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Lol :-p. I suspect you may not have read my whole post though.I think what I said after the sentence you quoted is pretty important. To whit: ** If you're fit enough to do a given military job, why should your age be the deciding factor? Similarly, if a woman was fit enough to be in a combat military role, why should her gender be a factor? I think the main problem when it comes to this whole "Are you a man or a woman" debate is that we're focusing on the wrong thing, that is, we're focusing on a person's biological sex, instead of their capabilities. ** I'm going to guess you're referring to allowing trans women into women's washrooms? The irony is that, unlike men's washrooms, women's stalls are all closed door. No one will be seeing anything in there anyway. If we made all stalls like that, we could just have unisex washrooms and do away with such tedious questions as to who should use what washroom. Very forward thinking of you :-).

I'm inclined to think most people don't care too much about assumed "identities" they care about uncut men in the women's change room... two totally different things. In all but 0.3% of cases, humans of average intelligence should be able to check between their legs and choose the right door. But never mind all that, we'lll get no where with it anyway... my real question is simple enough: if an uncut man can identify as a woman, why can't a retired 67 year old man be able to identify as 19 years old and rejoin the same military he was forced out of at compulsory release age (CRA). I'd like to rejoin. And before you ask, yes, I can easily pass the dumbed down fitness test many currently serving twenty somethings are having problems with. I'll even do the current SOR fitness test for ya,if I pass that can I be 19 again? Dear Santa: Direct entry as a JTAC would be just fine... Lol :-). I think in a way, you're making my deeper point for me. If you're fit enough to do a given military job, why should your age be the deciding factor? Similarly, if a woman was fit enough to be in a combat military role, why should her gender be a factor? I think the main problem when it comes to this whole "Are you a man or a woman" debate is that we're focusing on the wrong thing, that is, we're focusing on a person's biological sex, instead of their capabilities. As to the washroom concern, as I've said before, I think the solution is to have more gender neutral washrooms. This whole debate reminds me of the whole "colored" vs. "white" washrooms. Just have a bunch of closed off stalls like women's washrooms already have and then man, woman and non binaries can all use the same washroom. They already exist and I think they're the best solution to the problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet

