How Canadian Are You?

[Canuck E Stan]

How Canadian Are YOU

Visible-minority immigrants are slower to integrate into Canadian society than their white, European counterparts, and feel less Canadian, suggesting multiculturalism doesn't work as well for non-whites, according to a landmark report.

Added Prof. Reitz: "Multiculturalism doesn't have specific goals and objectives. The majority population thinks too much is being done already, while minorities think the policy lacks credibility."

So much for multicultralism being a model of integration that brings Canadians together.

It is also a warning that Canada, long considered a model of integration, won't be forever immune from the kind of social disruption that has plagued Europe, where marginalized immigrant communities have erupted in discontent, with riots in the Paris suburbs in the fall of 2005.

And the answer is?.....

[cybercoma]

I guess when a group of certain visible minorities kill over 2000 people in one morning by crashing airliners into buildings, some people are a little hesitant to let that go and will blame an entire race/ethnicity and any others that may appear to be of that race/ethnicity.

[mikedavid00]

So much for multicultralism being a model of integration that brings Canadians together.

This is a crisis situation. To be honest, I had no Idea things are this bad with immigrants. They simply don't consider themselves Canadian. These are even people who are BORN HERE and here EARLIER than 1991

Do you identify as Canadian?

Immigrant ___Recent* ___Earlier** __Second Generation

Whites ______21.9% ____53.8% _____78.2%

Chinese _____30.6 ______42.0 _______59.5

South Asian __19.1 ______32.7 _______53.6

Black _______13.9 ______27.2 _______49.6

Other _______17.4 ______32.8 _______60.6

* Arrived in Canada between 1991and 2001 ** Arrived in Canada before 1991

SOURCE: JERRREY G. REITZ AND RUPA BANERJEE

So basically, this shows that the MAJORITY of Immigrants and SECOND GEN don't even consider themselves Canadian.

Hey man, it's their fault. They choose not to date people outside their culture, they segregate, hang out with their own kind. It's natural. ie: conidering themselves 'Italian' before Canadian as many whitnessed on this very forum.

in Montreal this Christmas I went to this south asian girls house. Perfect girl. 28, completely single, good job,, totally single. Never even had a bf. She can't find a guy. Why? Becuase she MUST have someone from her rare 'home' province of Maliali from India. And get this, she's BORN IN CANADA. COMPLETE Montreal, billingual Canadian. She won't even think of dating a 'white guy'. And get this, she wants her husband to ALSO be born in Canada.

So basically, her PRIORITY is that her future husbands PARENTS be from the same PROVINCE in INDIA as HER PARENTS are from, despite the fact that they are BOTH CANADIAN. And just because they watch Bollywood films they THINK they are Indian and do not consider themselves Canadian, despite the fact they can barely speak their parents language or name the Priminister of India! LOL!

[M.Dancer]

uMMM....MATH IS HARD?

iT SHOW % NOT QUANTITIES.....

Be that as it may, it shows that the majority of 2nd generatiion with the exception of Blacks (really, too close to call) consider themselves Canadian.

....on the otherhand, I don't consider you Canadian....But I'm 1st generation

[mikedavid00]

uMMM....MATH IS HARD?

iT SHOW % NOT QUANTITIES.....

Be that as it may, it shows that the majority of 2nd generatiion with the exception of Blacks (really, too close to call) consider themselves Canadian.

....on the otherhand, I don't consider you Canadian....But I'm 1st generation

What are you talking about, 50% of SECOND GEN who are BORN IN CANADA DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES CANADIAN.

That is VERY troubling and I would say this is a time for concern for all Canadians because we are heading down a VERY dangerous path.

[M.Dancer]

EnGrish hard too?

How could you be but born in Canada to be 2nd generation?

What are you talking about, 50% of SECOND GEN who are BORN IN CANADA DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES CANADIAN.

oh boy....

Do you identify as Canadian?

