PocketRocket Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 So when a 10-Year old girls gets upset about having to take a shower and go to bed, what's the solution??? According to one parent and one Arkansas Police officer, the solution is to taser the kid. Granted, she sounds like a little hellion, but I cannot see that a fully-grown man, who is a cop to boot, cannot subdue a 65-pound kid without resorting to a taser...... http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/728622--cop-tasers-girl-for-resisting-bedtime Officer Dustin Bradshaw was called to the home by a woman complaining that her daughter was being unruly and refusing to go to sleep. Bradshaw wrote that when he arrived at the home, he found Kiara Medlock "balled up in (sic) the floor crying and screaming."After watching her mother attempt to get Kiara into the bathtub with little success, Bradshaw took the girl into the living room and threatened her with jail. That didn't settle things down. At some point, Bradshaw claims Kiara's mother told him to "taser her if I needed to." First of all, a kid throwing a tantrum and/or refusing to bathe is, to me, NOT a reason to call police. Second, a tantrum is, to me, NOT grounds for threatening to jail a kid. This was a purely domestic issue between child and parent. I don't think the cops should even have been called on this one. The mother who suggested tasering the kid is in the same league as this joke of a cop. http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/9828/48/ The child, not surprisingly, "immediately stopped resisting and was placed into handcuffs. She would not walk on her own and I had to carry her to my police car." Good thing she "stopped resisting". Gee. A 10-yr-old girl. If she had NOT stopped resisting, that poor cop could have been maimed.....or worse Did anyone stop and think that perhaps a wee spanking might get the job done??? Quote I need another coffee
Oleg Bach Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 The trend seems to be physically smaller and less intelligent law enforcement. Tazers are just perfect to negotiate terms with people of all kinds that come into contact with law enforcement - You don't have to reason - you don't have to talk much - you take the easy route...Zappp! Job done. Quote
wyly Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 So when a 10-Year old girls gets upset about having to take a shower and go to bed, what's the solution??? According to one parent and one Arkansas Police officer, the solution is to taser the kid. Granted, she sounds like a little hellion, but I cannot see that a fully-grown man, who is a cop to boot, cannot subdue a 65-pound kid without resorting to a taser...... http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/728622--cop-tasers-girl-for-resisting-bedtime First of all, a kid throwing a tantrum and/or refusing to bathe is, to me, NOT a reason to call police. Second, a tantrum is, to me, NOT grounds for threatening to jail a kid. This was a purely domestic issue between child and parent. I don't think the cops should even have been called on this one. The mother who suggested tasering the kid is in the same league as this joke of a cop. http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/9828/48/ Good thing she "stopped resisting". Gee. A 10-yr-old girl. If she had NOT stopped resisting, that poor cop could have been maimed.....or worse Did anyone stop and think that perhaps a wee spanking might get the job done??? Cop should lose his job and face assault charges the mother as an accomplice and the child removed from the home... I had a friend call the police because his 12yr old kid was acting up damaging his garage, he asked the cop to take him away and lock him up, the cop knew what was up and put the kid in the back seat of the cruiser for a half hr and had a talk with him, Jr had a scare thrown into him settled down and then was returned to his dad...worked out well for all involved, good police work... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Oleg Bach Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 Cop should lose his job and face assault charges the mother as an accomplice and the child removed from the home... I had a friend call the police because his 12yr old kid was acting up damaging his garage, he asked the cop to take him away and lock him up, the cop knew what was up and put the kid in the back seat of the cruiser for a half hr and had a talk with him, Jr had a scare thrown into him settled down and then was returned to his dad...worked out well for all involved, good police work... Remembering a long while ago when I got my first place...I had an irritation from shaving and was broke - so I shop lifted some zinc ointment...I was chased along Bloor Street literally leaping over cars to get away from store security..well eventually I gave up and submitted...A cop arrives, a traditional Canadian big Scotish guy...He took me aside and drove me to my place..He wanted to see where I lived - We went up to the room on Huron and he sat me down for a talk...quote....."Now I am going to show you the difference between the bull shit and the bull rushes. He set me straight - I never shop lifted again..I thank that man for taking the time to care. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 Not to justify the cop's actions, but it sounds as if this were more than a case of a child getting upset about having to take a shower and go to bed. Even the father, who doesn't have custody and is very upset over what happened, admits that the child has emotional problems and says that this isn't the first time the mother called the police to take the child to a juvenile facility. I'm guessing the mother already tried spanking the child, but I doubt if a child who would fight a police officer and kick him in the groin would be fazed by a "wee spanking," and anything more would be grounds for the mother to be investigated by child services. Quote
