Election this Fall

[jdobbin]

Have you decided already? Which candidate? Which party? And why?

If you don't know, say so. Tell us why you are undecided.

Do you think these forums are dominated by people supporting one party?

[Michael Bluth]

Have you decided already? Which candidate? Which party? And why?

If you don't know, say so. Tell us why you are undecided.

Do you think these forums are dominated by people supporting one party?

I'll vote Conservative. I believe Stephen Harper is doing a credible job and don't think Stephane Dion or the Liberals are ready for power.

How will you vote original poster?

[Canuck E Stan]

Have you decided already? Which candidate? Which party? And why?

If you don't know, say so. Tell us why you are undecided.

Do you think these forums are dominated by people supporting one party?

I'm undecided.....give me 3 seconds to think about it.

Okay,I've decided already.

Harper.Conservatives.All the others suck.

Dominated by posters supporting one party?

No poster domination here,

more like forums that are dominated by one party postings.

[geoffrey]

I'll spoil my ballot or vote for a wacky independant.

I have to choose between one of the highest spending PM's in history, Harper, and an incompetent idiot (for lack of a better word) in Dion.

Pragmatically, if I had to choose with a gun to my head, I'd likely vote Harper. That said, I don't have a gun to my head so I won't.

Harper is a leader. He's got policies. I do enjoy his focus on results and specific goals/targets. They just tend to be the wrong goals/targets.

Dion is out to lunch. He has no actual policies. I have NEVER heard of a specific we will do X by Y and it will cost Z from him. It's all, Canadians will love me! Canadians will love my social respsonbility, economic prosperity and environmental sustainability.

Well Dion, what the hell does that mean?

I like to know that a car goes fast, but if I'm buying it, I want to know the HP and perhaps the fuel economy.

I'd be unwilling to invest a great sum of money into a car without knowing any specifications (some people would though, alas your typical Liberal voter). I want to compare, contrast between my options.

At least we know what Harper stands for. Dion is just a load of hot air. It'd be interesting to know of his policies, but I've yet to find any evidence of absolutely any specific ideas.

That is the core issue with the Liberal party today. They stand for nothing specific, just a general feel good mentality. Won't get them elected.

Edited October 2, 2007 by geoffrey

[Visionseeker]

My vote is always decided on election day when I place my "X" in the desired circle. That being said, while I have voted Conservative in the past (PC), Harper & Co. have given me little reason to consider them so far.

[Michael Bluth]

Ahhh the fairness of the left.

The OP has repeatedly stated that he doesn't vote Conservative, but won't publicly state his voting preference.

Why?

To make this board look like it's dominated by Conservatives?

I guess it is. Five posters. Two Conservatives, three no stated choice.

[M.Dancer]

I am satidtfied with the Harper Minority Government so I will be voting to keep the Harper Minority. I haven't figured out exactly how to do that yet, so I may just vote the same way as I did last time, Liberal.

Although I can't say that I'm happy with my Liberal member. Her gamble at the Liberal leadership sort of tarnished her in my eyes, I didn't think she was qualified and I wondered why should would try. Lucky for her , her opponent was Kent Brockman and she easily trounced him.

[shavluk]

Myself obviously.

I don't think it would look that good if i didn't have at least my own vote, hahaha

When you have shootings in your Safeway store i want you all to remember i tried to bring reason and improvements to our security by speaking about sane alternatives to the soon forth coming jail program of the harpercrits.

They have 64 million for increased incarcerations but not 3 million for Insite-vancouver's continued survival.

those children living on the streets are citizens ,someone children and also voters.

I obviously realize i will be contributing my time and money for probably nothing but i must still try.

[Michael Bluth]

When you have shootings in your Safeway store i want you all to remember i tried to bring reason and improvements to our security by speaking about sane alternatives to the soon forth coming jail program of the harpercrits.

Yet another non-Conservative voter who won't state their party preference.

Why?

[M.Dancer]

Yet another non-Conservative voter who won't state their party preference.

Why?

He is running for the Green Party in BC.

Google him.....with his record, he may make party history.

[shavluk]

Why thank you dancer I didn't think you were already on our side!

