Hudson Jones
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7 hours ago, Goddess said:
This is true. I went to college with a girl who - neither her nor her parents were born in Palestine, nor ever lived there - but she told everyone she was Palestinian and attended every Pro-Palestine rally there was.
Even if you weren't just making up things in order to push the so-called Palestinian Myth, how is this different than Jews and Israel? Any Jew can get Israeli citizenship by saying they are Jewish. It doesn't matter if they have 0 ties with that region.
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16 hours ago, Bonam said:
Seems reasonable to me. Why should the US keep footing the bill for a fancy club for third world dictators to sit around and discuss how much they dislike the US and Israel in?
Agreed. Why should the US taxpayers pay anything to Egypt, Jordan and Israel? The welfare cheques need to be cut off.
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On 12/19/2017 at 10:53 PM, Bonam said:
That is, it calls for Israel to commit suicide. And you need to ask why Israel would not accept this so called "peace initiative"?
That's what negotiations are all about. From what most of the talks have shown, the Palestinians have accepted that the Palestinians who were driven out of what is now Israel, by the Israeli army and terrorist groups, will not be returning. Except there would be some form of monetary compensation and land.
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4 hours ago, Rue said:
Abbas never made an offer to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
How come you Zionists keep moving the goal post? You always have an excuse not to go forward. You always want a conflict.
It was never about "recognizing Israel as a "Jewish" State.
It's about recognizing the State of Israel.
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4 hours ago, Rue said:
I am calling this individual out again as an absolute falsehood. There was never any offer by any Palestinian let alone the Arab League to recognize Israel as a Jewish state with ANY borders of any kind.
This is precisely why he provides no sources. He has fabricated an out and out falsehood.
Its time this bullshit came to an end.
Seriously?
You type so much about the topic and you don't know about the basic stuff like the Arab League proposal called the Arab Peace Initiative?
Straight outta Wikipedia - Read and learn before you start typing:
The Arab Peace Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السلام العربية), also known as the "Saudi Initiative", is a 10 sentence proposal for an end to the Arab–Israeli conflict that was endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 at the Beirut Summit and re-endorsed at the 2007 Arab League summit and at the 2017 Arab League summit.[1] The initiative calls for normalizing relations between the Arab region and Israel, in exchange for a full withdrawal by Israel from the occupied territories (including East Jerusalem) and a "just settlement" of the Palestinian refugee problem based on UN Resolution 194. The Initiative was initially overshadowed by the Passover Massacre, a major terrorist attack that took place on March 27, 2002, the day before the Initiative was published.[2]
The Israeli government under Ariel Sharon rejected the initiative as a "non-starter".[3] Sharon said the new plan could not be accepted because it would replace UN resolutions 242 and 338, which called for bilateral negotiations.[4] After the renewed Arab League endorsement in 2007, then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert gave a cautious welcome to the plan.[5] In 2009, President Shimon Peres expressed satisfaction at the "u-turn" in the attitudes of Arab states toward peace with Israel as reflected in the Saudi initiative, though he did qualify his comments by saying: "Israel wasn't a partner to the wording of this initiative. Therefore it doesn't have to agree to every word."^
More recently, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed tentative support for the initiative, saying he accepts the "general idea" with significant caveats, specifically its calls for Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights and accept the relocation of millions of Palestinian refugees into Israel.[6]
The Palestinian Authority led by Yasser Arafat immediately embraced the initiative.[7] His successor Mahmoud Abbas also supported the plan and officially asked U.S. President Barack Obama to adopt it as part of his Middle East policy.[8] Islamist political party Hamas, the elected government of the Gaza Strip, is deeply divided,[9]with most factions rejecting the plan.
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1 hour ago, Rue said:
I would expect the comment comparing me to Harvey Weinstein. You show once again when it comes to discussing Israel, you engage in anti Jewish taunts, remarks that suggest because he is a Jew and I am a Jew, and he is clearly an odious individual, that you can throw that kind of comment. It has nothing to do with the state of Israel's existence or the settlement issue and everything to do with you making a slur suggesting because we are both Jewish it makes us one and the same. That is the classic kind of anti semitism I have challenged on this board. Comments that have everything to do with inciting hatred against Jews and nothing to do with discussing the settlement issue.
Your comprehension skills are lacking. The analogy is this: Israel is Weinstein and you are Weisnstein's yes-man. Your support for Israel is unconditional. It doesn't matter what Israel does and who it hurts. Any complaints against Israel and you turn into an attack dog by throwing around your anti-semitism fluff.
QuoteYou also lied. My words are on the forum for all to read. At no time did I state that asking Israel to remove itself from the West Bank is terrorism. That is another in a never ending series of lies from you. People can clearly read what I write.