PocketRocket Posted November 24, 2009 Author Report Posted November 24, 2009 Not to justify the cop's actions, but it sounds as if this were more than a case of a child getting upset about having to take a shower and go to bed. Even the father, who doesn't have custody and is very upset over what happened, admits that the child has emotional problems and says that this isn't the first time the mother called the police to take the child to a juvenile facility. Then the kid should be in treatment for these emotional problems before she turns into a violent adult who actually has the strength to do some serious damage to someone. Alternatively, people give their kids Ridalin for no better reason than the kids are hyperactive, or easily distracted. This kid is a poster-child for that drug, or any of many others that are prescribed to kids. However, if a full-grown man cannot take down a 10-yr old kid without a taser, then he always has the option of calling in some backup. I'm sure that 2 or 3 or 4 cops, even Arkansas cops , would have been able to handle her. Tasing a kid of that age is way out of line, UNLESS the kid has pulled a gun or something. I don't believe this cop was at any moment in fear for his life or anything... Perhaps he was thinking outside the box, and hearkening back to some early-psychiatric-style electro-shock therapy??? I'm guessing the mother already tried spanking the child, but I doubt if a child who would fight a police officer and kick him in the groin would be fazed by a "wee spanking," and anything more would be grounds for the mother to be investigated by child services. Well, I said "wee spanking" because if I had said "whollop the brat", I'd have PC-types crawling all over me. Quote I need another coffee
wyly Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Well, I said "wee spanking" because if I had said "whollop the brat", I'd have PC-types crawling all over me. four kids and six spankings over 10 yrs, I regret each time I did it and accept that I was wrong each time... I could have handled it differently every time with better results there was nothing gained by doing it...spanking is absolutely wrong, it's bad parenting... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
PocketRocket Posted November 24, 2009 Author Report Posted November 24, 2009 four kids and six spankings over 10 yrs, I regret each time I did it and accept that I was wrong each time... I could have handled it differently every time with better results there was nothing gained by doing it...spanking is absolutely wrong, it's bad parenting... See what I mean, A.M.??? Quote I need another coffee
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 What do you expect when 55 percent of marriages end in divorce? What do you expect when the patriarchy has been systemically destroyed in the western world - where the state is now the father and husband to millions of woman with children? I know of a few young men who have grown up in this liberal system...They have no ethics or good codes of behaviour - where as the groups of young people that come from nuclear families have class and behave in a reasonable and civilized manner - You wanted fatherless barbarians that you have to use a cattle prod to control - well you have them! I hope you are happy with this half baked social engineering! Quote
GostHacked Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 four kids and six spankings over 10 yrs, I regret each time I did it and accept that I was wrong each time... I could have handled it differently every time with better results there was nothing gained by doing it...spanking is absolutely wrong, it's bad parenting... It is actually needed more than ever. When I did something wrong, I got a spanking. It hurt. You quickly associate pain with having done something bad. Kids these days can call the cops on their parents for child abuse because they were bad and got a spanking. How does one expect kids to respect other authority when they don't even respect the authority of their parents. "Oh you wanna call the cops?? You better call an ambulance first!!" A line some comedian said. Spank away. It is discipline, not child abuse. But that is all in how it is administered. Quote
wyly Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 It is actually needed more than ever. When I did something wrong, I got a spanking. It hurt. You quickly associate pain with having done something bad. Kids these days can call the cops on their parents for child abuse because they were bad and got a spanking. How does one expect kids to respect other authority when they don't even respect the authority of their parents. "Oh you wanna call the cops?? You better call an ambulance first!!" A line some comedian said. Spank away. It is discipline, not child abuse. But that is all in how it is administered. if you discipline an adult like this it's assault but it's ok to beat a child?...you lack parenting skills...the only thing beating kids does is continue the same behaviour in them, it doesn't work beating children has not prevented any from continuing on a destructive path...physical punishment only hardens people... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 See what I mean, A.M.??? not long ago beating and raping your wife was acceptable as well wanna ask AM if she wants to return to those days?... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Parents that beat their children (spank) or are cruel and distant emotionally OR overly materialistic in their approach to family do not fair well..My wife and I never struck our children, nor did we put them though the emotional ringer...my family is very close - Those families that spanked or were mentally cruel have no families in the end. My youngest son just turned twenty - He had a large party and his mother and I attended (sorry about drinking most of the Vodka) - this group of young adults adore the fact that my youngest has parents that do not power trip on him and that love him....When a father or mother are a working type - who have no power in the work place come home - they attempt to gain power by abusing and dominatig their own families..some violently so ---- being a bum paid off...It taught my kids to be independent and work hard for what they wanted..where as my rich older brother - well - his oldest killed himself.....they spanked him with privledge and sack of hard cash. Quote
