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[trex]

You havent read about Gavin Newsome the San Fran mayor yet? Go read it.

the sad thing about the united snakes is, the feds have overruled any states that have decriminalized, and send in the DEA and ATF to deal with these dengerous medical marijuana users and growers. ahh, money money money! read prison-industrial-complex. oh, make that military-prison-industrial complex.

[ScottSA]

just was reading some news on yahoo canada, and came across some more responses to the outdated ideas of mr. harper-

Group including former Vancouver mayor, judge pan Tory anti-drug strategy

2 hours, 23 minutes ago

By The Canadian Press

VANCOUVER - A coalition of Vancouver health and social groups...

I'll let you in on a little secret. Dimes to dollars the above groups stand to lose funding if Harper's reforms go through, which goes a very very long way towards explaining why they're agin' them. As outdated as Harper's ideas may be, it appears that the newfangled cutting edge ideas of actually supporting drug habits aren't working very well, since the problem is ballooning because of them. Oh I suppose it works ok in employing "counsellors" and various social workers, but it probably ought to try to solve the problem it's supposed to be set up to solve as well...just as a side benefit an' all, you know.

[guyser]

the sad thing about the united snakes is, the feds have overruled any states that have decriminalized, and send in the DEA and ATF to deal with these dengerous medical marijuana users and growers. ahh, money money money! read prison-industrial-complex. oh, make that military-prison-industrial complex.

Well then I guess the feds are dumb since the prolific growth of medical MJ clubs in Cali is booming, and everyone knows they are merely fronts for sales. While they do need a script to buy, getting said script is easy.

United Snakes.....sheesh. Grow up.

[trex]

United Snakes.....sheesh. Grow up.

whoops, just a type-o...

i got mixed up because george bush, and his assistant, the anaconda

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[bush_cheney2004]

the sad thing about the united snakes is, the feds have overruled any states that have decriminalized, and send in the DEA and ATF to deal with these dengerous medical marijuana users and growers. ahh, money money money! read prison-industrial-complex. oh, make that military-prison-industrial complex.

But the great thing is you are still talking on about the "united snakes".... and you don't even live there!

[trex]

But the great thing is you are still talking on about the "united snakes".... and you don't even live there!

sssssss...

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and you love it... gives you a reason d'etre

[trex]

Oh I suppose it works ok in employing "counsellors" and various social workers, but it probably ought to try to solve the problem it's supposed to be set up to solve as well...just as a side benefit an' all, you know.

by that logic you are simply employing more prison guards instead. and when the convict is released, still addicted, now having done time with hardened criminals, bank robbers, rapists. the harm to the individual is greater than the harm he posed to society. then they come out and try to get a job, not much chance. it makes no sense. even financially, it makes more sense to use reform, than prison sentences.

we still allow smoking, knowing full well what it does, and how much it costs the health care system.

you cant make this problem go away, no matter how totalitarian you make the society. an alcoholic has to admit they have a problem to help themselves, and this society is in denial. for most people are addicted in some form of substance abuse, be that tobacco, booze, pills, etc. and yet its ludicrous to say, that they should all be thrown in prison.

prison should only be for the bad boys, for people who are a real threat. in this case, the user is harming themselves, but now society threatens to harm them even more, than the drugs do.

so prevention, yes. education, yes. harm reduction, absolutely. imprisonment? ne pas, Stephen. nes pas. it is a medical problem. your mother is addicted on valium, it is a medical problem. no difference.

[ScottSA]

by that logic you are simply employing more prison guards instead.

It works better.

[old_bold&cold]

Tbud what you posted ahd noithign to do with any nmedical association or organization. It was a group of doctors peading for its use to help Cemo patients and give back appetites. They were not for legalization and definitely were not in support of the rest of what you were saying. Even you must have enough grey matter between your ears to understnad that. Shavluk is well... lets just say he should be acquainted with Mental health care workers, and I think you may benefit from joining him. For one thing, the support for controlled medical marijuana is legal now and after that use, 99% of that support drops off the subject. What the two of you are proposing is nothing short of comedy at its lowest denominator. There is no sense in persisting with you on this as you just do not comprehend anyything.

[trex]

Tbud what you posted ahd noithign to do with any nmedical association or organization. It was a group of doctors peading for its use to help Cemo patients and give back appetites. They were not for legalization and definitely were not in support of the rest of what you were saying. Even you must have enough grey matter between your ears to understnad that. Shavluk is well... lets just say he should be acquainted with Mental health care workers, and I think you may benefit from joining him. For one thing, the support for controlled medical marijuana is legal now and after that use, 99% of that support drops off the subject. What the two of you are proposing is nothing short of comedy at its lowest denominator. There is no sense in persisting with you on this as you just do not comprehend anyything.

i see a lot of dyslexia there, have you been drinking tonight? well i suppose since it is legal to do so, its not a problem then.

look, if you do not want to persist in this discussion anymore, thats entirely up to you.

however i did not attempt to even try and attack or insult you, but the fact that you and certain others here need to resort to that, habitually, says something about your attitude, and your ability to debate issues.

i dont mind discussing a difference of opinion with someone else, but why must you add these kind of remarks to your argument-

"Even you must have enough grey matter between your ears to understnad that."

"There is no sense in persisting with you on this as you just do not comprehend anyything."

they just take away from any valid point you're making, it makes you look like an old fool. so think about that next time, old timer.

so i will let it go this time, because i think you are not sober. as for me, i am sober as usual, and when i wake up tomorrow, wont have any regrets for who and what i am, or what ive said today.

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"Tbud what you posted ahd noithign to do with any nmedical association or organization."

yes i did mention that, i was mistaken that the more than 130 signatures collected from medical professionals, doctors, scientists were not part of an official association.

->"They were not for legalization and definitely were not in support of the rest of what you were saying."

i am in support of what they are saying, and they are saying to treat drug users as a medical problem, not criminal. that is the best approach. that is what i am saying, nothing else.

Edited October 6, 2007 by tbud

[shavluk]

Thank you.

Good bye.

Why are you guys so afraid of any one smoking cannabis?

Do you drink alcohol?

Eat Meat?

USE sugar ?

If the answer is yes to any of the above 3 you cost more to society than I do.

Senator Campbell owes nothing to anyone and is very qualified as a coroner and he says harper is a fool and just blew the election.

You guys don't have to respond to us.

Give me a call when you have terminal cancer and there is no help.

I will see you in other threads and still call you on your bullshit.

And anyone who is offended by my style , well it is not my intent to create enemies,,,, like some other like to do.

[trex]

It works better.

so explain yourself fully then. i have given my reasons for why prison does not work for drug addicts. but you simply saying, "because", has no merit.

[shavluk]

so explain yourself fully then. i have given my reasons for why prison does not work for drug addicts. but you simply saying, "because", has no merit.

It does if he already has his halloween outfit on as he sits alone drinking ,,,,

I guess he puts a mouth hole in besides the two eye holes in that white sheet.

[trex]

It does if he already has his halloween outfit on as he sits alone drinking ,,,,

I guess he puts a mouth hole in besides the two eye holes in that white sheet.

i am raising three teenagers here at home and have to have such incredible patience john... and firm persistence at the same time. although my kids have an excuse... they are young and naive. some are just naive, it seems. but no problem, i will hit them where it hurts... right in the brain pan

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