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I strongly suspect that it's attitudes like yours that are one of the causes of traumas like the one User posted way back in post #627. Here's the video he posted: She certainly wasn't blaming people like us... it was people like you who are pushing this madness onto children who are the problem. No, I've -never- pushed for so called gender affirming care, and as I've mentioned in this thread, like Chloe Cole, I don't currently think that minors should even have the option to do it. Not based on your trying to say she was talking to us you didn't. I never said she was talking to your "us". Deluge had posted the following: ** Feeding the gender fantasy is never a good idea. It's best to identify all human beings by their sex: men and women, boys and girls - just like all societies have done throughout human history. Trannies can truly go to hell on this one. ** Source: https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=54465&content_commentid=1780755 In response, I said: ** I strongly suspect that it's attitudes like yours that are one of the causes of traumas like the one User posted way back in post #627. Here's the video he posted: ** Source: https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=54465&content_commentid=1783317 I stand by my statement.

I watched it the first time. Not based on your trying to say she was talking to us you didn't. I strongly disagree with that statement. For any audience members, the video that User is referring to can be seen here: Not only have I watched it in its entirety, I transcribed the whole thing in the very post User was responding to, summarized the key points and brought up a very relevant question at the end of my post. All of this can be seen in my post #1206.

This has everything to do with bending the knee. You want to take urinals away and replace them with tranny friendly facilities. You want Americans to bend the knee. Once again, no, I don't want "Americans to bend the knee". I want youth who are questioning their gender to feel supported, while at the same time making it clear that while identifying as one gender or another can be done relatively easily and can be reversed, whereas "gender affirming care" frequently if not always has irreversible characteristics. As to urinals, as a cis gender male, I never liked them, I prefer more privacy. I've noticed that recently they are getting more privacy, frequently with semi partitions between them. Going all the way to make them full partitioned, just like toilets, and thus making it easier for anyone to use the washroom, is a step in the right direction in my view.

Nope, we're not going to bend the knee to other people's fantasies. This has nothing to do with bending the knee. This has to do with trying to create a life for transgender people that they can thrive in, rather than languish in. There are different statistics out there, but I think you'll appreciate the following one, as it comes from a conservative source: ** In April, England’s National Health Service disallowed puberty blockers for children following a four-year review conducted by independent researcher Dr. Hilary Cass, who wrote in her report that “for most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress.” Last year, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala, a leading Finnish expert on pediatric gender medicine, said in a newspaper interview that “four out of five” gender-questioning children will eventually grow out of it and accept their bodies even without medical intervention. ** Source: https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/doctor-refused-to-publish-trans-kids-study-that-showed-puberty-blockers-didnt-help-mental-health/ I strongly believe that we should let gender-questioning children work out for themselves what they'd like their gender to be but refrain from offering medical pathways to deal with the problem. Medical decisions are forever, whereas determining what gender they are can change, and apparently frequently does.

You'll win more than he loses. Did you mean to say "He'll win more than he loses"? Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that I thought I "didn't need any cooperation from average people"?

Well, shit. You better rewrite all the medical journals that clearly outline more differences between the two sexes than you or I could spend a lifetime listing out here. I mean, besides the more obvious ones regarding physical strength, size, hormones, genetics... Must we really focus on the minutia? The "more obvious" ones are fine to focus on. The prevelance of biological males having more physical strength and size, which I believe is a product of the different hormone mix and genetics they have, is why I -do- support the right of biological females to compete in sports without biological males. But aside from that, I think it's doing both males and females a disservice to have so much separation. As I've mentioned before, in the past, there was more of a focus on sex separation, as evidenced by the higher prevalence of single sex schools. This has gone down, which I think most people think of was a good thing. Making more unisex bathrooms is just the continuation of what I think is a good trend.

Well, not the women who go in alone and get raped or sexually assaulted by the men inside who you have now normalized it being OK for them to be in there. I remember a comedian once making a joke, his point being that someone who wants to do a crime isn't going to care whether the sign says "women only". Furthermore, by making it unisex, a man could go in to investigate a suspicious sound without the fear of him being punished for going into a "women only" place. There are certanly some bathrooms where it's only one at a time- I've been in those myself. To date, I've yet to be in a multiperson unisex bathroom, but they certainly exist: https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/good-practice-legal/explainer/2017/08/01/unisex-bathrooms-what-fms-need-know Wikipedia gets into their pros and cons here: ** The historical purposes of sex-separated toilets in the United States and Europe, as well as the timing of their appearance, are disputed amongst scholars. Safety from sexual harassment, and privacy, were likely two main goals of sex-separation of public toilets, and factors such as morality also played roles.[1]: 228, 278, 288–89  Paternalism and resistance to women entering the workplace may have also played a role.[2] Some women's groups hold that unisex public toilets will be less safe for women than public toilets that are separated by sex; however, some experts say that with the appropriate design interventions, these spaces can improve the safety of all users and reduce the disproportionately long wait times females face in sex-separated public washrooms.[3][4] The push for gender-neutral bathrooms is driven at least in part by the transgender community to protect against harassment and violence against this population.[5] Unisex public toilets may benefit a range of people with or without special needs (e.g. people with disabilities, the elderly, and anyone who needs the help of someone of another gender or sex), as well as parents who need to help their infant or young child with using the toilet. ** Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet A few can be found in many countries, including the U.S., Canada and several European countries, as the article above demonstrates.

