Yzermandius19

I don't care what freedom hating Canada considers legal it being legal to infringe on rights doesn't make it a good idea

why should I care?

there is difference between reasonable public health guidelines and orders, and unreasonable public health guidelines and orders vaccine mandates are in the latter camp

that should be up to the business not the government to impose on both customers and businesses who don't care about such things freedom of association > public health silliness

seriously how does one even come to the conclusion that I somehow like Trudeau when my core criticism of O'Toole is that he is just like Trudeau? what an unbelievably stupid line of reasoning to think I somehow have a big preference for one or the other when I am explicitly stating the exact opposite clearly if I'm trashing on O'Toole for being like Trudeau then my opinion of Trudeau has to be low as well otherwise it wouldn't even be a critique of O'Toole at all either I like them both or I don't like either and it's obviously the latter

I don't like Trudeau at all I never voted him and I won't this election either just because I point out O'Toole and the CPC's faults doesn't make me a Trudeau fan boy false dichotomy city

the whiplash from glorified heroes to cartoonish super villains simply because they don't agree with government mandated segregation based on vaccinated status is staggering the cult of the covid doom are all hyper emotional reactionaries with no sense of logic whatsoever

O'Toole wants to spend frivolously too no one wants to spend practically Canadians would never vote for it which is why the CPC isn't offering it Canadians don't even know what practical spending is and they confuse it with frivolous spending see those who think O'Toole is some big fiscally responsible upgrade for a prime example and O'Toole is just giving them what they want all claims of fiscal responsibility from any of the major parties is total horseshit see how all provincial governments with conservatives in charge are spending frivolously despite faking like they are fiscal conservatives, and the CPC are even bigger cucks on big spending than them, if they won the election, they'd be even worse there is no government spending practically in this pandemic, it's all frivolous, and the CPC if elected would be no different you have to be truly naive to think they are somehow going to be any different wishful thinking is a helluva drug

they are in a better position to know what is bright or considerate in a medical context than you

not at all O'Toole is running on spending like a drunken sailor you are confusing differences in rhetoric and optics for differences in policy or governance the Conservatives are simply better at blowing sunshine up your ass, but otherwise governing as Liberals whoop dee doo

they are claiming to be the more competent liberals you know that shitty Trudeau agenda you hate so much? O'Toole wants to give you more of that because the Liberals didn't give you enough of it, which is why the should be voted out and replaced by him, according to him he's not even trying to hide the ball that he's more of the same he's leaning into it

it's still apartheid you just claim the cause is more noble this time as if changing it from along racial lines to medical status lines, makes some huge difference in morality especially when minorities are the groups with the lowest vaccination rates, there is disparite racial impact, just like the Jim Crow laws too impuning the morality of those protesting against that, is asinine

those were stupid too they did not achieve the objective and had massive downsides not worth the minor benefits obvious terrible tradeoff is obvious

the scourge is the people using government mandated segregation to try and force others to behave the way they want the anti-vaxxers are much less of a scourge than that by several orders of magnitude at least they don't support the new Jim Crow laws because the pandemic has turned them into panicky zombies

they can I might not like their decision they may not like mine but we should both be free to make the choice for ourselves regardless of how much the decisions of others piss some people off

but it isn't worth it even with government backing passports aren't going end the pandemic anymore than the vaccines themselves the juice of lower covid deaths and cases are not worth the squeeze of taking away freedoms everyone should be allowed to make their own choices on this without government putting it's thumb on the scales to bully people into violating their own conscience with little tangible benefit and a ton of downside

you can be for something and not for it being mandatory you can be against something and not for it being banned smart people understand this

government mandated vaccine passports are not effective in doing that as even the highest vaccinated nations in the world show, that high vaccination rates doesn't even accomplish that if private business wants to implement these passports voluntarily that is their decision to make not the governments

nope they are the one's hardest hit there are no numbers that show they are the only ones transmitting it the unvaccinated who get sick can easily catch it from someone who is vaccinated the freedoms of the unvaccinated are putting the health of the vaccinated at risk, that is far less true than vice versa but it's a dumb reason to infringe on people's rights either way thing is, it's mostly the vaccinated are pushing for taking the rights away though

no it will be the fault of the people who vote for him not those who don't your logic is ass backwards also as far as protests go, it's the ones following Trudeau around helping him the most not these hospital protests, many of which were organized by the frontline health care workers that were heroes until some of them opposed government mandated segregation based on medical status, and they are now are being thrown under the bus with the "deplorables"

of course the data isn't perfect that does not mean that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated though the data shows that to be flat out a lie despite it's imperfections

do your own homework you playing ostrich to ignore data that doesn't fit your narrative does not dismiss 3. if you are really as genuinely curious about the subject as you claim and are not just pretending to be then you can look it up yourself we already pointed you in the right direction about what nations numbers to look at if that digging leads you to a different conclusion than us, feel free to share it

nailed it

go look at other sources on Israeli numbers, they also don't paint a good picture on vaccinations reducing the spread much at all this is not the only source that clearly shows the vaccinated are still contracting the disease and spreading it therefore singling out the unvaccinated as the main party to blame with this "pandemic of the unvaccinated" crap is obvious propaganda to sell big government power grabs that are totally unnecessary and the juice clearly isn't worth the squeeze

even by that math percentage of population full vaccinated is 84.4% and percentage of covid cases of the fully vaccinated is 83.7% meaning that the vaccinated are still responsible for a helluva lot of covid spread and the idea that only the unvaccinated are spreading the virus is total anti-science horseshit the people claiming this are either completely misinformed or deliberately lying to justify authoritarian government mandates