Immigrant _____Second Generation

Whites ___________78.2%

Chinese __________59.5

South Asian _______53.6

Black ____________49.6

Other ____________60.6

Okay...I'm going to use a sophisticated mathematical function here, it's called averaging. I'm going to add up the percentages and divide by the number of categories to get an average of 2nd generation Canadians who identify themselves as canadian.

And the average is.....60.3%

Which is a few % lower than Albertans who feel canadian.....

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear M. Dancer,

EnGrish hard too?

How could you be but born in Canada to be 2nd generation?

QUOTE

What are you talking about, 50% of SECOND GEN who are BORN IN CANADA DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES CANADIAN.

I thought the capital letters explained everything...

That is VERY troubling and I would say this is a time for concern for all Canadians because we are heading down a VERY dangerous path

Lol. This doesn't mean sh!t, nations are going to to be things of the past in the not too distant future. Next thing you know, there will be some sort of crazy demand to consider all people as 'members of the human race', or some such nonsense.

[M.Dancer]

Dear M. Dancer,

EnGrish hard too?

How could you be but born in Canada to be 2nd generation?

QUOTE

What are you talking about, 50% of SECOND GEN who are BORN IN CANADA DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES CANADIAN.

I thought the capital letters explained everything...

I'm sure the numbers are better amongst the 2nd genners who are not born in canada.....

[mikedavid00]

And the average is.....60.3%

Which is a few % lower than Albertans who feel canadian.....

Whites are not supposed ot be included in that average. That was the basis of that article (which you SHOULD actually read by the way).

Please provide a source where Albertan's do not identify themselves as 'Canadian'.

I'm waiting.

[August1991]

Do you identify as Canadian?

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Without context, the question is meaningless. I know many people in Quebec who would answer no to that question in one context (political discussion) but answer yes in another (at a border control).

Two university researchers were looking for a sexy publication and used a long (83 page) 2002 survey conducted by telephone by Statistics Canada with a sample size of 20,000 (what government money will buy).

The Globe & Mail, desperate for attention, then splashed the article all over its front page.

In fact, Statistics Canada posed the question "What is your ethnic or cultural identity?" after numerous questions asking respondents to identify their ancestors' cultural and ethnic origins. This is what is called a push poll. Statscan was deliberately forcing people to identify themselves.

[unfortunately, the pdf dicument doesn't allow cut and paste. You'll have to see the questions for yourself. There were other questions about sense of belonging to various groups on a scale of 1 to 5 but the G & M doesn't seem to have reported these. The nature of the questions implies to me that many immigrants would not answer accurately over the phone.]

MikeDavid, you'll also be interested to note that the G & M article states that white immigrants (82%) are more likely to vote in federal elections than visible minorities (70%).

[mikedavid00]

This doesn't mean sh!t, nations are going to to be things of the past in the not too distant future. Next thing you know, there will be some sort of crazy demand to consider all people as 'members of the human race', or some such nonsense.

Here's some of the responses to that article on the website:

Marcella x from Toronto, Canada writes: Multiculturalism is a failure. Rather than make us all feel part of 'one Canada', it has made many withdraw into their own communities and lose sight of the greater Canada. Rather than bring people together, it has divided us. In truth, multiculturalism is nothing more than a 40 year old cynical Liberal vote buying scheme. It was effective in that task, but not effective in making a better Canada.

Non-hyphenated Canadian from Burlington, Canada writes: When I was in high school in Scarborough, children of Greek and Italian immigrants referred to themselves as 'Greeks' or 'Italians', and WASPs as 'Canadians'. This wasn't imposed on them. Parts of Toronto are called 'Chinatown' and 'Koreatown' by those that live there. There are private schools that teach children in languages other than english and french and cater to specific immigrant communities. Dances, clubs and social clubs call themselves 'Jamaican' or other nationalities. It's not all about Canadian society not allowing immigrants into society, it's often about immigrants not joining our society.

