tango Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Tuesday, January 06, 2009 A voice of reason on Gaza The siege in Gaza is likely the most polarizing issue in the news these days. Polarizing or not, though, it's hard to see why either side would change tact if things continue on as they are. Obama summed up best the motives of the Israelis when he said that he would take any action necessary to protect his daughters from rockets being dropped on their house, but with substantial (though nowhere near unanimous) support for their actions, it's hard to see what would motivate Hamas to act differently than it has, either. This is why I'm happy to see Brian Storseth, a Conservative MP for Westlock-St. Paul, standing out from the crowd by calling for not only an end to the launching of rockets by Hamas, but also an end to the blockade of Gaza by Israel. ... http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2...on-on-gaza.html ***** Holy crap! I'll bet Harper is having a 'royal' hissy fit about Storseth straying off message! If Harper is a normal politician, he'll see the tide of public opinion swaying away from supporting Israel, and catch the wave. Hmm ... This will tell the tale ... Is Harper a true ideologue, or just another namby-pamby, flippy-floppy Canadian politician flailing for the winds of public opinion? Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Rue Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Tuesday, January 06, 2009A voice of reason on Gaza The siege in Gaza is likely the most polarizing issue in the news these days. Polarizing or not, though, it's hard to see why either side would change tact if things continue on as they are. Obama summed up best the motives of the Israelis when he said that he would take any action necessary to protect his daughters from rockets being dropped on their house, but with substantial (though nowhere near unanimous) support for their actions, it's hard to see what would motivate Hamas to act differently than it has, either. This is why I'm happy to see Brian Storseth, a Conservative MP for Westlock-St. Paul, standing out from the crowd by calling for not only an end to the launching of rockets by Hamas, but also an end to the blockade of Gaza by Israel. ... http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2...on-on-gaza.html ***** Holy crap! I'll bet Harper is having a 'royal' hissy fit about Storseth straying off message! If Harper is a normal politician, he'll see the tide of public opinion swaying away from supporting Israel, and catch the wave. Hmm ... This will tell the tale ... Is Harper a true ideologue, or just another namby-pamby, flippy-floppy Canadian politician flailing for the winds of public opinion? There would be no embargo if Hamas did not smuggle weapons in and then fire them at Israel. It was Hamas not Israel that sealed the border and forbid Palestinians from going into Israel to work and threatened to kill anyone who did or who could be considered a "collaborator", i.e., someone who expresses the view that Israel must be taken back in its entirety and until that is done, a war of attrition is to be waged in which all citizens of Gaza are part of it. Gaza citizens voted in Hamas because of the extreme coruption of the PLO and seeing all its aid money funnelled into Swiss bank accounts for Arafat's cronies. It was desperate for an honest corupt free government. Hamas has violated that trust and exploited their desperate need for an honest government for its own political agenda, a fundamentalist Muslim theocracy in all of Israel, Jordan and the West Bank. All you have to do is read its manifestoes. Its made no secret of its agenda and its belief that all Gaza citizens are expendable and each one who dies helps the cause. So while I am glad you are happy a politician in Alberta said Israel must stop the embargo and Hamas shooting its missiles, here's a hint, DUH DUH and more DUH. More to the point it is so inane I am suprised it has got your attention. Its like saying when a tire is flat, it needs to be fixed. Quote
kuzadd Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 there would be no embargo, if Hamas would have been Israelis puppet on a string dance puppet dance like fatah Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kimmy Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 there would be no embargo, if Hamas would have been Israelis puppet on a stringdance puppet dance like fatah I think we all know that the rift between Israel and Hamas goes far beyond Hamas having an "independent streak", kuzadd. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Topaz Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 In June '07 Harper was given an award by the BnaiB'rith for supporting the Jewish community and again this past Dec. '08 from Major American Jewish Organization for his and his government support. So how could he do anything else, but support Israel? I'm not saying he's right or wrong in his actions but just bringing out to facts that may lead him for his actions. Hopefully France and Egypt can bring once again a ceasfire between these two nations, even though it will probably be short. Quote
Wild Bill Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 In June '07 Harper was given an award by the BnaiB'rith for supporting the Jewish community and again this past Dec. '08 from Major American Jewish Organization for his and his government support. So how could he do anything else, but support Israel? I'm not saying he's right or wrong in his actions but just bringing out to facts that may lead him for his actions. Hopefully France and Egypt can bring once again a ceasfire between these two nations, even though it will probably be short. If someone killed my daughters by firing random rocket attacks at my town, I would support any and all retaliation, up to and including nuclear! There is no excuse for randomly targeting innocents. Israel kills civilians that get in the way. Hamas makes citizens their primary target. To me, that is quite clear and more than enough reason for me to despise them! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 That constituency is less than 15 kms from me. I for one do not agree with him. Quote
