Illegal Drug Use in Canada

[bush_cheney2004]

So yeah, I take that back. Everything on your list involved a victim. Pot-smoking still doesn't. I shall continue to whine.

Of course...that's what they do....whine because their "victimless crime" isn't legal. Tough noogies.....

[Guest coot]

Tough noogies.....

I guess I won that debate.

[bush_cheney2004]

I guess I won that debate.

Sure...pot is now legal everywhere in Canada. You can go buy some at Timmy's...LOL!

[shavluk]

I note you deliberately using the word "physically" as opposed to psychologically. I know a woman with three kids, divorced, lives with a major pothead, and she's one herself. They never have any money because they spend it all on pot. The ex sent money for the kids back to school clothes and they spent it on pot. She was fired last week for multiple abcences and poor work habits. Her life is a mess because of pot. Should she go to jail? Hell no. The guy who sells the pot should go to jail, though.

The guy who smuggles or sells coke, crack or heroin should go to a high security work camp - for life - on the first offense.

hahahhahahahha

All you guys are just hilarious , really I cant stop laughing especially the tie in to kids at every turn.

Knives kill more than guns and coincidentally 85%of murder victims know their attacker.

Yes its about saving the children,hahhahhahaha

My son can get cannabis at school cheaper than I pay,,yet cant get alcohol ,,hmm wonder why?

I again say these guys are probably just dry drunks and bullies and beyond reasoning with.

I am not a masochist so I will just kinda group together all of their lies and then respond in one letter.

So far the bold one is taking his hangover from last night out on us plant users because our children may find his guns or knives or some such drivel.

Thanks for the intelligent comments from the intelligent ones.

[Guest coot]

Sure...pot is now legal everywhere in Canada. You can go buy some at Timmy's...LOL!

You're obviously unaware of Canadian law. It's still illegal.

Edited October 6, 2007 by coot

[bush_cheney2004]

You're obviously unaware of Canadian law. It's still illegal.

No! You're kidding! But it's a "victimless crime" dontcha know.

[Guest coot]

But it's a "victimless crime" dontcha know.

Yes, I'm glad to have won you over so well. But there are still victims as a result of criminalization. People who live next door to a drug dealer are obvious victims, just as those who live on a street frequented by prostitutes suffer by their actions. Both these results, however, are from the lack of regulation that is directly caused by criminalization.

[Higgly]

I note you deliberately using the word "physically" as opposed to psychologically. I know a woman with three kids, divorced, lives with a major pothead, and she's one herself. They never have any money because they spend it all on pot. The ex sent money for the kids back to school clothes and they spent it on pot. She was fired last week for multiple abcences and poor work habits. Her life is a mess because of pot. Should she go to jail? Hell no. The guy who sells the pot should go to jail, though.

The guy who smuggles or sells coke, crack or heroin should go to a high security work camp - for life - on the first offense.

There are people whose financial life is in ruins because they are "addicted" to shopping. These people are not addicted, they are habituated. Physical addiction is something different and has a neurochemical etiology.

I agree with you about coke, crack or heroin, but pot is not the same thing at all.

[geoffrey]

Back in July, stats were released on how many arrests and convictions for pot possession there were in Canada.

Many cops say they throw in possession on simple traffic stops for things like a broken traffic light. The traffic light won't get you a criminal record but the simple pot possession does.

From the Canadian Press story.

http://www.thestar.com/article/233760

According to the CP story, only half of people picked up for pot possession get charged. It is inconsistent to the say the least.

The longer CP story is here:

http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/marijuanabusts.html

That's nice that the news story says that, but I haven't found any evidence of that. Most traffic stops don't even end up in tickets, let alone criminal records. Like I said, if you piss a cop off, they are going to throw the book at you. Be cooperative and nothing will ever happen.

Plus, if someone is driving with visable weed in their car, it should be illegal. You can't drive with a 6 pack on your passenger seat, why should it be different for a massive stash of weed. Unless the police officer suspects impairment, he can't search your car without a warrant. It would have to be in open sight.

These people deserve to be charged. Like I said, it seems like most of the convictions when they happen to find large sums of cash or weapons along with it.

www.canlii.org. You can search every criminal case, appeals, ect in the last few years there. I can't find any on simple possession alone.