David Le Gallez from Ottawa, Canada writes: Multi-Culturalism is a failed experiment. Europe is now beginning to realize this. How long until Canada realizes it? Every country should have its culture. All those immigrating to that country should expect to integrate to that culture.

S Jain from London UK, Canada writes: I am not surprised and I am glad that we 'visible minorities' are not integrating. Why is the onus on us to integrate? It is the Europeans that came to our countries, colonized and enslaved us. We are under no obligation to integrate and further lose who we are.

As an Indian born and brought up in Canada, I consciously seek to be who I want to be and I will not be 'integrated' into white society. I don't consider myself a Canadian - at present there is no Canadian identity that I can relate to aside from the obvious advantages of holding a Canadian passport..

Most people have not researched our immigration policy. Please take some time to read:

Our immigration policy was litterally hand written by Pierre Trudeau. It was based off an idealistic nature - not economic.

Canad is alone in the fact that it is one of the only countries in the world that just allows people to wander in with no job prospects. About every other country either does not allow immigrants at all, or you must have a work permit through a company sponsorship. This is the reason why immigration does not hurt these economies.

If you speak English, and have a degree, you basically qualify enough points to come to Canada. Despite the facts that you may have no job prospects. People who come here use services that they have not paid into (schooling and healthcare), thus slowly over time we now have the healtchare mess we are in and are taxed at 52%.

What Canada has experiences over the last 20 years is a mass, mass, surge of population from mainly the third world. People from these countries usually import a xenephobic culture that comes with them. Thus, they segregate to their own. Those rare that migrate out East usually integrate much better because they are 'forced' to integrate and speak English, unlike here in Toronto.

Canada has completely saturated it's labor market, devalued it's white collar jobs, and lied to millions of immigrants saying there are jobs here.

We need a complete revamping of our immigration system as supported by the Frasure Instatue. We need to allow people here on work permits only and show they are productive member of society. Then they may apply for a single citizenship.

The side effect of this is probably 10,000 people a year will come to Canada who must be working and paying taxes. Over time, this policy will restore our healtchare, lessen our taxes, and most importantly, bring back the lost white collar jobs for graduating Canadians to improve our quality of life. We are in a crisis situation now.

[M.Dancer]

And the average is.....60.3%

Which is a few % lower than Albertans who feel canadian.....

Whites are not supposed ot be included in that average. That was the basis of that article (which you SHOULD actually read by the way).

Please provide a source where Albertan's do not identify themselves as 'Canadian'.

I'm waiting.

While you are waiting find a round room and sit in the corner.

Whites should not be included? Why? So your little racist screed will work better? Why shouldn't Russian, Italian, Croatian, Greeks and Albanians who may not consider themselves canadian?

Why is it almost always bigots display such bad logic?

[mikedavid00]

While you are waiting find a round room and sit in the corner.

Whites should not be included? Why? So your little racist screed will work better? Why shouldn't Russian, Italian, Croatian, Greeks and Albanians who may not consider themselves canadian?

Why is it almost always bigots display such bad logic?

Libs are all the same - they comment about things that they have not read into and researched.

Almost everything that comes out of Argus's keyboard is correct. It's correct because I can tell in his posts that he's done nesessary research to form his opinions. Geoffery Ricki also.. Sometiems August. The wacko libs simply repeat CBC headlines.

"Canada has an aging population and there will not be enough skilled workers to work all these white collar jobs." - that is a feel good media spin given down from our Libearl gov't and CBC and has now been taken as prophecy.

But you have RESEARCHED this claim? No. You'd rather just repeat the above myth. It's been 20 years now and i'm still waiting for these baby boomers will retire. I know, maybe next year. The info is there. You just have to spend time to educate YOURSELF becuase unlike the US or UK, in Canada there is no functioning media in this country due to the CBC to do this research for you.

