scrambling to either address or give the impression that they will address it. Given that, this sneak preview of Harpers plan does not bode well for the CPC. Nothing in the world would have guaranteed them a majority moreso than strong action on Global Warming.

Not really. The term "war crime" is quite clear. There are laws of war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war And breaking them is what is described as a "war crime": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime Hezbollah committed them as well, and all the same respected human rights organizations that have identified war crimes by Israel have also fingered Hezbollah. There's a rightwing political correctness that lashes out at the truth when it's applied to Israel, unfortunately.

Again, is it Israel's fault that the Hezzies hide among civilians? The answer to that is no. But the fact remains that war crimes were commited against Lebanon by Israel.

Partisanship aside, which would you prefer a politician to say: what gets them elected or the truth? Pretend it was stephen harper, would you want him to tell the truth or would you want him to say what will get him elected? Unfortunately that's our current reality....rightwing political correctness rules. Israel did commit war crimes in Lebanon, that is just a simple truth. Heaven forbid anyone say it though.

Give him a break, this is what he said "It's hard to make any judgements, since it's a month old draft." There is nothing negative in that statement. Other than that, he's simply reporting an article about how environmentalists feel. If you want to criticize anyone, why not criticize the environmentalists who are saying negative things about the plan instead? Don't sweat the trollers and baiters.