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You are acting like a neo-conservative extremist Squinty (what are you squinting at?). These guys (watch Fox news) attack any criticsim of the with either ignorant diversions or absolute mindless hatred. Fox labels the biggest capitalists in the world as left-wing traitors if they question Bush or support the Democrats. It seems far more likely that the guys at Foxm (and other neocons on the payroll) are neo-fascist zombies that can't articulate their real agenda because rational people wouldn't accept it.

Johnson's quote speaks volumes about the neo-cons Argus. How do you interpret it? Speaks volumes about people who criticise others for not shouting out their love of Canada, too. Do you love Canada Argus?

Your posting style is absolutely obnoxious without even reading the actual words you're typing. If you wish to have a serious discussion, perhaps work on making your posts look like they weren't written by a preschooler with a fetish for crayons. I like those fonts cybercoma (does your name reflect that you are a zombie?) unlike most of the neo-cons on this board, my posts have more than a few well thought out ideas. I realize that people like yourself have trouble reading more than a few sentences, so I use formats to categorize the text and highlight the main ideas. If cyberzombies like you are really having trouble reading my posts, copy and paste them into notepad. This board would be a lot better if it wasn't cluttered with petty complaints like yours.

Boy. It's deja-vu all over again. You are acting like a neo-conservative extremist Argus. These guys (watch Fox news) attack any criticsim of the Bush Cabal with either ignorant indeference or absolute mindless hatred. Fox labels the biggest capitalists in the world as left-wing traitors if they question Bush or support the Democrats. It seems far more likely that the guys at Fox are neo-fascist zombies that can't articulate their real agenda because rational people wouldn't accept it. Politicians will probably always try to keep people in the dark if they think they can get more personnel benefit from manipulation, than from logic and reason. It's obvious, however, open debate, democracy, civil rights and an independent media are vitally important to any legitimate negotiations. Without these established channels, it is very difficult to determine if a movement reflects the public will or the will of a small faction of radicals. After the Nazis took control of the media, and outlawed all opposing political parties, it was easy for Hitler to manipulate and coerce the German public into following his orders --any orders. Life can go from bad to terrible very quickly if people abuse power without any accountability. Many authoritarians have gone to horrifying extremes to hide their mistakes and to avoid being held accountable for their crimes. Here is what a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review, and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury has to say about the US Patriot Act. The Police State Is Closer Than You Think The hysterical aftermath of September 11 has put into place the main components of a police state. Habeas corpus is the greatest protection Americans have against a police state. Habeas corpus ensures that Americans can only be detained by law. They must be charged with offenses, given access to attorneys, and brought to trial. Habeas corpus prevents the despotic practice of picking up a person and holding him indefinitely. President Bush claims the power to set aside habeas corpus and to dispense with warrants for arrest and with procedures that guarantee court appearance and trial without undue delay. Today in the US, the executive branch claims the power to arrest a citizen on its own initiative and hold the citizen indefinitely. Thus, Americans are no longer protected from arbitrary arrest and indefinite detention. These new "seize and hold" powers strip the accused of the protective aspects of law and give rein to selectivity and arbitrariness. No warrant is required for arrest, no charges have to be presented before a judge, and no case has to be put before a jury. As the police are unaccountable, whoever is selected for arrest is at the mercy of arbitrariness. The judiciary has to some extent defended habeas corpus against Bush’s attack, but the protection that the principle offers against arbitrary seizure and detention has been breeched. Whether courts can fully restore habeas corpus or whether it continues in weakened form or passes by the wayside remains to be determined. Americans may be unaware of what it means to be stripped of the protection of habeas corpus, or they may think police authorities would never make a mistake or ever use their unbridled power against the innocent. Americans might think that the police state will only use its powers against terrorists or "enemy combatants." But "terrorist" is an elastic and legally undefined category. When the President of the United States declares: "You are with us or against us," the police may perceive a terrorist in a dissenter from the government’s policies. Political opponents may be regarded as "against us" and thereby fall in the suspect category. Or a police officer may simply have his eye on another man’s attractive wife or