You have not even read the article. The BASIS of the article is a Liberal/Sepcial interest slant to try to show that visible minorities are not being treated as fairly as 'white' minorities and thus are less intigrated. This is why you aren't supposed to count the white. Why not READ the damn article?

This was called out several times in the feedback section. It was also called out in the feedback that the title should have been called 'Immigrants show failure to integrate with society'.

[M.Dancer]

Do you identify as Canadian?

Immigrant ___Recent* ___Earlier** __Second Generation

Whites ______21.9% ____53.8% _____78.2%

Chinese _____30.6 ______42.0 _______59.5

South Asian __19.1 ______32.7 _______53.6

Black _______13.9 ______27.2 _______49.6

Other _______17.4 ______32.8 _______60.6

* Arrived in Canada between 1991and 2001 ** Arrived in Canada before 1991

SOURCE: JERRREY G. REITZ AND RUPA BANERJEE[/size][/b][/font]

So basically, this shows that the MAJORITY of Immigrants and SECOND GEN don't even consider themselves Canadian.

Live and die by your own words dude........even if you excude for racism's sake the whites, the average is still 55.82%, so you are still in factual error.

Run along now

[mikedavid00]

Live and die by your own words dude........even if you excude for racism's sake the whites, the average is still 55.82%, so you are still in factual error.

Run along now

Yes sorry. I was 5% off. Regardless if the number is not over 95% then this is troubling.

Again, I'm still waiting for you to show me that Alberatans do not identify themselves as 'Canadian'.

So I'll stick around waiting.

[Saturn]

So basically, this shows that the MAJORITY of Immigrants and SECOND GEN don't even consider themselves Canadian.

Basically, this shows that you don't know what the % sign means. How did you get a high-school diploma?

Hey man, it's their fault. They choose not to date people outside their culture, they segregate, hang out with their own kind. It's natural. ie: conidering themselves 'Italian' before Canadian as many whitnessed on this very forum.

It's your fault and the fault of other xenophobes who treat immigrants like a disease. They choose to date outside of their culture...blah, blah. What? You expect them to want to date KKK members?

[crazymf]

Please provide a source where Albertan's do not identify themselves as 'Canadian'.

I'm waiting.

Umm, I'm Canadian. Have been my whole life +9 months.

The real question is whether Albertans think anybody east of Winnipeg is Canadian.

[Argus]

uMMM....MATH IS HARD?

iT SHOW % NOT QUANTITIES.....

Be that as it may, it shows that the majority of 2nd generatiion with the exception of Blacks (really, too close to call) consider themselves Canadian.

....on the otherhand, I don't consider you Canadian....But I'm 1st generation

You might not consider it an unhappy fact that so many people born here don't consider themselves Canadian, but we Canadians do.

[Argus]

And the average is.....60.3%

Which is a few % lower than Albertans who feel canadian.....

Whites are not supposed ot be included in that average. That was the basis of that article (which you SHOULD actually read by the way).

Please provide a source where Albertan's do not identify themselves as 'Canadian'.

I'm waiting.

While you are waiting find a round room and sit in the corner.

Whites should not be included? Why? So your little racist screed will work better? Why shouldn't Russian, Italian, Croatian, Greeks and Albanians who may not consider themselves canadian?

Why is it almost always bigots display such bad logic?

There is nothing illogical in his concern, or in separating whites from visible minorities given that was the gist of the article.

The concern has always been that Europeans come here, and within a generation or two are as Canadian as anyone else. Some visible minority groups, however, never learn the language, live, work and mate only amongst themselves, consume media from "home", raise their kids in their "home" language, culture and religion, and so never really become any more Canadian than their counterparts at "home".

This concern has become more pronounced, of late, as visible minority members of the Muslim religion have been arrested for planning to attack Canada on behalf of some kind of amorphous solidarity with middle east Muslim political struggles. They identify more with Muslims in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Palestine than with Canadians. This was the same situation with the British born Muslims who attacked the London underground.