The conservatives who are not too cowardly to admit that they have actually tried cannabis or that their kids have need a place to park their vote and if Harper doesnt want us and plans to jail us ,you bet we will be working to correct this problem in the conservative ranks.

Wish me luck and when your grandson needs twenty grand for his lawyer who then can get the right judge and save his ass also remember what some of us tried to do.

In the end ,noting something like both superpowers gave up in Afghanistan ,,will we , Canada now win?

Only with our sane policy do I see it happening and guess what ? It will eventually happen this way.

By the by my biggest support will come from what was the conservative vote ,just watch.

And thanks again dancer.

[old_bold&cold]

I will vote Conservative. I do think Harper has done a very good job with a minority government, and if the other parties are foolish enough to call an election it will be upon them to do so. The CPC has done a very good job of aligning all its ducks in a row, and the throne speech will be done is such a way that anyone to vote against it, will be voting against the many things that the people want. Harper will be sure not to put any of the so called ultimatum things in the speech, but will make sure that the many things that voters want such as tax cuts and other things in it, in such a way that to vote against it would be very wrong. The other parties could not then make platforms using these as it would be seen as stealling the CPC platform. The politics of all of this will play out very soon, and I will watch with baited breath, as this is really going to be a case of how to out gun opposition while still a minority government.

[M.Dancer]

Why thank you dancer I didn't think you were already on our side!

I'm not.

I think though that an ex con, drug user and topless bar owner would make a fine green candidate.

[jennie]

I'm not.

I think though that an ex con, drug user and topless bar owner would make a fine green candidate.

I am really not sure how I will vote, and I seldom decide before the election is called.

I am a bit surprised that more conservatives are not embracing the small-c conservative Greens, though perhaps it is an urban group of conservatives on here. I know the rural small c's are shifting their allegiance as they are unhappy with Harper muzzling their democratically elected representatives, and they are concerned about urban sprawl on their greenfields.

[M.Dancer]

I am really not sure how I will vote, and I seldom decide before the election is called.

I am a bit surprised that more conservatives are not embracing the small-c conservative Greens, though perhaps it is an urban group of conservatives on here

ummm yeah.........if greens are small c....then the c is communist.

[Michael Bluth]

ummm yeah.........if greens are small c....then the c is communist.

I think it's the "NDP is moderate so anything to the right of us is conservative" mindset.

Interesting how nobody has the gumption to publicly state they are voting NDP or Liberal. Must be because the 'vast majority' of posters here are Conservative.

[M.Dancer]

Interesting how nobody has the gumption to publicly state they are voting NDP or Liberal. Must be because the 'vast majority' of posters here are Conservative.

Say again?

I am satidtfied with the Harper Minority Government so I will be voting to keep the Harper Minority. I haven't figured out exactly how to do that yet, so I may just vote the same way as I did last time, Liberal.

A few posts up......

[Shakeyhands]

I'll be voting Liberal as well.

[Canadian Blue]

The Judean People's Front.

[Canadian Blue]

The Green Party isn't conservative. I think that the whole use of left/right is fairly irrelevant now considering the fact that their are so many different schools of thought with regards to political thought. A good site to check out that gives explainations with regards to political ideology is moral politics.

http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.as...lIdeologies.All

[jennie]

The Green Party isn't conservative. I think that the whole use of left/right is fairly irrelevant now considering the fact that their are so many different schools of thought with regards to political thought. A good site to check out that gives explainations with regards to political ideology is moral politics.

http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.as...lIdeologies.All

-edits-

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/b...2445afa&p=1

The Greens are increasingly small-business owners and engineers, fewer and fewer of what Green leader Frank de Jong himself jokingly calls "nuts, fruits and flakes." (He hit the Citizen's boardroom last Friday.)

De Jong admits he started out as one of them, a music teacher drawn to the party of tree-hugging and year-round sandal-wearing. But he's learned the hard way that people like that, however committed, don't win elections. They've been joined, though, by castoffs and renegades from other parties -- disaffected Tories, mostly, but Liberals and New Democrats, too, who want to make more fundamental changes in the province than those parties advocate.