Try watching the video next time. I watched it the first time. No, I've -never- pushed for so called gender affirming care, and as I've mentioned in this thread, like Chloe Cole, I don't currently think that minors should even have the option to do it. I decided it would be good to transcribe what she said to discern her most important points. First, the transcription: ** My name is Chloe Cole and I'm a de transitioner. Another way to put that would be I used to believe that I was born in the wrong body and the adults in my life whom I trusted affirmed my belief and this caused me lifelong irreversible harm. I speak to you today as a victim of one of the biggest medical scandals in the history of the United States of America. I speak to you in the hope that you will have the courage to bring this scandal to an end and ensure that other vulnerable teenagers, children and young adults don't go through what I went through. At the age of 12, I began to experience what my medical team would later diagnose as gender dysphoria. I was well into an early puberty and I was very uncomfortable with the changes that were happening to my body. I was intimidated by male attention, and when I told my parents that I felt like a boy, in retrospect, all I meant was that I hated puberty, that I wanted this newfound sexual attention to go away, that I looked up to my brothers a little bit more than I did to my sisters. I came out as transgender in a letter I sent on the dining room table. My parents were immediately concerned. They felt like they needed to get outside help from medical professionals, but this proved to be a mistake. It immediately set our entire family down a path of ideologically motivated deceit and coercion. The gender specialist I was taken to see told my parents that I need to be put on puberty blocking drugs right away. They asked my parents a simple question: would you rather have a dead daughter or a living transgender son. The choice was enough for my parents to let their guard down, and in retrospect I can't blame them. This is the moment that we all became victims of so-called gender affirming care. I was fast tracked onto puberty blockers and then testosterone. The resulting menopausal like hot flashes made focusing on school impossible. I still get joint pains and weird pops in my back, but they were far worse when I was on the blockers. A month later when I was 13, I had my first testosterone injection. It's caused permanent changes to my body my voice will forever be deeper my jawline sharper my nose longer my bone structure permanently masculinized my adam's apple more prominent. My fertility unknown. I look in the mirror sometimes and I feel like a monster. I had a double mastectomy at 15. They tested my amputated breasts for cancer. I was cancer-free of course. I was perfectly healthy. There was nothing wrong with my still developing body or my breasts, other than that as an insecure teenage girl, I felt awkward about it. After my breasts were taken away from me, the tissue was incinerated. Before I was able to legally drive I had a huge part of my future womanhood taken from me. I will never be able to breastfeed. I struggled to look at myself in the mirror at times. I still struggle to this day with sexual dysfunction, and I have massive scars across my chest. And the skin grafts that they use that they took of my nipples are weeping fluid today and they were grafted into a more masculine positioning they said. After surgery, my grades in school plummeted. Everything that I went through did nothing to address my underlying mental health issues that I had and my doctors with their theories on gender thought that all my problems would go away as soon as I was surgically transformed into something that vaguely resembled a boy. Their theories were wrong. The drugs and surgeries changed my body but they did not and could not change the basic reality that I am and forever will be a female. When my specialist first told my parents that they could have a dead daughter or a live transgender son I wasn't suicidal. I was a happy child who struggled because she was different. However, at 16, after my surgery I did become suicidal. I'm doing better now, but my parents almost got the dead daughter promised to them by my doctors. My doctors had almost created the very nightmare they said they were trying to avoid. So what message do I want to bring to American teenagers and their families? I didn't need to be lied to. I needed compassion. I needed to be loved. I needed to be given therapy to help me work through my issues, not affirm to my delusion that by transforming into a boy, it would solve all my problems. We need to stop telling 12 year olds that they were born wrong, that they are right to reject their own bodies and feel uncomfortable with their own skin. We need to stop telling children that puberty is an option. That they can choose what kind of puberty they will go through just as they can choose what clothes to wear or what music to listen to. Puberty is a rite of passage to adulthood, not a disease to be mitigated. Today, I should be at home with my family celebrating my 19th birthday and instead I'm making a desperate plea to my elected my elected representatives: learn the lessons from other medical scandals like the opioid crisis to recognize that doctors are human too and sometimes they are wrong. My childhood was ruined, along with thousands of de-transitioners that I know through our networks. This needs to stop. You alone can stop it. Enough children have already been victimized by this barbaric pseudoscience. Please let me be your final warning. Thank you. ** Next, the summary: ** Chloe Cole, a de-transitioner was put on puberty blockers and testosterone at a young age, and underwent a double mastectomy at 15, despite being perfectly healthy. Chloe expresses regret over the irreversible changes to her body and the negative impact on her mental health, including suicidal thoughts. She argues that she was failed by the medical system, which affirmed her belief that she was born in the wrong body instead of providing her with compassion and therapy to address her underlying issues. Chloe is now making a plea to elected representatives to learn from this medical scandal and stop the practice of "gender-affirming care" for vulnerable children and teenagers. ** Another point is that Chloe's parents were presented with a false choice as to whether they would rather have a dead daughter or a living transgender son. This choice was used to pressure them into agreeing to put Chloe on puberty blockers and later testosterone. Now, do you notice that Chloe never mentions anything on the debate of gender identity? Her entire focus is on transitioning hormone blockers, testosterone and body modification surgery.

The trend needs to be dismissed. Why do you believe that?

And I'm saying I disagree with the whole premise. You will never convince me it's a good idea to blur the line between man and woman. You don't agree with the fact that many have expanded their -definitions- of man and woman. Most people are biologically one or the other, but the new gender definitions of the terms allow anyone to identify with the gender they believe they are. Don't get me wrong, I can certainly see how this could go too far, such as someone switching between one and the other too often. However, I think that -not- expanding these definitions, especially to transgender people, can get them to go transexual- that is, to get hormones/hormone blockers and surgery. Generally speaking, I strongly believe that this is done in order to conform more with what a man or a woman is "supposed" to look like. If we'd just let people identify with the gender they wish, I think a lot of this could be avoided.

You're literally replying to me and talking to me as if I'm in the third person. Yes, but you're not the only person here, now, are you? Considering how our rapport is not exactly great, I had hoped to get a response from someone else, notably Radiorum, and I wasn't disappointed. For those in the audience, Radiorum responded to my post in post #1083. Almost sounds like you're recognizing the fact that I have a unique posting style. But then you ruin it with what you say afterwards... Let me guess, you think Radiorum is me -.- Given enough time, I think you'll realize that we're not the same person, at which point you'll probably try to hide the fact that you ever thought we were the same person, just like you seemed to hide the fact that you made a typo not too long ago. One thing I will point out to help you along your path- posters can sometimes immitate posters they like. Heck, I've noticed that even posters who -don't- like each other can sometimes mimick each other's words, and I am by no means saying that I'm immune to this. I don't think it's a bad thing either. I think everyone's -goal- in forums should be learn from others and to try to understand why others think differently then oneself. I think trying to use the same types of words and even turns of phrase can help with this.