If your using drugs in your vehicle, you need to go to jail, just like DUI's should be.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, I'm glad to have won you over so well. But there are still victims as a result of criminalization. People who live next door to a drug dealer are obvious victims, just as those who live on a street frequented by prostitutes suffer by their actions. Both these results, however, are from the lack of regulation that is directly caused by criminalization.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either pot is victimless or not....make up your mind.

[old_bold&cold]

First off pot is not victimless. Everyone who smokes pot and gets caught are become victims because they broke the law. Stupid pot smokers just can not see this though. The people killed in the pot gro-ops by rival pot growers are victims of a crime caused directly with the growing of pot. Children have gotten into parents weed and other drugs and have ODed, directly because their parents had an illegal drug in their house. That child is a victim. The three guys north of Cornwal Ont shot each other over a disagreement about shares of a geo-op. Again directly releated to the growing of pot. Two men on trial for murder of a dealer who sold pot and could not pay for the fronted pot. One dead and two more guilty of murder, directly related to the selling and using of pot. I could go on and on. But you as speaking out the wrong end when you say pot is a victimless crime. But as usual you and yours just will not comprehend any of this, probably due to addelled brains from smoking pot. So yes you are another victim of smoking pot. So is Shavluk who thinks he is some kind of green party dream member. He is just another victim of pot and many other hard drugs. He is so adelled that he really thinks he will get people to vote for him, which just shows he is delusional. Another victim as far as I am concerned.

If this was not so funny, I might even take exception to it.

[trex]

More rationalization...only pot deserves victimless status compared to all other public order crimes. Amazing!

no i think the response to this one is obvious... this kind of self destructive behaviour it is not unique to pot and hard drugs, people wreck their lives with alcoholism too. so that is not even the point.

[bush_cheney2004]

no i think the response to this one is obvious... this kind of self destructive behaviour it is not unique to pot and hard drugs, people wreck their lives with alcoholism too. so that is not even the point.

Been there..done that (Prohibition). Alcohol is legal and highly regulated, but people still get convicted of related crimes.

[jdobbin]

That's nice that the news story says that, but I haven't found any evidence of that. Most traffic stops don't even end up in tickets, let alone criminal records. Like I said, if you piss a cop off, they are going to throw the book at you. Be cooperative and nothing will ever happen.

www.canlii.org. You can search every criminal case, appeals, ect in the last few years there. I can't find any on simple possession alone.

If your using drugs in your vehicle, you need to go to jail, just like DUI's should be.

I'm sure that pot possession is something that always has an added charge. "Open alcohol" charge always seems to come with other charges as well.

[trex]

Of course...that's what they do....whine because their "victimless crime" isn't legal. Tough noogies.....

its not "whining", just a discussion of the pros and cons. if enough people are convinced that a law is unjust, they can sign petitions, write their mp, and indicate their displeasure with the law. thats part of the deomocratic process. not, expecting change to come from "on high" heheheh, but through the will of the people. so its not a pointless debate, this is how things can get changed.

for example, if enough people know about certain FACTS, they can make an informed decision when it comes time to vote, where a party takes a position on these issues. so this is an exchange of facts. perhaps these facts make you uncomfortable, but they stand up to criticism. i havent heard anything yet in this debate against pot that cant be argued away, hence your attempt to stifle it. as usual

[Guest coot]

But as usual you and yours just will not comprehend any of this, probably due to addelled brains from smoking pot. So yes you are another victim of smoking pot.

Every instance you cite is an instance where someone is a victim of criminalization or the social cost of criminalization. None of those things can be faulted to the plant itself. So you are making a strong argument for decriminalization, but your adled brain would never catch that.

But why do you assume I smoke pot? I don't, nor do I visit prostitutes. But I believe strongly in the decriminalization of both because I hate to see valuable resources going to waste, people's personal freedom being destroyed, and people being "victimized" by the law itself.

[Guest coot]

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either pot is victimless or not....make up your mind.

You just aren't understanding the difference between victims from criminalization (i.e., the law) and victims from actual pot-smoking.