OK, guess I missed that sentence.... my answer just went from " hell no" to "no fu^%$#@ way." Re reading what I wrote, I think I should have said that it'd help break down this notion that biological sexes are that different. Many people, including myself, now see gender as a social construct, thus getting to the point that gender is something like the colours of the rainbow, blending into each other. Biological sexes generally aren't that way, with intersex people being the lone exception. So, are you arguing that there is a vast difference between biological males and females?

Again, I'm in agreement that biological females should have the right to exclude biological males in sports they compete in. As to showers and change rooms, again, I think the solution is unisex rooms, where everyone has partitioned stalls with lockable doors, so no one can see anything: https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/good-practice-legal/explainer/2017/08/01/unisex-bathrooms-what-fms-need-know

Not really, backpedaling on the existence of what many see with their own eyes only serves to make the assertion of an agendas nonexistence all the worse. Moving from shared bathrooms to infiltrating women's sports at all levels of competition wasn't an accident and it wasn't just agenda.... it was beautifully planned and magnificently executed to the point that those who supported the premise you now seem to be espousing feel duped for having supported it in the first place. I -suspect- that I've already told you that I -don't- support biological men competing in women's sports if biological women don't want them to. Your imagined unified "trans agenda" crumbles right there. It didn't. You're talking about 2 different actions. One is trying to make it so that trans people have a place to go to the washroom where they don't feel discriminated against. As I've mentioned before, simply making more unisex washrooms solves the problem there. When it comes to sports though, I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that biological men generally do better, which is why I support biological women competing in sports where biological men can't participate.

No, it's the other way around: those people should be more accepting of gender norms. The fact that they lack the self awareness to understand that THEY are not normal and that THEY should be keeping their preferences to themselves ,is telling. What they really need more than anything else, is professional help. I strongly disagree. If a girl wants to be a tomboy and identify as a he for x amount of time, or if a boy wants to play more with girls than with boys and even identify as a she for x amount of time, I think it's society that should be more accepting of both. I firmly believe that by pushing children to conform to gender norms, we are actually pushing them into much more radical things, leading to things such as body dysmorphia, which can then lead to such perceived remedies as hormones/hormone blockers and surgery.

Marvie. All I disagree with is the sex manipulation of pre-adults kids and the indoctrination of kids. Figures that you would prefer to keep kids IGNORANT OF REALITY, so they don't discriminate AGAINST YOU. LMAO Instead you SHAME the ones who FEEL like they're in the WRONG BODY. 🤮 I don't "shame" kids, Tweenkie-Poo. I may pity some...but I don't and won't do anything that interferes with normal growth and health. I think the key word in your second sentence is "normal". The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition, has this as its first definition of the term: ** adjective Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical. ** Source: https://www.wordnik.com/words/normal So tell me, what do you recommend when minors -don't- conform to your standards of normal? To paraphrase Rebound, do you think they should just 'pray the trans away'? I'm not talking about hormones/hormone blockers or surgery, I'm talking about the gender trans identify with. This has been around since before the term transgender. In the past, terms like "tom boy" were used for girls who liked to play more with the boys then the girls. Less endearing terms for boys who liked to play with girls, sissy is one I think I remember. I firmly believe that if we allow children to identify as the gender they like, it will lessen any desire to actually change their body with hormones/hormone blockers and surgery. It's relatively easy to change the gender a person identifies with if they so choose to change their identity back to one that conforms with their biological sex. Hormones/hormon blockers and surgery, on the other hand, can have permanent affects.