wish to settle some old score. An enemy combatant might simply be an American who happens to be in a foreign country when the US invades. In times before our own when people were properly educated, they understood the injustices that caused the English Parliament to pass the Habeas Corpus Act of 1679 prohibiting the arbitrary powers that are now being claimed for the executive branch in the US. The PATRIOT Act has given the police autonomous surveillance powers. These powers were not achieved without opposition. Civil libertarians opposed it. Bob Barr, the former US Representative who led the impeachment of President Clinton, fought to limit some of the worst features of the act. But the act still bristles with unconstitutional violations of the rights of citizens, and the newly created powers of government to spy on citizens has brought an end to privacy. The prohibition against self-incrimination protects the accused from being tortured into confession. The innocent are no more immune to pain than the guilty. As Stalin’s show trials demonstrated, even the most committed leaders of the Bolshevik revolution could be tortured into confessing to be counter-revolutionaries. The prohibition against torture has been breeched by the practice of plea bargaining, which replaces jury trials with negotiated self-incrimination, and by sentencing guidelines, which transfer sentencing discretion from judge to prosecutor. Plea bargaining is a form of psychological torture in which innocent and guilty alike give up their right to jury trial in order to reduce the number and severity of the charges that the prosecutor brings. The prohibition against physical torture, however, held until the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. As video, photographic, and testimonial evidence make clear, the US military has been torturing large numbers of people in its Iraq prisons and in its prison compound at Guantanamo, Cuba. Most of the detainees were people picked up in the equivalent of KGB Stalin-era street sweeps. Having no idea who the detainees are and pressured to produce results, torture was applied to coerce confessions. Everyone is disturbed about this barbaric and illegal practice except the Bush administration. In an amendment to a $440 billion defense budget bill last Wednesday, the US Senate voted 90 to 9 to ban "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" of anyone in US government custody. President Bush responded to the Senate’s will by repeating his earlier threat to veto the bill. Allow me to torture, demands Bush of the Senate, or you will be guilty of delaying the military’s budget during wartime. Bush is threatening the Senate with blame for the deaths of US soldiers who will die because they don’t get their body armor or humvee armor in time. It will be a short step from torturing detainees abroad to torturing the accused in US jails and prisons. The attorney-client privilege, another great achievement, has been breeched by the Lynne Stewart case. As the attorney for a terrorist, Stewart represented her client in ways disapproved by prosecutors. Stewart was indicted, tried, and convicted of providing material support to terrorists. Stewart’s indictment sends a message to attorneys not to represent too dutifully or aggressively clients who are unpopular or demonized. Initially, this category may be limited to terrorists. However, once the attorney-client privilege is breeched, any attorney who gets too much in the way of a prosecutor’s case may experience retribution. The intimidation factor can result in an attorney presenting a weak defense. It can even result in attorneys doing as the Benthamite US Department of Justice (sic) desires and helping to convict their client. In the Anglo-American legal tradition, law is a shield of the accused. This is necessary in order to protect the innocent. The accused is innocent until he is proven guilty in an open court. There are no secret tribunals, no torture, and no show trials. Outside the Anglo-American legal tradition, law is a weapon of the state. It may be used with careful restraint, as in Europe today, or it may be used to destroy opponents or rivals as in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. When the protective features of the law are removed, law becomes a weapon. Habeas corpus, due process, the attorney-client privilege, no crime without intent, and prohibitions against torture and ex post facto laws are the protective features that shield the accused. These protective features are being removed by zealotry in the "war against terrorism." The damage terrorists can inflict pales in comparison to the loss of the civil liberties that protect us from the arbitrary power of law used as a weapon. The loss of law as Blackstone’s shield of the innocent would be catastrophic. It would mean the end of America as a land of liberty.

Another conspiracy wacko. You are acting like a neo-conservative extremist Argus. These guys (watch Fox news) attack any criticsim of the Bush Cabal with absolute mindless hatred. Fox labels the biggest capitalists in the world as left-wing traitors if they question Bush or support the Democrats. It seems far more likely that the guys at Fox are neo-fascist zombies that can't articulate their real agenda because rational people wouldn't accept it.