You use the settlement issue as a cover, a pretext, a lame excuse to piss on Israel. That is what I said. I have never once stated or supported as a long term peace solution an Israeli state on the West Bank despite efforts by you or other anti Israelis trying to suggest that is my position.
Because I criticize Israel's decades long violations, I piss on Israel. What? I can't criticize Israel? Sure, I'm pissing on a country that has been violating the rights of the Palestinians for decades. I can't do that? Of course I can do it.
You want the audience to see my criticism as anti-semitism.
You want to create an atmosphere where Israel cannot be criticized by flipping your anti-semite card. It won't work. Less and less people are intimidated by your theatre.
QuoteWhat I have called you out on is your false use of the Palestinian conflict to piss on all Jews. Yah I know we are all Harvey Weinsteins. Got it.
Just because you say it, it doesn't make it evidence. Your opinion is not evidence. Get over yourself.
After all these years and you have yet to show actual evidence of 'anti-semitism'.
All theatre. All the time.
QuoteNow your comment that Zionism is a cancer that needs to be wiped out is there for all to see. I will repeat it as long as you are on this thread just as I will repeat you exploit the Palestinian conflict. You use it as a front to advance an agenda that has NOTHING to do with Palestinians and everything to do with a form of extreme Muslim violent fundamentalism you champion.
Zionism is a cancer. Just like Wahabism is. Just like any other ideology that is okay with violating others for its own gain.
Israel's current government and its ideology is a problem. A much bigger problem than North Korea. A much bigger problem than Saudi Arabia or Iran. Of those countries, Israel is the only country who, not only has nukes, but it is the only one who has a history of aggression and attacking other countries.
Israel needs to be tamed. It won't happen by the Western governments who are heavily influenced by the lobby groups. It has to happen by the people around the world, through peaceful means and not through terrorism. And it's happening.
The BDS movement is making many of you piss in your pants. It must be difficult watching it grow. Despite all your lobbying efforts.
QuoteYou want to deny that? Lol. You want to deny after the crap you have placed on this board you are not a champion of Hamas, Fatah, anyone and anything who believes in the violent overthrow and taking of Israel and turning it into a Muslim state?
Show me where I have 'championed Hamas and Fatah'.
You can't.
You lie.
Once again, you are doing your theatre act.
QuoteZionism is a cancer that needs to be wiped out. Oh I got it. Just like I got the Harvey Weinstein comment and then you being so lame as to deny you are an anti semite after making the comment.
Run along and misrepresent someone else. My words are there for anyone to read. Like, falsely misrepresent them, all anyone has to do is read them back.
Time for you to listen to yourself, yes-man:
Run along and misrepresent someone else. My words are there for anyone to read.
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Your unconditional love and support for a human rights violator is evident. I guess this is how Harvey Weinstein's yes-men reacted to complaints about Harvey.
You keep repeating that I support terrorist groups, yet you have never been able to show proof of this. Why? Because I don't. But you go ahead and keep repeating it, because that's what the theatre likes to do.
I say, Israel should remove the illegal settlements and illegal occupation and then you come out and announce that my support for international law is support for terrorism. Screw you.
Some of the leading advocates of human rights and critics of Israel's violations of international law against the Palestinians are Jews. Your anti-semite card is old and rotting. Your song and dance and the theater you want to shove down people's throats is failing. Israel is not a victim. They are a terrorist state that continues to violate international law.
Why do you want to know my real name, Rue? What does that have anything to do with my criticism of Israel's violations of international law?
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I'm doing the work for you Altai.
This attack in Egypt plays into the hands of those who are against the opening of the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and Gaza.
Sinai mosque attack derails Gazan hopes of Rafah crossing being opened
Massacre reinforces security concerns cited by Egypt for refusing to allow permanent free passage
As Israel wants to isolate Hamas by punishing the Gazans, the attack and the subsequent derailing of the Fatah/Hamas agreement in regards to the crossing, is an advantage to the Israelis.
However, this is still not evidence that the attack in Egypt was somehow orchestrated by Israel, even though the end results works in Israel's favour.
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Okay, here is some information:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/rafah-border-crossing-close-day-opening-171120081825413.html
Rafah border crossing to remain open for two more days
20 Nov 2017
Gaza's Rafah border crossing with Egypt will remain open for two more days as part of a reconciliation agreement between Fatah and Hamas.
Egypt opened its largely sealed border with Gaza on Saturday for what was initially planned to be three days, but that time period was extended by another two days on Monday.
The opening came after Hamas gave the Palestinian Authority control over the crossing for the first time since 2007.
The Egypt-brokered deal is expected to lead to more regular openings of the Rafah crossing.