You mean you under another account. No, as I've mentioned before, Radiorum and I are different people. We even have some things we don't agree on, though I haven't challenged him in said threads. I find this one more interesting, and I only have so much time. It'd actually be pretty obvious if you knew anything about my views on the 2020 U.S. Federal election, but you don't, so I guess it's understandable that you still seem to think that we're the same person.

No, what you're seeing is pushback. I guess that's one way of putting it, but I don't think you really understand what you're pushing back against. I'd say what you and others are essentially trying to push back the LGBTQ community back into the small corner of society that it used to inhabit. It's not happening. But I guess you'll keep on trying, one insult at a time. I've already said that I skeptical that pole dancing in front of kids is a good idea, regardless of whether they're drag queens or anyone else, but I haven't heard that happening much to begin with. Drag queens reading stories to kids seems fine to me.

Not at all. All that shows is that there's a couple of deranged people out there and we always assume that. If you want to define Wikipedia as "a couple of deranged people", that's your choice to make. I think most people wouldn't put it that way though. I also notice that you cut off what I said after the bit about Wikipedia. For the audience: ** Even more important is the legal cases that have gone through the court system. As I have acknowledged in the past, what I suppose I could call the gender identity movement hasn't won every court battle, but I think they've been winning more than they've been losing and I see that trend continuing in the future. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how things will go if that trend continues. **

My whims have nothing to do with this. I've simply been pointing out that the definition of male and female, when used in the context of gender, has expanded for a great deal of people, and has reached places such as Wikipedia and even the legal system. And yes, I also think this is a good thing. Good, so stop hiding behind this game you are playing like you are just here pointing out things like some neutral observer when your arguments are challenged. If memory serves, you've frequently acted like I was coming up with these new definitions. I simply pointed out that no, I didn't. I never said I was a neutral observer. Been defending these new definitions for a while now. Hopefully you'll notice at some point.

Bullshit. You've created your own ideology and are attempting to bend definitions to fit it. Surely you know that I didn't create the new gender definitions.

Not playing your dumb dishonest games. Quote the entirety of what I said from over a week ago. I think it's safe to say that I requote more than anyone here. If you yourself aren't interested in figuring out what you think I attempted to do by following the quotes back, I think we can chalk the whole thing up to something that wasn't all that important.

That is the literal definition of trying to change the channel. No, I just refuse to let go of the fact that this whole subthread apparently started because you refused to acknowledge that you made a typo, which I first pointed out way back in post #610. Instead, you went off with some nonsense that it was "hard to say" in post #645.

Generally speaking, it is, Twitter notwithstanding. You certainly don't have to put any dollar signs on the term here, unlike another term you like to use on me. And I have yet to find a dictionary that says that it's a pejorative. The fact that I define myself as a cisgender male strongly suggests that it's not a pejorative as well. No, not generally speaking at all. It is not a right. I think it might be best to simply agree to disagree on this point.

Yes you are. You fall under this definition: "noun An active, loyal, or militant follower of an organization." You've been arguing trans points for weeks, just like a soldier, or even a cultist. As I've pointed out in the past, there is no "trans agenda". There are people who support trans rights, but there are divisions within the movement as to what those rights should be. To name an example I already brought one up, trans surgery, hormones and hormone blockers. For the time being, I've become persuaded that minors shouldn't be getting any of these. I also strongly suspect that many adults wouldn't be getting these things done as well if more people would respect the gender they identify with without such body modifications.

And I will continue to insult the trannies for as long as they keep pushing their agenda. Insulting people you disagree with is not exactly a good way to persuade them that you're right.

There is no logic in your argument, and the "evidence" is delusional. For the audience, note how he makes that assertion without actually offering any evidence for it. But let's continue with what he said and see if he actually provides any evidence for his assertion. So there you have it, folks. I had -hoped- that he would have the decency to back up his rather insulting claim, but instead he just makes another unsubstantiated assertion. For the record, I've never claimed to be a woman.