Perle and Black are clearly soulmates: Both were Primary Hollinger Directors Both looted Hollinger Both are being charged in the US for looting Holinger. Harper and Black are clearly soulmates: Black's Giant Media Chain Backs Harper and continually advances the neo-con agenda. Harper was at 2003 Bilderburg Meeting holding Black's hand along with Perle and Wolfwitz Richard Perle quote: If we go forth, and wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us Stephen Harper quote: Human rights commissions are an attack on our freedoms. It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff. Harper being part of Perle's cabal is very scary stuff. ================= What is Stephen Harper doing at a super-secret Bilderberg meeting of the Western worlds central bankers, defense experts, press barons, royalty, prime ministers, international financiers, industrialists and government officials? The 2003 guest list includes names such as David Rockefeller, Richard Perle, Klaus Schwab (World Economic Forum), Henry Kissinger, the King and Queen of Spain, Paul Wolfowitz and a host of other bankers, corporate heads and royalty. Some Canadians in attendance included Conrad Black, Mark Steyn (National Post) Heather Reisman (Chapters-Indigo), Anthony Fell (RBC Dominion Securities) and Stephen Harper, Leader of the Opposition Attending this meeting wouldn’t generally be a problem, but Harper has a history of kissing up to the worst of these guys while smearing Canada in the process. http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparti...per_speech.html The Bilderberg group's secret annual meeting determines many of the headlines and news developments that you will read about in the coming months. But the Establishment media completely black out any news of it and remain strangely reluctant to lift the curtain hiding this major event. A number of high-ranking members of the press who attend the annual meeting are sworn to secrecy, and news editors are held responsible if any of their journalists "inadvertently" report on what takes place. Yet few have ever heard of this exclusive and secretive group of the world's most powerful financiers, industrialists and political figures. After three straight years of open hostility and tension amongst the European, British and American Bilderbergers, caused by the war in Iraq, The aura of complete congeniality amongst them has returned. Bilderbergers have reaffirmed and remain united in their long-term goal to strengthen the role The United Nations plays in regulating global conflicts and relations. http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?sto...Bsecret%2Bannua Most of these guys probably have good intentions, but if they do wouldn’t it be better for them to advertise their agenda on a website? In any case I have no doubt that Harper would have been hanging out specifically with Black at this meeting. Black and Perle were partners in crime it also highly likely that all four of these guys (Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Conrad Black, and Stephen Harper) were in cahoots at this meeting. Conrad Black (key Harper supporter and former owner of 3rd biggest media empire in the world, including the National Post and dozens of other Canadian newspapers) was working side by side with Richard Perle (architect of the Iraq Invasion, self proclaimed Darth Vader, and key pupeteer behind the Bush administration) Both of these guys are being indicted over conspiracies involving Hollinger International The amount of money stolen by Black and his cohort David Radler amounted to $400m, a staggering 95.2% of Hollinger’s net income for that period. Hollinger went from being an expanding business to becoming a company whose sole preoccupation was generating current cash for the controlling shareholders (This same treasury plundering happened in the USA when the neo-cons came to power, and it will happen to Canada if Harper is elected. Remember how quickly Canada went into debt when Mulroney was elected?), As a result of his involvement on Hollinger’s executive committee, uber-neoconservative Richard Perle, ‘The Prince of Darkness’, sometime Chairman of the Pentagon Defence Policy Board, may soon find himself out of pocket to the tune of 5 MILLION DOLLARS Hawkish author Tom Clancy (Patriot Games and The Hunt for Red October) "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle. "Perle was saying how Colin Powell was being a wuss because he was overly concerned with the lives of the troops," Clancy said. "And I said, 'Look ..., he's supposed to think that way!' And Perle didn't agree with me on that. People like that worry me." Lawrence Wilkerson, General Colin Powell's chief of staff until January this year, alleged that US policy on Iraq before and after the March 2003 invasion had been hijacked by an alliance between Dick Cheney and Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, fostered by President George Bush's "detached" attitude to details of post-war planning. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...ticle330218.ece Wilkerson even accused Vice-President Dick Cheney of creating the climate in which prisoner abuse could flourish, and implied that he might have committed war crimes. Wilkerson said that Cheney must have sincerely believed that Iraq could be a spawning ground for new terror assaults, because "otherwise I have to declare him a moron, an idiot or a nefarious bastard." http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/29/wil...w.ap/index.html Richard Perle would have been a key puppeteer in this Hijacking of the US Government. If Perle’s Network penetrates into Harper’s Government (see diagram above) Canada could face the same kind of neo-fascist hijacking that happened in the US. Complacent conservatives, of course, assure us that whatever happens, Canada has a strong constitution and the rule of law prevails. However, the Perle network in the US led the Bush Administration to withdraw from several international treaties, and contravene several international laws. Bush (under the Perle Cabal’s Direction of course) was recently quoted as saying the US Constitution was just a GOD-DAMN PIECE OF PAPER. “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush said. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” http://www.comlinks.com/polintel/pi051214.htm Remember how furious Harper was that Chrétien wouldn't let Canadian soldiers die "shoulder to shoulder" with Americans over Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction --- even when it was completely obvious that Iraq didn't pose any near-term threat to anybody? Well the war drums are still beating. The neo-cons still have Iran, Syria and Venezuela in their gun sights. How has Harper changed in the last few years. Probably not much -- though he may be more cunning. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Richard Perle It's hard to believe that key neocon puppeteers like Perle could change their philosophies that much overnight. Westerners, but Albertans in particular, need to think hard about their future in this country. Albertans should decide that it is time to seek a new relationship with Canada. The next logical step is to begin building a much more autonomous Alberta. ( Stephen Harper National Post, December 8, 2000) “Whether Canada ends up as one national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion… And whether Canada ends up with o­ne national government or two governments or ten governments, the Canadian people will require less government no matter what the constitutional status or arrangement of any future country may be.” (Stephen Harper Speech to the Colin Brown Memorial Dinner, National Citizens Coalition, 1994) Harper's statements are clear to me. It wouldn't even surprise me if Harper is backing the Quebec separatists because he hopes that will help precipitate Alberta's (or nothern Alberta's) separation. Do you know that a start up job at MacDonalds in Northern Alberta pays $17/hr. No wonder these guys think they are so hard done by. Harper's relationship with the Conrad Black and Richard Perle indicates that maybe the whole thing is in someway tied with Bush's energy policy. Are Bush's buddies trying to get "freer" access to Alberta's oilfields? Canadians should get very serious and look into this instead of treating it like it is such an unlikely scenario. Don't forget that even oil-rich Venezuela is in the Perle Cabal's gunsights.