The Palestinian interior ministry said about 30,000 Palestinians in Gaza have applied for entry to Egypt in the past few months.
Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip had been sealed since August, and was largely closed for years before that.Question is now, how will this attack effect the border crossing.
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1 hour ago, Altai said:
More information: The attack happens quite close to a border gate that Egypt was planning to open more regulary for Palestinians in recent days.
This is probably a false information, so not an information.Link? You must have something showing that Egypt was planning to open the border more regularly.
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Taylor’s piece here provides some answers to the various questions of how, when and why violence in the Sinai has reached such unprecedented levels, with reference to the terror tracking work of TIMEP.
What is clear but not mentioned here is that when the Egyptian president says that “we will respond strongly” this unfortunately means a continuation of an exclusive security approach which has not only proved to be failing but continues to exacerbate the crisis.
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It's unhealthy to accept so much conspiracy theories without doing any research.
Province of Sinai militants instructed Rawda villagers last week to stop performing Sufi rituals near the mosque where at least 235 were killed in a militant attack on Friday, according to a source in the village that spoke to Mada Masr on condition of anonymity.
The source told Mada Masr that the Sufi sheikh in charge of conducting the rituals in the worshipping space in a building facing the mosque complied with the militants’ demands. He added that locals expected an attack on the building was imminent nonetheless, and that they had closed the road adjacent to the building as a precautionary measure.
Villagers were surprised, however, that the militants who conducted Friday’s attack in the village in Bir al-Abd, 40 km west of the North Sinai capital of Arish, circumvented the roadblock, according to the source.
By Friday evening, families had begun burying victims, according to locals who spoke to Mada Masr. A journalist from North Sinai told Mada Masr that the Armed Forces has barred journalists from photographing the funerals and from entering the Rawda mosque.
According to the source from the village, not all Rawda residents participate in the Sufi rituals in the building adjacent to the mosque, and the village had become a site of refuge for families fleeing the North Sinai cities of Sheikh Zuwayed and Rafah to escape fighting between militants and security forces. The mosque also serves as resting space for travellers on the Arish-Qantara Road, especially on Fridays when cars of travellers are often parked outside the mosque during prayer, the source added.
Rawda is home to the Jaririya Sufi order, one of the largest Sufi orders in North Sinai. The village’s mosque that was targeted on Friday is one of the main mosques affiliated with the order.
The order’s derives its name from Sheikh Eid Abu Jarir — the order’s founder — who hails from Sinai’s Sawarka tribe and the Jarira clan, which resides in the Bir al-Abd area.
The motive behind Friday’s militant attack, which was the deadliest in Egyptian history, remains unclear, and no group has claimed responsibility for it.
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Speaking of spam bot, we see here, again, Rue posting the Israeli government's take on this. The same government who has done what it could in order to delay any progress in following international law. Anything that comes out of the Israeli government has 0 credibility.
This cannot be denied: All governments agree that Israel is in violation of international law with its occupation and the illegal settlements.
Who cares about Hamas' charter? Hamas was not even around when the PLO signed and officially accepted the State of Israel within the green line.
There is ALWAYS an excuse for Israel not to follow international law.
Today I had a meeting with the manager at Superstore, with a petition, requesting for them to remove produce sent from illegal settlements on Palestinian land, marked as if its from Israel. They have temporary put a halt on putting the produce out until they investigate this issue.
BDS is working and it's scaring the international law violators.
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On 11/16/2017 at 5:12 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:
Not true.
No, it's true. Both Canada and Israel have internationally recognized borders but only Israel is occupying another land.
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49 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
The borders of other nations, including those in North America, are an occupation on unceded territory to this day.
Israel is consistently doing the same. So what's the problem ?
Canada has an internationally recognized border and is not occupying another land. Israel has an internationally recognized border and is occupying another land.
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10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Israel is doing exactly what any threatened nation state is expected to do.....vigorously protect its interests.
Israel already has a state and a border.
The occupation is outside its borders.
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While Israel and its mouthpieces try to distract the big elephant in the room, by repeating ridiculous distracting arguments like: "They will not accept Israel as a Jewish State." - like anyone is obligated to do so - we are now decades into the Israeli occupation. The realization of a Palestinian State continues to move further away. Especially with the always increasing illegal settlers in the Palestinian territory, which are over 620,000 now.
Despite the song and dance to the international community, Likud's official platform has been to never allow a Palestinian State and Netanyahu, in 2015, running for re-election, vowed that there would be no Palestinian state on his watch.
Security is another excuse given for the foot dragging by Israel.
Here is an article that looks at Israel's unwillingness to allow a Palestinian State:
what explains Netanyahu’s opposition to Palestinian statehood?