But speaking of making up your mind, I thought you already conceded that it was a victimless crime?

[capricorn]

no i think the response to this one is obvious... this kind of self destructive behaviour it is not unique to pot and hard drugs, people wreck their lives with alcoholism too. so that is not even the point.

Or behavious that could result in accidents, like working in dangerous occupations, like construction and oil rigs. Life is full of danger and a lot is brought on by human behaviour.

[shavluk]

First off pot is not victimless. Everyone who smokes pot and gets caught are become victims because they broke the law. Stupid pot smokers just can not see this though. The people killed in the pot gro-ops by rival pot growers are victims of a crime caused directly with the growing of pot. Children have gotten into parents weed and other drugs and have ODed, directly because their parents had an illegal drug in their house. That child is a victim. The three guys north of Cornwal Ont shot each other over a disagreement about shares of a geo-op. Again directly releated to the growing of pot. Two men on trial for murder of a dealer who sold pot and could not pay for the fronted pot. One dead and two more guilty of murder, directly related to the selling and using of pot. I could go on and on. But you as speaking out the wrong end when you say pot is a victimless crime. But as usual you and yours just will not comprehend any of this, probably due to addelled brains from smoking pot. So yes you are another victim of smoking pot. So is Shavluk who thinks he is some kind of green party dream member. He is just another victim of pot and many other hard drugs. He is so adelled that he really thinks he will get people to vote for him, which just shows he is delusional. Another victim as far as I am concerned.

If this was not so funny, I might even take exception to it.

Hahahhahha

I missed this pile on the floor,,,, this morning

wow ,,,bad hang over it sounds like? good for you

I could never be as bad for you as you are for you and that thought does comfort me, thank you for your effort last night.

Yeah no kids ever swallowed moms pill from the doctor ,,,, or your bottle cap for that matter as actually that's killed more than cannabis (zero)

at least with cannabis ,,nothing happens.

I tell you what ,,, I just cant have you spewing these kind of things in my friends thread.

I know you wish the drug actually did some damage ,,,we can see you droooooooling looking for one direct death

scouring google university for some scrap to throw at us with your vile bile. oldcold

Oh well just continue to lie or act stupid with your points about those hurt by cannabis,,,wow its worked so far to You.

yeah you forgot the people shot by the police when they crashed the wrong house ,,

yeah they were killed by cannabis were they not?

You know you dont have to fabricate just to say hello ,,oldcold ,,,

hi buddy what are you going to fabricate for a comeback buddy? hahhaha ok so I am in a good mood and was nice to him

[ScottSA]

Anyone who has read Foote's "Boom Bust and Echo" has at least an idea of the dynamic here. The baby boom is in middleage at the moment, and except for the heads who never grew up, no-one really spends a lot of time toking. This of course infuriates the heads, who have managed, after the "medical marijuana" meme fell on its face, to elevate what amounts to a psychological addiction to the status of a virtue, at least in their own THC besotted minds. Having done that, the whole paradigm changes from "I'm just an innocent loser, so let me lose in peace and stop putting me in jail," to "halt in the name of the virtuous New Crusade and stop depriving me of my rights!"

[shavluk]

Yeah just me and 3 of my friends left now,

whew what was I thinking?

Thanks constable your spit in coffee and dunot ing are ready

Lets kill them even ,,as they are so few

I bet would work for you by time I am done.

Just crack another beer and don't catch your sheet on the way out

I just love this place as some of the species here have been extinct in my world for a long time.

Thanks for that warm fuzzzzy

[ScottSA]

Pardon?

[capricorn]

Pardon?

Scott, that comes after the conviction.

[Guest coot]

...no-one really spends a lot of time toking.

Interesting theory. Sounds like you were high when you came up with it. Too bad it's premised on yet another misconception. Tons of people smoke pot. Most of them would never let you know, though, because they wouldn't trust you with information that would allow you to ruin their successful lives. Recent estimates have indicated pot-smokers have doubled in population in the last 10 years. www.sesresearch.com/news/in_the_news/National%20Post%20November%2025%202004.pdf

[shavluk]

Scott, that comes after the conviction.

Touche !! excellent !!