Stephen Harper is a soulmate of Richard Perle? Rubbish. You have no proof because it doesn't exist. You can't defend Liberal scandals and corruption so you have to ramble on with this fiction. I have a good diagram of this but I don't know how to post it. I would appreciate it if someone could help me out on this. Perle and Black are clearly soulmates: Both were Primary Hollinger Directors Both looted Hollinger Both are being charged in the US for looting Holinger. Harper and Black are clearly soulmates: Black's Giant Media Chain Backs Harper and continually advances the neo-con agenda. Harper was at 2003 Bilderburg Meeting holding black's hand along with Perle and Wolfwitz Richard Perle quote: If we go forth, and wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us Stephen Harper quote: Human rights commissions are an attack on our freedoms. It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff. Harper being part of Perle's cabal is very scary stuff.

Do you have trouble reading Kula?

Johnson's quote speaks volumes about the neo-cons Argus. How do you interpret it?

Clark didn't understand a lot of things, Maybe you can help us understand Harper the Argus? Harper seems to be hiding behing a 2D plastic mask. Tear it off for us if you can

what other reasons Argus? Be honest and thorough if you can stomach it.

You religious conservatives are always whining about what people do in bed. I'm not a even conservative Argus. Neo-cons are always using double-think and petty diversions to avoid explaining themselves -- probably because most people wouldn't put up with the ugly agenda they espouse.

Marxism serves everybody in theory Fleabag. In reality it stiffles everybody.

Why would that matter? Because it is annoying to read... Why would you want to? Why would who want to do what Argus?