wyly Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) Parents that beat their children (spank) or are cruel and distant emotionally OR overly materialistic in their approach to family do not fair well..My wife and I never struck our children, nor did we put them though the emotional ringer...my family is very close - Those families that spanked or were mentally cruel have no families in the end. My youngest son just turned twenty - He had a large party and his mother and I attended (sorry about drinking most of the Vodka) - this group of young adults adore the fact that my youngest has parents that do not power trip on him and that love him....When a father or mother are a working type - who have no power in the work place come home - they attempt to gain power by abusing and dominatig their own families..some violently so ---- being a bum paid off...It taught my kids to be independent and work hard for what they wanted..where as my rich older brother - well - his oldest killed himself.....they spanked him with privledge and sack of hard cash. and i can recall friends from my youth who were spanked strapped or beaten and it made no difference, their behaviour never changed,some went onto criminal careers others did not...so if makes no difference and I recall from my uni days studies verify this, why do it at all? ...we're not allowed to beat adults, mental handicapped or animals but it's ok to beat children?...where's the logic in that?...and I have one one of those hellion kids that some would recommend disciplining, I've done that it has no effect, it only makes the situation worse Edited November 24, 2009 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 and i can recall friends from my youth who were spanked strapped or beaten and it made no difference, their behaviour never changed,some went onto criminal careers others did not...so if makes no difference and I recall from my uni days studies verify this, why do it at all? ...we're not allowed to beat adults, mental handicapped or animals but it's ok to beat children?...where's the logic in that?...and I have one one of those hellion kids that some would recommend disciplining, I've done that it has no effect, it only makes the situation worse My youngest is a spoiled little brat of a young adult now just turned twenty - the only reason I can reason with this guy is because I gave him no reason to hate or distrust me..If you leave love intact - you have an avenue of communication ALWAYS AND FOREVER...My father used to tell my mother - You hit them...I won't because they will hate me. When I was eighteen my father died..I pined over him for years - I remember him getting drunk and loud - I remember him being war damaged - I remember him crying - what I remember most about him is that he loved me - and that is what my son will remember about me when I am gone also - that is successful parenting. Quote
wyly Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 My youngest is a spoiled little brat of a young adult now just turned twenty - the only reason I can reason with this guy is because I gave him no reason to hate or distrust me..If you leave love intact - you have an avenue of communication ALWAYS AND FOREVER...My father used to tell my mother - You hit them...I won't because they will hate me. When I was eighteen my father died..I pined over him for years - I remember him getting drunk and loud - I remember him being war damaged - I remember him crying - what I remember most about him is that he loved me - and that is what my son will remember about me when I am gone also - that is successful parenting. lucky you...I only remember the beatings...the only lesson my father taught me was how not to behave as he did...my hellion now 18 has pushed me to the edge numerous times...hopefully we'll get through the next few years and after her adult brain comes online she'll settle down... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Gabriel Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) I think we're all on the same page with respect to this story. There's something very strange about an officer choosing to utilize a taser rather than a more "traditional" restraint considering the party was a ten-year-old girl. How could a taser possible be considered a safer approach to restraining the child through more conventional methods? What kind of police officer is such a wimp as to be unable to manage the girl? I mean, even if she was biting him (which she wasn't), how can you NOT handle a little girl? Stranger even is that the mother of the child seemed to encourage the use of a taser! Very strange story. The cop was treating the girl as if she was some sort of mujahadeen... as if even getting close to the girl entailed high risk to his safety. Edited November 24, 2009 by Gabriel Quote
Argus Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 if you discipline an adult like this it's assault but it's ok to beat a child?... Some supposed adults could use a good beating... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PocketRocket Posted November 25, 2009 Author Report Posted November 25, 2009 not long ago beating and raping your wife was acceptable as well wanna ask AM if she wants to return to those days?... You ask her....she scares me Quote I need another coffee