Trump certainly has some power in shaping U.S. law, but he's far from the only force. A Los Angeles Times article published yesterday gets into some details of the clash ahead: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-01-23/trumps-rebuke-to-gender-ideology-changes-federal-policy-and-sets-up-clash-with-california

You want trannies to have their own bathrooms, OR you want EVERYONE in the same bathrooms OR you want trannies in women's bathrooms. ALL of these situations favor the trannies and tranny disciples, and nobody else, which is what YOU want. I personally think everyone in the same bathrooms would favour everyone. For starters, I suspect it'd be more economical. But perhaps most importantly, I think it'd help break down this notion that genders are that different. I remember back in high school having a class debate on whether or not the genders were that different. I took the side that they were, with my main argument being that only biological women can get pregnant and only biological men can impregnate. The girl I liked most in the whole school took the stance that the genders weren't that different. I now think she was right. They're not. In the past, there were a lot more schools where only a single gender was allowed. This has been changing. Now, the new trend is that bathrooms are becoming more unisex. I think this trend will continue and I also think it'll be good, for everyone. It's time that we all learn that regardless of what sex and gender a person is, we're all just humans and while we do need both biological sexes to survive as a species, there generally isn't any need to separate said sexes for most things and it can actually be detrimental. I was fortunate to never have been in a school with only one sex, but I have heard of people who were and I haven't heard anyone say they felt it was a better choice then mixed gender schools. I disagree with you, on all counts. If parents think their children can benefit from listening to a drag queen read a story, I think that's fine. I'm reminded of a story where a young girl wanted to play part of a male/female cartoon characdter duo with her father, only she wanted to play the boy and have her father play the girl. The father went along with it and apparently had fun. You may say that he shouldn't have, but I think he may have actually helped his daughter out, in seeing her father play a gender that he generally doesn't play. Above all, I hope we can prevent stories like the one that was brought up here earlier, where a young girl decided to get transgender surgery because she looked up to her brothers a bit more than her sisters, only to regret it later.

Even though I appreciate the polite response it solves little for people predisposed to disagree with you. Perhaps, but I think I've at least managed to point out that there is no over-arching "trans agenda". I support trans people have access to washrooms where they don't feel ostracized, unisex bathrooms being the best fit I think. But I also disagree with some trans women that they should have a right to compete with cisgender women. Well, as you can see, I agree with you to some extent in regards to some trans issues. I also think that some companies have taken DEI way too far, with the apparent idea that "inclusion" should take the place of competence. I think that some companies like Disney has suffered financially for doing this, which I think will help this phenomenom self correct in the future.

Cool, but that doesn't seem to be happening does it? It is in Europe: https://shunshelter.com/article/are-changing-rooms-and-bathrooms-coed-in-europe I have also seen this more often in Canada then when I was young. I suspect it's the same in the U.S., though I only lived there briefly, and a long time ago, so I couldn't say there. The following article seems to think it will become more common though (I'm guessing it's American but I'm not sure): https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/good-practice-legal/explainer/2017/08/01/unisex-bathrooms-what-fms-need-know Psychology Today made an article about it 10 years ago, asking if the concept was too far ahead of its time: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/it-s-man-s-and-woman-s-world/201509/why-some-welcome-unisex-bathrooms-and-some-steer-clear Perhaps for the most part it still is, but I think what will finally make it much more common is the fear of using -either- sex bathroom many transgender people experience: https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-news/transgender-atlantans-tread-carefully-when-entering-public-restrooms/MTEFTXN6KVCERJSYAIFSUWL5MU/ We can do better. Maybe not yet for many places, but eventually.

Cool, but that doesn't seem to be happening does it? From what I can see, it is- https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/general/house-passes-bill-to-ban-biological-men-from-women-s-sports/ar-AA1xfUET If true, they're welcome to their opinion on the matter, I just don't share it.

Well, given your state of mind, anything is possible. lol Pffft -.- In terms of bathroom/locker rooms, please see what I said to Venandi recently. In terms of your notion that I want drag queens to have 'full access' to kids, no idea where you're getting that from. I do believe that parents should be allowed to let drag queens read to their kids if they want.

What the f*ck are you talking about? Denying the trans agenda is not going to kill our species. Those f*ckers really have their hooks in you, don't they. lol You're so used to seeing me as your ideological opponent that you failed to understand what I actually said. Try seeing how we would -agree- on the following statement: ** I think we can agree that biological men and biological women both have some traits that simply can't be compared. Without both, our species would literally die out. ** That goes without saying, comrade. What's your point? The first time I brought it up with you, I was trying to point out that whatever other points we disagree upon, we agree on this. The second time, I was still making that point, as well as the need to be careful not to jump to false conclusions, such as your conclusion that I was suggesting that denying the trans agenda (whatever that means) would kill our species.