I agree with you completely Bubber. Complacent conservatives assure us that whatever happens, Canada has a strong constitution and the rule of law prevails. It's very scary that Harper and Richard Perle are probably in bed together. The Perle cabal in the US led the Bush Administration to withdraw from several international treaties, and contravene several international laws. Hawkish author Tom Clancy (Patriot Games and The Hunt for Red October) "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle. "Perle was saying how Colin Powell was being a wuss because he was overly concerned with the lives of the troops," Clancy said. "And I said, 'Look ..., he's supposed to think that way!' And Perle didn't agree with me on that. People like that worry me." Lawrence Wilkerson, General Colin Powell's chief of staff until January this year, alleged that US policy on Iraq before and after the March 2003 invasion had been hijacked by an alliance between Dick Cheney and Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, fostered by President George Bush's "detached" attitude to details of post-war planning. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...ticle330218.ece Wilkerson even accused Vice-President Dick Cheney of creating the climate in which prisoner abuse could flourish, and implied that he might have committed war crimes. Wilkerson said that Cheney must have sincerely believed that Iraq could be a spawning ground for new terror assaults, because "otherwise I have to declare him a moron, an idiot or a nefarious bastard." http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/29/wil...w.ap/index.html Richard Perle would have been a key puppeteer in this Hijacking of the US Government. If Perle’s Network penetrates into Harper’s Government (see diagram above) Canada could face the same kind of neo-fascist hijacking that happened in the US. Bush (under the Perle Cabal’s Direction of course) was recently quoted as saying the US Constitution was just a GOD-DAMN PIECE OF PAPER. “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush said. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” http://www.comlinks.com/polintel/pi051214.htm Remember how furious Harper was that Chrétien wouldn't let Canadian soldiers die "shoulder to shoulder" with Americans over Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction --- even when it was completely obvious that Iraq didn't pose any near-term threat to anybody? Well the war drums are still beating. The neo-cons still have Iran, Syria and Venezuela in their gun sights. How has Harper changed in the last few years. Probably not much -- though he may be more cunning. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Richard Perle It's hard to believe that key neocon puppeteers like Perle could change their philosophies that much overnight.

Stephen Harper quote: Human rights commissions are an attack on our freedoms. It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff. Richard Perle quote: If we go forth, and wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us It is very scary that Harper, Conrad Black and Richard Perle are all in bed together.

It's very scary that Harper, Richard Perle and Conrad Black are all in bed together. Canada needs to wake up to this fact right away. Hawkish author Tom Clancy (Patriot Games and The Hunt for Red October) "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle. "Perle was saying how Colin Powell was being a wuss because he was overly concerned with the lives of the troops," Clancy said. "And I said, 'Look ..., he's supposed to think that way!' And Perle didn't agree with me on that. People like that worry me." Lawrence Wilkerson, General Colin Powell's chief of staff until January this year, alleged that US policy on Iraq before and after the March 2003 invasion had been hijacked by an alliance between Dick Cheney and Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, fostered by President George Bush's "detached" attitude to details of post-war planning. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...ticle330218.ece Wilkerson even accused Vice-President Dick Cheney of creating the climate in which prisoner abuse could flourish, and implied that he might have committed war crimes. Wilkerson said that Cheney must have sincerely believed that Iraq could be a spawning ground for new terror assaults, because "otherwise I have to declare him a moron, an idiot or a nefarious bastard." http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/29/wil...w.ap/index.html Richard Perle would have been a key puppeteer in this Hijacking of the US Government. If Perle’s Network penetrates into Harper’s Government (see diagram above) Canada could face the same kind of neo-fascist hijacking that happened in the US. Complacent conservatives, of course, assure us that whatever happens, Canada has a strong constitution and the rule of law prevails. However, the Perle network in the US led the Bush Administration to withdraw from several international treaties, and contravene several international laws. Bush was recently quoted as saying the US Constitution was just a GOD-DAMN PIECE OF PAPER. “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush said. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” http://www.comlinks.com/polintel/pi051214.htm Remember how furious Harper was that Chrétien wouldn't let Canadian soldiers die "shoulder to shoulder" with Americans over Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction --- even when it was completely obvious that Iraq didn't pose any near-term threat to anybody? Well the war drums are still beating. The neo-cons still have Iran, Syria and Venezuela in their gun sights. How has Harper changed in the last few years. Probably not much -- though he may be more cunning. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Richard Perle It's hard to believe that key neocon puppeteers like Perle could change their philosophies that much overnight.

