River_God

Can you believe that these guys at the Free Dominion. blocked my access to their forum? It only took 5 minutes. The site says that it only accepts pro-conservative discussion but it calls itself the Free Dominion. What a bunch of Twisted Double-Think Fascists. http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopi...p=604951#604951

Uh, maybe say he's changed his ideology? He hasn't said that. He obviously believes in what he believes in So you are saying that Harper hasn't changed which means that everthing in my first post is still valid. By the way neo-conservative and neo-fascist are two words for the same thing.

Harper's War in Iraq and Missile pseudo-Defence Shield would have cost Canada far more than any waste in Martin's govenment. Martin has payed down the debt 8 years in a row. If Harper is elected he will follow Bush's lead in driving the country to the brink of bankruptcy (Like Mulroney did before him)

RG what exatly would Harper have to do to *show he has changed his ideology* in your view? You tell me how Harper has changed BQ. He was still making neo-fascist speeches two years ago

You bet BQ. Guilt by Association plus guilty unless Harper can show that he has changed his ideology in the last 10 years. Harper does look kind of like a plastic-faced makeover candidate.

What is Stephen Harper doing at a super-secret Bilderberg meeting of the Western worlds central bankers, defense experts, press barons, royalty, prime ministers, international financiers, industrialists and government officials? The 2003 guest list includes names such as David Rockefeller, Richard Perle (Iraq war architect, key Bush pupeteer and self-proclaimed Darth Vader), Klaus Schwab (World Economic Forum), Henry Kissinger, the King and Queen of Spain, Paul Wolfowitz (another Iraq war architect and key Bush pupeteer) and a host of other bankers, corporate heads and royalty. Some Canadians in attendance included Conrad Black, Mark Steyn (National Post) Heather Reisman (Chapters-Indigo), Anthony Fell (RBC Dominion Securities) and Stephen Harper, Leader of the Opposition http://www.cfoss.com/harper.html Harper, Bush Share Roots in Controversial Philosophy http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2005/11/29/HarperBush What do close advisors to Stephen Harper and George W. Bush have in common? They reflect the disturbing teachings of Leo Strauss, the German-Jewish émigré who spawned the neoconservative movement. Strauss, who died in 1973, believed in the inherent inequality of humanity. Most people, he famously taught, are too stupid to make informed decisions about their political affairs. Elite philosophers must decide on affairs of state for us. Political philosopher Shadia Drury is an expert on Strauss, though not a follower. She was a member of Calgary's political science department for more than two decades, frequently locking horns with her conservative colleagues before leaving in 2003 for the University of Regina. Strauss recommended harnessing the simplistic platitudes of populism to galvanize mass support for measures that would, in fact, restrict rights. Does the Calgary School resort to such deceitful tactics? Drury believes so. Such thinking represents "a huge contempt for democracy," she told the Globe and Mail's John Ibbotson. Harper's 2004 federal election campaign run by Tom Flanagan was "the greatest stealth campaign we have ever seen," she said, "run by radical populists hiding behind the cloak of rhetorical moderation." In 2003, Harper delivered an important address to a group called Civitas. This secretive organization, which has no web site and leaves little paper or electronic trail, is a network of Canadian neoconservative and libertarian academics, politicians, journalists and think tank propagandists. (Why would Civitas not want to advertise their agenda on a website? Obviously because the public would not find any benefit in that agenda.) The state should take a more activist role in policing social norms and values, Harper told the assembled conservatives. To achieve this goal, social and economic conservatives must reunite as they have in the U.S., where evangelical Christians and business rule in an unholy alliance. Red Tories must be jettisoned from the party, he said, and alliances forged with ethnic and immigrant communities who currently vote Liberal but espouse traditional family values. This was the successful strategy counselled by the neocons under Ronald Reagan to pull conservative Democrats into the Republican tent. Movement towards the goal must be "incremental," Harper said, so the public won't be spooked. Regime change, one step at a time. =================== Did you know that Conrad Black (former owner of 3rd biggest media empire in the world, including the National Post and dozens of other Canadian newspapers) was working side by side with Richard Perle (architect of the Iraq Invasion, self proclaimed Darth Vader, and key pupeteer behind the Bush administration) Both of these guys are being indicted over conspiracies involving Hollinger International The amount of money stolen by Black and his cohort David Radler amounted to $400m, a staggering 95.2% of Hollinger’s net income for that period. Hollinger went from being an expanding business to becoming a company whose sole preoccupation was generating current cash for the controlling shareholders (This treasury plundering happened in the USA when the neo-cons came to power, and it will happen to Canada if Harper is elected. Remember how quickly Canada went into debt when Mulroney was elected?), As a result of his involvement on Hollinger’s executive committee, uber-neoconservative Richard Perle, ‘The Prince of Darkness’, sometime Chairman of the Pentagon Defence Policy Board, may soon find himself being fined 5 MILLION DOLLARS http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_N._Perle http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher...-th_b_9203.html Arianna Huffington ran for governor of California In 2003 but was defeated by Swartzenegger (another guy quoted as saying that 95% of the people don't know how to think and need to be told what to do) http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/black_conrad/ http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0...-146196,00.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Aug31.html They are part of the big drive to make an AU out of Canada and the US which would include creating a single currency http://www.ceocouncil.ca/en/north/north.php The US is a great country in lots of ways, but I don't want to get entangled in anthing that is going to be run by guys like Black and Perle (and Harper). ============= Stephen Harper QUOTES Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack o-n our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society... It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff. Whether Canada ends up as one national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion =========== Richard Perle QUOTES A year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush. Acknowledge that a more closely integrated Europe is no longer an unqualified American interest. But if the UN cannot or will not revise its rules in ways that establish beyond question the legality of the measures the United States must take to protect the American people, then we should unashamedly and explicitly reject the jurisdiction of these rules. Dictators must have enemies. They must have internal enemies to justify their secret police and external enemies to justify their military forces. Dictatorships start wars because they need external enemies to exert internal control over their own people. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Richard Perle National sovereignty is an obligation as well as an entitlement. A government that will not perform the role of a government forfeits the rights of a government. The same European governments that hesitated to confront terrorists were more than prepared to oppose us. There is no doubt that, with the exception of a very small number of people close to a vicious regime, the people of Iraq have been liberated and they understand that they've been liberated. We must do our utmost to preserve our British ally's strategic independence from Europe. We should force European governments to choose between Paris and Washington.