GostHacked Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 Would you rather get spanked by your parents , or tased by the cops? That girl sounded like she needed a slap, otherwise the mother might not have called the cops. In the end she failed at parenting. Wyly my hellion now 18 has pushed me to the edge numerous times...hopefully we'll get through the next few years and after her adult brain comes online she'll settle down... Sometimes it is better to nip bad behaviour early on in life. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 not long ago beating and raping your wife was acceptable as well wanna ask AM if she wants to return to those days?... You ask her....she scares me Better stay scared, too...... Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 There is a huge difference between a spanking and a beating. I recieved a few spanking when I was a kid, and gave a few as a parent. I respect and love my parents and my kids love and respect me. This cop and this parent are obvious idiots. I stopped giving my kids "spankings" when they were old enough to understand and respond to other methods of discipline. The spankings I did give were never given in anger or intended to cause real physical pain. There is nothing wrong with a little swat on the rear for a toddler to let them know that you mean business. Overuse of this method renders it useless. People should be able to see that a swat on the butt to change a dangerous behaviour is a lot more loving than letting the child continue that behaviour until they get really hurt. Eg: a swat on the butt and a stern "NO" for a kid that insists on using a chair to climb up on the stove can stop the behaviour before the kid burns themself. It also has the pschological effect of making the child recognize that there are consequences for not abiding the parent's authority. I do not advocate beating, strapping, whipping or otherwise abusing a child. Not being able to draw the line, or acting out violently against your child in anger will only make them fear you, and hate you, learn to better hide things from you, and distrust you. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 There is a huge difference between a spanking and a beating. I recieved a few spanking when I was a kid, and gave a few as a parent. I respect and love my parents and my kids love and respect me. This cop and this parent are obvious idiots. I stopped giving my kids "spankings" when they were old enough to understand and respond to other methods of discipline. The spankings I did give were never given in anger or intended to cause real physical pain. There is nothing wrong with a little swat on the rear for a toddler to let them know that you mean business. Overuse of this method renders it useless. People should be able to see that a swat on the butt to change a dangerous behaviour is a lot more loving than letting the child continue that behaviour until they get really hurt. Eg: a swat on the butt and a stern "NO" for a kid that insists on using a chair to climb up on the stove can stop the behaviour before the kid burns themself. It also has the pschological effect of making the child recognize that there are consequences for not abiding the parent's authority. I do not advocate beating, strapping, whipping or otherwise abusing a child. Not being able to draw the line, or acting out violently against your child in anger will only make them fear you, and hate you, learn to better hide things from you, and distrust you. Agreed, that is why I stated it is all in how it is administered. You summed up my feelings quite nicely. Quote
wyly Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 There is a huge difference between a spanking and a beating. I recieved a few spanking when I was a kid, and gave a few as a parent. I respect and love my parents and my kids love and respect me. This cop and this parent are obvious idiots. I stopped giving my kids "spankings" when they were old enough to understand and respond to other methods of discipline. The spankings I did give were never given in anger or intended to cause real physical pain. There is nothing wrong with a little swat on the rear for a toddler to let them know that you mean business. Overuse of this method renders it useless. People should be able to see that a swat on the butt to change a dangerous behaviour is a lot more loving than letting the child continue that behaviour until they get really hurt. Eg: a swat on the butt and a stern "NO" for a kid that insists on using a chair to climb up on the stove can stop the behaviour before the kid burns themself. It also has the pschological effect of making the child recognize that there are consequences for not abiding the parent's authority. I do not advocate beating, strapping, whipping or otherwise abusing a child. Not being able to draw the line, or acting out violently against your child in anger will only make them fear you, and hate you, learn to better hide things from you, and distrust you. by that logic all my kids should be dead or burnt...a good parent makes sure there is no chance of danger to their children, not punishing them after the fact for their negligence...it's better to be there to prevent your toddler from running on the road or the climbing on the stove than spanking them after they've done it...if anyone needs to be spanked it's the parent for neglecting their child in a dangerous situation... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DrGreenthumb Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 by that logic all my kids should be dead or burnt...a good parent makes sure there is no chance of danger to their children, not punishing them after the fact for their negligence...it's better to be there to prevent your toddler from running on the road or the climbing on the stove than spanking them after they've done it...if anyone needs to be spanked it's the parent for neglecting their child in a dangerous situation... what would be the point of spanking them after they had burnt themself? I'd say that burning themself would have already taught them not to touch the stove. The swat on the but is intended to prevent them from climbing on the stove or running into the road when telling them no, or giving them a "time out" has not worked to correct the behaviour. This post sounds pretty stunned. Have you actually raised any children? People with no kids make these kind of moronic statements all the time. No matter how attentive a parent you are kids will still get into things that are dangerous to them. A light swat on the butt that saves them from themselves is not cruelty it is good parenting. Quote
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