What did long time conservative leader Joe Clark say about Harper tml? Clark said that harper was a devil that even he didn't know or understand. Because of this Clark backed Martin. Remember how Conrad Black and richard Perle were in bed together at Hollinger? Remember how Hollinger was the biggest backer of Harper's neo-con platform. remember how Harper, Black and Perle were walking hand in hand at the 2003 Bilderburg meeting? Hawkish author Tom Clancy (Patriot Games and The Hunt for Red October) "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle. "Perle was saying how Colin Powell was being a wuss because he was overly concerned with the lives of the troops," Clancy said. "And I said, 'Look ..., he's supposed to think that way!' And Perle didn't agree with me on that. People like that worry me." Lawrence Wilkerson, General Colin Powell's chief of staff until January this year, alleged that US policy on Iraq before and after the March 2003 invasion had been hijacked by an alliance between Dick Cheney and Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, fostered by President George Bush's "detached" attitude to details of post-war planning. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...ticle330218.ece Wilkerson even accused Vice-President Dick Cheney of creating the climate in which prisoner abuse could flourish, and implied that he might have committed war crimes. Wilkerson said that Cheney must have sincerely believed that Iraq could be a spawning ground for new terror assaults, because "otherwise I have to declare him a moron, an idiot or a nefarious bastard." http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/29/wil...w.ap/index.html Richard Perle would have been a key puppeteer in this Hijacking of the US Government. If Perle’s Network penetrates into Harper’s Government (see diagram above) Canada could face the same kind of neo-fascist hijacking that happened in the US. Complacent conservatives, of course, assure us that whatever happens, Canada has a strong constitution and the rule of law prevails. However, the Perle network in the US led the Bush Administration to withdraw from several international treaties, and contravene several international laws. Bush was recently quoted as saying the US Constitution was just a GOD-DAMN PIECE OF PAPER. “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush said. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” http://www.comlinks.com/polintel/pi051214.htm Remember how furious Harper was that Chrétien wouldn't let Canadian soldiers die "shoulder to shoulder" with Americans over Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction --- even when it was completely obvious that Iraq didn't pose any near-term threat to anybody? Well the war drums are still beating. The neo-cons still have Iran, Syria and Venezuela in their gun sights. How has Harper changed in the last few years. Probably not much -- though he may be more cunning. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Richard Perle It's hard to believe that key neocon puppeteers like Perle could change their philosophies that much overnight.

Why would that matter? Because it is annoying to read... I'm glad you are at least reading my posts tml12. It would be nice if you stopped to think of them for a while before complaining about trivial things like the font.

Only a few TML12, and Cretien would have much rather given the inspectors more time. By the time the US invaded Iraq, Hussein had conceded everthing the US asked (except leaving the country or producing non-existent WMDs.) It was pretty obvious by March 2003 that Iraq had no WMDs, and the US didn't even alow Iraq time to dismantle the few mid-range misilles that did turn up. All the high explosives at al-Qua were ignored for days after the invasion even though the weapons inspectors repeatedly told the US that this was a highest priority target. These same explosives, of course, were later used by Iraqi militants to kill and maim thousands of US troops.

People like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Howard Dean may have the freedom to disparage the American troops and their mission, but it doesn't mean that there won't be negative consequences, like having to defend their ridiculous statements. Shady (is that name for real?) You should add John Murtha to your list of traitors. http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles?id=n2...9990012&cid=771 Murtha Says Iraq 'Absolutely' Wrong War Reuters WASHINGTON (Jan. 3) - Rep. John Murtha, a key Democratic voice who favors pulling U.S. troops from Iraq, said in remarks airing on Monday that he would not join the U.S. military today. A decorated Vietnam combat veteran who retired as a colonel after 37 years in the U.S. Marine Corps, Murtha told ABC News' "Nightline" program that Iraq "absolutely" was a wrong war for President George W. Bush to have launched. American Patriots like Murtha are probably the only thing that will knock some sense into the recent US foreign policy. Hopefully he can prevent another disaster like Iraq. of course neocons like Richard Perle might be incensed by this proposition. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Key Neo-con pupeteer Richard Perle (self proclaimed Darth Vader and Prince of Darkness) Are you a Perle fan Shady? is that where your name comes from? Tom Clancy (hawkish master of such million-selling thrillers as "Patriot Games" and "The Hunt for Red October" ) recalled a prewar encounter in Washington during which he "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle. "Perle was saying how Colin L. Powell was being a wuss because he was overly concerned with the lives of the troops," Clancy said. "And I said, 'Look ..., he's supposed to think that way!' And Perle didn't agree with me on that. People like that worry me."