Great. Glad you're happy about that. For the audience, my -second- sentence is the important one: ** You may want to read the rest of my previous post to see where we disagreed. **

Perhaps Nazis could make that argument; the problem is, that I'm not a Nazi. I don't see that as a problem at all. In fact, I think that's far better, as trying to persuade a Nazi that their path is a bad one is not where I want to spend my time. My assumption from the start was that you weren't a Nazi. I was trying to point out that Nazis used fear and resentment against people they disliked, but that was only the beginning. I think they preferred saying things like degenerate instead of "stunted pervert", but I think the general sentiment was the same. I think we can agree that their "final solution" to those they deemed to essentially be unfit for life was terrible and I ask you to consider where you are headed with your own insults of people you dislike. Tell me, have you seen a film called V for Vendetta? The trailer itself doesn't bring it up, but it actually has a very powerful case, in more modern terms, of where such sentiments can lead.

What I'm trying to do is use logic and evidence to try to come to a mutual agreement as to what is true. Not when you make irrelevant personal comments and comparisons to Nazis and the KKK. When I've made references to the Nazis or the KKK, it's to try to start from a point where we agree- that is, that the Nazis and the KKK are generally pretty bad. I then build on that, saying how some of the arguments you and others make are similar to arguments made by the Nazis and the KKK, in an effort for you and others here to see the errors of your ways.

I imagine that the Nazis could have made the same argument. Quoting from the article I linked to previously: ** “Propaganda is a truly terrible weapon in the hands of an expert” wrote Hitler in 1924 when he was a somewhat marginal figure in German public life. But he was not marginal to the emerging Nazi Party where he served as its first director of propaganda. His insight was how to use its powerful messaging and new technologies to build a mass political and social movement in the context of German democracy. Building on fear and resentment coupled with longstanding antisemitism, the Nazi Party deployed propaganda to offer a bold new vision for Germany. That propaganda helped to create a climate that emboldened the perpetrators, provided justifications for the collaborators, and helped silence the bystanders. All helping to make the genocide of the Jews possible. ** Source: https://itstartedwithwords.org/statements/ The part about the Jews we know, but many are unaware that the Nazis also held a special place for the LGTB community as well. Quoting from an article on the subject: ** DEATH IN CAPTIVITY From 1933 to 1945, around 50,000 men were convicted of homosexuality and sent to prison. Of those, around 10,000 ended up in concentration camps where they faced slave labor, torture, rape, forced castration, medical experimentation, and murder. One of these victims was Liddy Bacroff, a transgender woman from Hamburg who was arrested in the late 1930s. Bacroff maintained her identity in the face of police persecution, telling her captors that her “sense of sex is fully and completely that of a woman.” Nonetheless, they prosecuted Bacroff as a male homosexual and sent her to Mauthausen, where she was murdered in 1943. Queer inmates faced abuse from guards and other inmates who often saw pink triangles as the lowest of the low among those imprisoned. Isolated from inmate support networks and subjected to daily abuse, gay and trans prisoners faced some of the highest death rates among non-Jewish camp prisoners, with an estimated two-thirds dying in captivity. ** Full article: https://holocaustcenter.org/german-lgbtq-community/ Interesting. So, you consider yourself like a Nazi now? I feel like I'm in a debate with a kid saying "I know you are but what am I?". Did you even read beyond the first sentence of my post?

I'd say that if your screening for people you don't like includes crass insults, you're already off to a bad start. I like all people. The reason I like all people is because they are sons and daughters of God. What I don't like is some people's thinking. I don't like YOUR thinking. I certainly agree that you don't like my thinking, at least when it comes to the main subjects of this thread. What you may want to ask yourself is why.

Wrong. The easiest and best way to identify anyone is by their sex. The problem with your logic here is that many people these days can simply tell you they're a man or a woman, not what their biological sex is. Now, if it doesn't matter whether they are the same sex as the gender they identify with, no worries. If it -does- matter, however, you may want additional information. You could, ofcourse, ask them what their biological sex is, but from what I've seen, the better question is whether they are cisgender or transgender.

You've made it clear that you're a convert to the trans community, but that only proves that you are confused. NORMAL people date people of the opposite sex. CONFUSED people just say and do whatever the hell the trannies and queers dictate. I think what you're doing above can safely be classified as trying to alienate those in the LGBTQ community, as the opposite of normal is abnormal, which I think we can agree has negative connotations. The better way of putting it is that -most- people date people of the opposite sex. Generally speaking, those in the LGBTQ community don't, with some exceptions.

Like I said before, this is simple. Yes, you have. I keep on pointing out that this isn't always the case, but you keep on snipping off those bits. Quoting from where you snipped off: ** In many circumstances, this may well not matter, in which case, fine. As I've said before, for the past 3 years living in Mexico, I've never once felt the need to tell anyone I was cisgender. But there are some circumstances where it -does- matter, and in those circumstances, I could say that I am cisgender. **