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Do you engage in lots of discussions on 9-11? Do you hear regular discussions on this? This is a big event, a major event in everyone's lives. Now are you trying to tell me this is a freely, openly, honesty carefree type discussion. As interesting as it is, as important as it is, you haven't joined in. Why?

There's always another contradiction lurking around the corner to solve the contradiction that precedes it. Why would such a perfect being have ever made up such a crazy soap opera story. If you tried to sell this garbage to a US soap opera mogul, he would likely buy it.

Forgive me but I don't think you are being honest. Do you deny that there won't be folks absolutely crushed/devastated when the truth comes out? The folks who are wrapped up in their image that the US is good, kind, benevolent, generous, ... . Why are so many fighting the truth right now? Who in their right mind would think that a PhD professor at the end of a long and brilliant career, a top flight forensic engineer, would throw his whole life away producing a fraudulent scientific study?

I agree, most, or at least many are. I would have to say though, that that number falls precipitously when the discussion is 9-11. Surely, you have noticed this not only here, but in your life. 9-11 is not to be discussed. The first assumption that the vast majority go to is "a truther/a conspiracy ..., all the names that people call others, for one reason, to stop discussion of the topic. Why would thinking folks like you avoid these highly interesting discussions, everyone loves a good mystery - it's because of the fear factor. Why should there be a fear factor in our great society, a land of honesty and candor? Do you really, honeslty think that people who have real questions, people who really want to know would dare to ask in this MLW climate?

I know you know that "gaaaaaaaaa, there's a commie under my bed" doesn't flow from rational people.

Why do you mention this unspeakable thing, yet you jump all over anyone who ever raises it in one of your topics? It's dishonest, and unchristian, to malign someone when you yourself aren't able to address those same issues in any honest manner.

That is an assumption too large.

... to a sweet and loving christian back to fire and brimstone in a flash. I was going to wish you a fond farewell and a happy life, Betsy. Fare thee well and all the best, Betsy.

Someone has obviously had an epiphany. Going from hell fire and brimstone to ... .

Will Ted Haggard, Billy Graham, Tammy 'n what's his name Baker make the kingdom run? How does Mr all perfection order such a miserable, miscreant, evil plan. It doesn't make any sense, but that is the sum total of these tall tales - they make no sense, but still they are those who delude themselves, and what is so much worse delude children.

Who is crying? Most thinking people are delighted that the US has gotten exactly what it deserves.

A more important question arises - why aren't Russians and others welcomed, why would anyone from the bastions of free speech want to exclude anyone from partaking in this divine blessing bestowed on the world?

all of which I swallow with wild abandon and great glee, despite having been lied to innumerable times, ... .

This isn't evidence for god, it's evidence for the incredible gullibility of people, something that is being regularly highlighted these days. The illustration of which, the incredible gullibility, that is, people are fleeing from like a biblical massacre.

Who made the people, "in his image"? Who knew that there was going to be these mega FUs and still proceeded with his divine plan, to ensure that people would rape, murder, behead, dismember alive, garrot, steal from children their livelihood, do all these things and worse to those he made in his image? What time's church?

And a slightly more honest CNN reporter - "... if you can believe that"

Here's a US "news media" reporter telling about the magical passport, all with a straight face.

This should, if folks are honest, lead to some excellent discussions on WTC. Note from the time chart how even this much more highly susceptible to collapse building came down in its partial collapse; it was in bits and pieces, haltingly, spread out over hours, while the twin towers, steel framed high rises, that are not at all susceptible to collapse from fires, both came down at accelerating speeds. Can anyone say, absolutely impossible!

Bush_Cheney makes these "wild ass" accusations, that I am "motivated by a completely different agenda", without describing or proving her allegations, which is her normal operating procedure. Now to her science, which she just states categorically, without any discussion or proof, which is her normal operating procedure. A steel frame building, ie. one framed with humongous steel columns, like the twin towers and WTC7, do not act at all like steel reinforced concrete structures. Everyone knows this intuitively. B_C asserts that "[T]he Windsor Tower fire readily demonstrates that steel framed structures can/do fail when exposed to high temperatures below steel's "melting point". In actuality, it proves the opposite and B_C has a poor grasp of the science of 911 and building science in general, poor research skills or she is knowlegeable and she is advancing these spurious arguments to hide these major crimes. This issue had come up before in this thread, Impact and I discussed it somewhat, both of us pointing up why WT wasn't a good comparison to WTC and B_C was around for that discussion, in point of fact, she was the one who posted the Windsor Tower picture as an example that she still mistakenly believed was a demonstration "that steel framed structures can/do fail when exposed to high temperatures below steel's "melting point". Because this is such a crucial point to the discussion of WTC and the fallen buildings, and to aid in forever banishing such arrant nonsense from these pages, I include the following in its entirety. [Also, it is apparent that there are many who totally ignore pertinent information that is put squarely before their eyes so I can't trust that these same folks will go to a link to see the same highly pertinent information/science.] The WT burned for almost a day, a roaring conflagration. A structure, made of concrete with light steel reinforcing, ie. steel reinforced concrete, structures that are much much more susceptible to collapse from fires and still it remained standing. Read on to see why, which will also tell you just how completely impossible it is that the twin towers collapsed because of fires.

Yup, the magical passport, stronger than a titanium airliner engine. This was one of the "investigations" little gems that was stuffed down the rabbit hole in a hell of a hurry.

What do you reckon happened? WTC7 was a controlled demolition, as were the twin towers. Is it that difficult for you to make logical deductions?

This perfect god made a right mess of his perfect creation when from the outset he knew how it was all going to pan out but still Mr Perfection continued with his grand plan. Wanna buy a bridge?

They have an equal in the USA. And close in the UK, and don't forget Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, ... .

I know all the nonsense. There no need to simply and unthinkingly repeat it. All mankind, because one lady eats a piece of fruit, is condemned to pain and suffering. How infinitely kind of the perfect person? How can this creature be a person, he is supposed to be perfect and we are not, because Lucy ate an apple.

As I have mentioned, how could, why would such an all knowing, all seeing, all perfect creature put such a crazy, nutty, amoral, ... paln into place. It makes no sense whatsoever. He has a plan that ensures there are vast swaths of people, the majority of the world's people destined to live a life of poverty, sickness, hunger, deprivation while his plan ensures a tiny minority has it all. To put it in pedestrian terms - It's simply nuts.