I don't see too many objecting to general concepts and expressions of tolerance, in fact, I dare say most people don't care. They consider it none of their business, it doesn't affect them. They may roll their eyes.... but generally speaking it's not the problem. The problem is taking tolerance and acceptance to the next level, to a level of manifest absurdity and using innocuous statements like yours (above) as the ladder to do it. It makes people regret having supported your premise in the first place and resolve not to give you another inch because they know you will convert it into yards. Surely you get the idea that people don't want uncut men with beards and lipstick showering next to their daughters and mowing them down on the soccer pitch... don't you? I suspect you may not yet have seen my post #1235, as I respond to your concerns above. I'll just quote myself in this case, as I know there are no numbers in posts here (I have a spreadsheet where I assign them numbers): ** Alright, as to your concern, unisex showers are like woman's bathrooms- everyone gets their own separate stall so no one's seeing anything: https://sprucebath.com/mixed-genders-showers-benefits-downsides-and-regulations/ [snip] As to women competing in sports, here I do believe that biological women should have the right to compete without biological men, regardless of whether these men are cis or trans gender. Most people know that biological men generally tend to have a marked advantage when it comes to sports, so I think it's only fair that they be exluded from competing with biological women if that's what biological women want. **

As to the rudeness, I agree there's a lot of it on this forum. When it comes to the issue of this thread, I've found it's those on the 'right' who are the ones generally hurling abuse, but I've participated in other threads here where it seems that both sides hurl insults quite a bit. However, to be frank, there's a lot of it in just about any forum I've been to. Moderation can help, but I've found that moderators are humans like everyone else, and sometimes their biases can make it so that people they disagree with politically are unfairly punished. Fortunately, I haven't encountered that in this forum and a few others I'm currently in. As to your comment on age, I think this is the wrong way of looking at it. From what you told me, you could competently do the job that a 19 year old could do. If that's the case, don't you think the real problem is the age restriction?

I did read it... that's why I said: **As soon as I'm 19 again we have a deal.** My concern here was never for myself... none of this hurts me a bit and those hard body chicks who think they're gay men are welcome to shower with me anytime. Aggressive males who identify as women are welcome too, I enjoy that kind of interaction. So, when I say none of this hurts me I'm really not kidding. My concern was always for your mother, sister, daughter (etc) in the shower room, or your aunt who's in prison, young women competing in sports, college girls looking for scholarships.... you get the idea right? Alright, as to your concern, unisex showers are like woman's bathrooms- everyone gets their own separate stall so no one's seeing anything: https://sprucebath.com/mixed-genders-showers-benefits-downsides-and-regulations/ As to prison, the only case I heard of a problem was a trans woman who impregnated 2 women in a women's prison. The sex was consensual, but even consensual sex isn't allowed in women's prisons, so she was removed to a "vulnerable housing unit", where only young men and 3 other trans women are housed: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nj-trans-prisoner-impregnated-2-inmates-transferred-mens-facility-rcna38947 As to women competing in sports, here I do believe that biological women should have the right to compete without biological men, regardless of whether these men are cis or trans gender. Most people know that biological men generally tend to have a marked advantage when it comes to sports, so I think it's only fair that they be exluded from competing with biological women if that's what the biological women want. Finally, as to college girls looking for scholarships, you're going to have to elaborate on the issue there.

What the f*ck are you talking about? Denying the trans agenda is not going to kill our species. You're so used to seeing me as your ideological opponent that you failed to understand what I actually said. Try seeing how we would -agree- on the following statement: ** I think we can agree that biological men and biological women both have some traits that simply can't be compared. Without both, our species would literally die out. **

Well yes they have. Now it's womanly women and manly man. The rest have tailored nether regions. It's actually more complicated than that. Many people don't get any hormones/hormone blockers and surgery and yet still don't conform to gender norms. What I've been arguing is that we should be more accepting of people who don't conform to gender norms, even going so far as accepting they are the opposite gender to their biological sex -without- the need of them to get hormones/hormone blockers and surgery. By doing so, I think we can help curtail the desire to get hormones/hormone blockers and surgery to begin with.

That video supports my argument, not yours. She's talking about the damage you cultists cause when you try to talk kids into the opposite sex. I've -always- had reservations about minors getting hormones/hormone blockers and trans surgery. At this point, I've come to agree with people like Chloe (in the video) that minors simply shouldn't have this done at all. This viewpoint isn't set in stone, but I think she makes some -very- good points. I also think that even many adults may be making the wrong decision to get trans surgery, though I do support their right to choose to do so if they want to. But my -most- important point is, what is driving people to get trans surgery to begin with, regardless of age. Chloe said something in her speech that I think is important- that she looked up more to her brothers than her sisters. I think we can agree that biological men and biological women both have some traits that simply can't be compared. Without both, our species would literally die out.