We can only find an answer to this question by widening the scope of our enquiry, and accepting the unpleasant but undeniable fact that opposition to Palestinian sovereignty is a position that has been shared by every single Israeli government, and remains so today, across the political spectrum.
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I think America needs to ban all white guys from having guns, until they can get this figured out.
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On 10/31/2017 at 1:57 PM, Rue said:
No Palestinian leader has ever made an offer to recognize the state of Israel as a Jewish state and live peacefully side by side.
No Palestinian leader is required to recognize Israel as a "Jewish State".
However, Palestinian leaders have accepted Israel as a State. And they are a state. But there is no Palestinian State, because Israel is not interested in allowing one to be formed. Instead, they want to drag this on and on, with b.s. excuses that you continue to post, so that they can continue to annex more Palestinian land.
Your auto-b.s. comments have gotten SO old. Just be honest for once, instead of the excuses: The Zionist government is not interested in allowing a real, viable Palestinian State, as according to and as required by international law.
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On 10/27/2017 at 7:52 AM, Michael Hardner said:
Maybe because they are a relatively stable oil-producing ally in the middle east?
Who financially supports terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS.
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On 10/23/2017 at 5:43 PM, Jariax said:
I'm not saying that the West has treated Muslim countries fairly. Nor do I expect peace in countries that don't allow any mechanism for change. But, the fact is, when we see groups claiming credit for violent attacks around the world, 9/10 times it's Muslims. Other individuals do massive violent attacks (Vegas), but it's not an organized attack by a group, meant to facilitate change.
At the same time, when you see violent attacks by planes, drones, helicopters and other weapons, where more innocent people have been killed, the usual culprits is the West. Just because collateral damage has been normalized in the West, it doesn't mean that it's okay or not part of the equation.
Have you ever thought that perhaps, the brother, sister, cousin, friend of the person who was killed or maimed is not looking for vengeance and this is the only way they're able to fulfill this.
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On 10/21/2017 at 3:33 PM, Jariax said:
While we can quibble over details, and what events constitute terrorism and which don't, I think that most people believe that Muslims are more likely to commit terrorism than other religions.
Many of the countries that are being attacked or are occupied or have puppet dictators at the helm are Muslim countries. When they don't have an army to fight back with, you end up with the type/style of attacks we're seeing. This has nothing to do with anyone's religion.
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On 10/18/2017 at 3:57 PM, taxme said:
You watch too much CNN, MSNBC and CBC. Everything you seem to feel that you know about Trump that is suppose to be all bad is because of what the lying fake and phony left wing liberal media has been dumping in your head. You sure know how to absorb their daily bull chit alright. So sad for you.
Maybe you can have a go at this:
Can you find one thing that Trump has done or even accomplished? How many promises did he make? What has he achieved?
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11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
So you admit that Trump is doing the same as those who have gone before him....this is not news or unexpected. So are they all "f*cking morons" as well ?
Maybe Bush or Reagan were morons. But Trump, he is a belligerent f*cking moron.
As stated before, I don't disagree that the past presidents continued the same system. Trump, however, he has accelerated the process. I have tried finding one good thing he has done for his country or in the world, but all I see is chaos and incompetency.
Can you find one thing that Trump has done or even accomplished? How many promises did he make? What has he achieved? This is what happens when you elect a mail-order steak salesman as your president.
11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:Trump is a threat to the "post WW2 order" that other nations have depended on, but few were willing to pay for.
That's the problem with you Trump supporters. You are in denial. You want to believe that Trump is some rebel who is fighting against the system. Just because he is immature, loud, disrespectful, it doesn't mean that he is a rebel. Have you actually looked at his actions and track record so far?
Didn't he say that he was against military adventures around the world? Why have military operations increased under his watch? Did he not put down the Saudis during the election campaign and then, suddenly, they're his best buds.
11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:If you are a Canadian citizen, then you are part of a fallen empire and all the sins that continue to this day.
Insulting me does not further your argument.
Being a Canadian citizen is a privilege. This privilege does not blind me to what Canada has done in the past and continues to do today. I am happy that we're, at least, going towards the right direction in responding to our sins and I continue to fight to make Canada live up to the standards that it wants to represent itself as.
Why Israel does not want a sovereign Palestinian state
in The Rest of the World
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Can you explain how a Russian Jew, who has never lived in what is now Israel, should be able to live there, while someone whose family has lived in that region for centuries, and who still has land under their name cannot enter Israel?
Did you know there were over 700,000 Palestinians who were driven out of what is now Israel by the Israeli military and terrorist groups such as Irgun? Their properties confiscated and over 500 of their villages were burnt down.These 700,000 Palestinians became refugees and ended up having children in other countries. But these countries do not give them citizenship because they are still waiting to return to their homeland.