Fanatical right wing + billions in corporate welfare for military contractors + limits on free speech and free press = neo-fascism aka the dark side of neo-conservatism The American neo-conservative movement has clearly become unbalanced when media giants like FOX NEWS label the biggest capitalists in the world as “left-wing” if they don’t pledge unquestioning blind allegiance to Cheney and Bush’s Administration. The American fanatical-right are trying to create a culture of double-think, where people who question the Iraq War are left-wing traitors who are endangering the troops. Stunningly, zealots who want to expand the crusade to Syria, Iran and Venezuela are supposedly keeping the troops safely out of harms way. [/color] Remember how furious Harper was that Cretien wouldn't let Canadian soldiers die "shoulder to shoulder" with americans over Iraq's non-existant weapons of mass distruction --- even when it was completely obvious that Iraq didn't pose any near-term threat to anybody? Well the war drums are still beating August. The neo-cons still have Iran, Syria and Venezuela in their gunsights. How has Harper changed in the last few years. Probably not much -- though he may be more cunning. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Richard Perle It's hard to believe that key neocon pupeteers like Perle could change their phiolosophies that much overnight.

If it's unbalanced you should be able to rip it apart pretty easily. Instead you are resorting to the seedy neo-fascist habit of attacking anyone who questions you with mindless hatred. You should ber able to be more articulate than that scriblett

Westerners, but Albertans in particular, need to think hard about their future in this country. Albertans should decide that it is time to seek a new relationship with Canada. The next logical step is to begin building a much more autonomous Alberta. ( Stephen Harper National Post, December 8, 2000) “Whether Canada ends up as one national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion… And whether Canada ends up with o­ne national government or two governments or ten governments, the Canadian people will require less government no matter what the constitutional status or arrangement of any future country may be.” (Stephen Harper Speech to the Colin Brown Memorial Dinner, National Citizens Coalition, 1994) Harper's statements seems pretty clear to me August. It wouldn't even surprise me if Harper is backing the Quebec separatists because he hopes that will help precipitate Alberta's (or nothern Alberta's) separation. Do you know that a start up job at MacDonalds in Northern Alberta pays $17/hr. No wonder these guys think they are so hard done by. Harper's relationship with the Conrad Black and Richard Perle indicates that maybe the whole thing is in someway tied with Bush's energy policy. Are Bush's buddies trying to get "freer" access to Alberta's oilfields? You guys should get serious and look into this instead of treating it like it is such an unlikely scenario. On the other hand, maybe you guys are on the payroll and like the way things are developing just fine. Cheers

Fanatical right wing + billions in corporate welfare for military contractors + limits on free speech and free press = neo-fascism aka the dark side of neo-conservatism The American neo-conservative movement has clearly become unbalanced when media giants like FOX NEWS label the biggest capitalists in the world as “left-wing” if they don’t pledge unquestioning blind allegiance to Cheney and Bush’s Administration. The American fanatical-right are trying to create a culture of double-think, where people who question the Iraq War are left-wing traitors who are endangering the troops. Stunningly, zealots who want to expand the crusade to Syria, Iran and Venezuela are supposedly keeping the troops safely out of harms way. [/color] ========================= Footnotes (1) It’s ironic that in his latest speech Bush called on Americans to make more sacrifices in the war on terror, while he and his friends seem to be getting rich off it. Note that Halliburton stock is up 300% since Iraq was invaded in March 2003. Cheney’s half million deferred stock options probably went up over 1000%. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=hal&t=5y&l...=l&q=c&p=&a=&c= Chevron is up 200% since March 2003. Does Rice have any options in Chevron? How about her friends. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CVX&t=5y&l=off&z=l&q=c&c= United Defense Industries went from $20 to $75 before being bought out. Nobody knows how Carlyle Corp is doing because it is private, but it is probably going through the roof. The Bush family has probably made tens of millions. How does this compare with the finances of the soldiers in Iraq? Many of them will barely be employable when they get back home. Deaths and injuries are growing in Iraq with over 2,079 confirmed American deaths. Over 15,500 have been seriously injured and it is estimated that over 50,000 will suffer from battle fatigue. There have also been reports of at least 30,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. (2005/11/18)