Evening Star Posted December 8, 2012 Report Posted December 8, 2012 I'm surprised that this hasn't come up here yet: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Shock+anger+after+report+surprise+university+funding/7657087/story.html I am no fan of the PQ by any stretch but if nothing else, I really did believe that they valued education. This is a stunning betrayal. Quote
Smallc Posted December 8, 2012 Report Posted December 8, 2012 They have to cut budgets somehow though. There will need to be cuts everywhere. Quote
Guest Posted December 8, 2012 Report Posted December 8, 2012 Obviously the much reviled tuition hikes were necessary. The students will reap, etc. Quote
Evening Star Posted December 9, 2012 Author Report Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) They have to cut budgets somehow though. There will need to be cuts everywhere. Well, sure, but they were elected on a promise that they would be able to maintain uni funding without having to raise tuition. That's what got student/academic support behind them. It does seem that they were being dishonest. As bcsapper says, it does seem now that the hikes were necessary to maintain the existing system (which includes some top universities). (My own position was always that tuition should be kept low but universities should be restructured + fewer people should be admitted to university, especially less practical [edited] programmes, than to colleges and technical schools.) Edited December 9, 2012 by Evening Star Quote
Smallc Posted December 9, 2012 Report Posted December 9, 2012 Well, sure, but they were elected on a promise that they would be able to maintain uni funding without having to raise tuition. That's what got student/academic support behind them. It does seem that they were being dishonest. As bcsapper says, it does seem now that the hikes were necessary to maintain the existing system (which includes some top universities). Yes, and, that's why the PQ should never have won the election. They were clearly being dishonest about the budget position. Quote
jbg Posted December 9, 2012 Report Posted December 9, 2012 They have to cut budgets somehow though. There will need to be cuts everywhere. They didn't want a tuition increase. So what did they expect? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Signals.Cpl Posted December 9, 2012 Report Posted December 9, 2012 So let me get this straight, they didn't want tuition increase and are shocked that when the tuition increase was cancelled the budget was cut to make up for the lost revenue. Are we sure we are talking about people pursuing post-secondary education? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jbg Posted December 9, 2012 Report Posted December 9, 2012 Are we sure we are talking about people pursuing post-secondary education? Either they don't belong in such education as they're blithering idiots or they have an amped-up sense of entitlement. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
login Posted December 13, 2012 Report Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) I could balance their budget without cutting services. The problem is the model of revenue solicitation is all wrong. The basis of student funding is all wrong. Until they set up working systems for this it will be a burdeon. The key is to set up self supporting fund streams rather than directive streams. Also things like including more co-operative education is an important factor. Edited December 13, 2012 by login Quote
Evening Star Posted December 15, 2012 Author Report Posted December 15, 2012 Could you expand? What sort of funding model would you advocate? Quote
Eyrie Posted January 5, 2013 Report Posted January 5, 2013 I could balance their budget without cutting services. The problem is the model of revenue solicitation is all wrong. The basis of student funding is all wrong. Until they set up working systems for this it will be a burdeon. The key is to set up self supporting fund streams rather than directive streams. Also things like including more co-operative education is an important factor. Personally, Login, I think it is a great act of arrogance to think that a since person can do the job of an entire council of people. Yes, I agree that they've made a horrible sacrifice by cutting the education budget, I believe education is an invaluable asset. But I do not think that just one person is more capable than a board of democratically-elected officials. Even though in this case, some deception seemed to be used for that election... But regardless, I would be interested in hearing your plan, if you uphold that you could do better Quote
Mighty AC Posted January 7, 2013 Report Posted January 7, 2013 I await the riots protests. It's winter now so they shouldn't be near as bad. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Bryan Posted January 7, 2013 Report Posted January 7, 2013 Either they don't belong in such education as they're blithering idiots or they have an amped-up sense of entitlement. Those are not mutually exclusive camps. Quote
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