kuzadd Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 I think we all know that the rift between Israel and Hamas goes far beyond Hamas having an "independent streak", kuzadd. -k ah, actually kimmy, we do not "know" that, we are just TOLD that, repeatedly...... just like we were TOLD that hamas broke the ceasefire, but lo and behold, it has come out, as I had made mention of prior to CNN breaking the news story, that is was infact Israel that broke the ceasefire. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 If someone killed my daughters by firing random rocket attacks at my town, I would support any and all retaliation, up to and including nuclear!There is no excuse for randomly targeting innocents. Israel kills civilians that get in the way. Hamas makes citizens their primary target. To me, that is quite clear and more than enough reason for me to despise them! and if someone had occcupied my people for all this time, and stole my land, and killed all my kids and my nieces and nephews in the streets, I may be inclined to lob some rockets over in my occupiers direction, all things being equal. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kimmy Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 In June '07 Harper was given an award by the BnaiB'rith for supporting the Jewish community and again this past Dec. '08 from Major American Jewish Organization for his and his government support. So how could he do anything else, but support Israel? I'm not saying he's right or wrong in his actions but just bringing out to facts that may lead him for his actions. So... Harper's primary motivation in determining policy is to ... obtain awards from Jewish organizations? Was that also what motivated Paul Martin and Jean Chretien? These awards... they are, what... a medallion? A placard? Highly valuable? If giving out awards is such a powerful means of influencing the actions of our leaders, I will have to head down to the trophies and engraving shop and obtain some awards to give out as well. -k {I just might get my wind-powered scooter innovation subsidy yet!} Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 ah, actually kimmy, we do not "know" that, we are just TOLD that, repeatedly......just like we were TOLD that hamas broke the ceasefire, but lo and behold, it has come out, as I had made mention of prior to CNN breaking the news story, that is was infact Israel that broke the ceasefire. Speaking only for myself, I can tell you that I have plenty of tolerance for people with an independent streak, but very little tolerance for people who have both an independent streak and a burning desire to punch me in the nose. This is the distinction the Israelis face in regard to Hamas. That's not a fiction created by western media. You can find any number of statements from Hamas representatives themselves to that effect. Even their new fuzzy-wuzzy philosophy toward Israel, the one that famously retracts calls for Israel's annihilation, still calls for attacks on Israelis. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
KeyStone Posted January 9, 2009 Report Posted January 9, 2009 Tuesday, January 06, 2009A voice of reason on Gaza The siege in Gaza is likely the most polarizing issue in the news these days. Polarizing or not, though, it's hard to see why either side would change tact if things continue on as they are. Obama summed up best the motives of the Israelis when he said that he would take any action necessary to protect his daughters from rockets being dropped on their house, but with substantial (though nowhere near unanimous) support for their actions, it's hard to see what would motivate Hamas to act differently than it has, either. This is why I'm happy to see Brian Storseth, a Conservative MP for Westlock-St. Paul, standing out from the crowd by calling for not only an end to the launching of rockets by Hamas, but also an end to the blockade of Gaza by Israel. ... http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2...on-on-gaza.html ***** Holy crap! I'll bet Harper is having a 'royal' hissy fit about Storseth straying off message! If Harper is a normal politician, he'll see the tide of public opinion swaying away from supporting Israel, and catch the wave. Hmm ... This will tell the tale ... Is Harper a true ideologue, or just another namby-pamby, flippy-floppy Canadian politician flailing for the winds of public opinion? Public support on one issue isn't worth the cost of printing a ballot. People have twenty issues that affect them directly. The only people likely to vote one way or the other because of this are Jews and Arabs. But we all know who fills the coffers come election time. Harper and Iggy will be tripping over themselves to demonstrate who can kiss Israel's ass the cleanest. Quote
dub Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Public support on one issue isn't worth the cost of printing a ballot.People have twenty issues that affect them directly. The only people likely to vote one way or the other because of this are Jews and Arabs. But we all know who fills the coffers come election time. Harper and Iggy will be tripping over themselves to demonstrate who can kiss Israel's ass the cleanest. it will be nice to see the liberals losing even more votes because of iggy's fear of angering the jewish lobby. i haven't checked yet.. but what's the other parties' policy in this conflict. Quote
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