De Jong speaks convincingly about how government policy encourages a polluting industrial culture. The natural resources we own in common (like clean air and fresh water and, thanks to a quirk of history, most mineral wealth) are practically free for the taking by anyone who can use them, even though they're finite. But with our tax policies, we charge people to be productive -- we tax personal income and corporate profits and impose sales taxes when somebody makes something we want to buy. De Jong describes this as privatizing public wealth and socializing private wealth, and says it drives people and companies to be wasteful with resources and stingy with labour.

As it happens, this is very nearly the same problem the industry-friendly C.D. Howe Institute complained about in a report on tax policy just last week. The institute sees it as a tax-efficiency problem, not an environmental problem, but the solution is the same: cut taxes on production, the institute says, and raise them on consumption and pollution.

The reason I say the Greens are small c conservative is I know they are attracting more of the rural vote, the salt of the earth Canadians who are fiscally conservative, generally church going, and dedicated to the conservation of the land.

The Greens are not a 'lefty' movement, though they have attracted some who thought so. But no ... they are very pragmatic, down to earth problem-solvers who want industry, the economy and the human environment all to flourish, and they are not (yet?) dogmatic about their approach but open to innovation.

Edited October 2, 2007 by jennie

[Canadian Blue]

In generalities I wouldn't consider the Green's a conservative party. I also need more than a few sentences from an editorial to convince me that they are in fact right wing.

[shavluk]

That's not true. Lots of conservatives in the Green Party.

If harper came out and said """" NO PENALTY FOR ADULT USE OF CANNABIS " he would win a majority.

And dancer I already told you that you are nobody , remember, especially if you spend all your time at enmasse.ca

You have no clue about me and what I will do or who is helping me.

Lets have the election before you bash me unless you want me to be reduced to your level of ignorance.

Just ignore me if I intimidate you so much. I understand I really do,hahhhahha

Watch what we do ,what we announce and the proof is in the pudding as all seem to be scrambling to look Green anyway.

I am quite crafty and have some very good people helping me ,just watch.

Thanks for the continued support to raise my post numbers anyway and if you ever want to debate me seriously I am always available.

[jennie]

In generalities I wouldn't consider the Green's a conservative party. I also need more than a few sentences from an editorial to convince me that they are in fact right wing.

Pay attention to the polls: the last one I saw said the Greens are drawing disaffected Tories, who are not as 'fundamentalist' and dogmatic as Harper, and they don't like his co-opting their responsibilities to their constituents.

It looks to me too, see edits above - that the CTF is co-opting Green tax policy ideas too. This isn't an original Green idea, though, it is being discussed internationally as well.

[shavluk]

-edits-

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/b...2445afa&p=1

The Greens are increasingly small-business owners and engineers, fewer and fewer of what Green leader Frank de Jong himself jokingly calls "nuts, fruits and flakes." (He hit the Citizen's boardroom last Friday.)

De Jong admits he started out as one of them, a music teacher drawn to the party of tree-hugging and year-round sandal-wearing. But he's learned the hard way that people like that, however committed, don't win elections. They've been joined, though, by castoffs and renegades from other parties -- disaffected Tories, mostly, but Liberals and New Democrats, too, who want to make more fundamental changes in the province than those parties advocate.

De Jong speaks convincingly about how government policy encourages a polluting industrial culture. The natural resources we own in common (like clean air and fresh water and, thanks to a quirk of history, most mineral wealth) are practically free for the taking by anyone who can use them, even though they're finite. But with our tax policies, we charge people to be productive -- we tax personal income and corporate profits and impose sales taxes when somebody makes something we want to buy. De Jong describes this as privatizing public wealth and socializing private wealth, and says it drives people and companies to be wasteful with resources and stingy with labour.

As it happens, this is very nearly the same problem the industry-friendly C.D. Howe Institute complained about in a report on tax policy just last week. The institute sees it as a tax-efficiency problem, not an environmental problem, but the solution is the same: cut taxes on production, the institute says, and raise them on consumption and pollution.

The reason I say the Greens are small c conservative is I know they are attracting more of the rural vote, the salt of the earth Canadians who are fiscally conservative, generally church going, and dedicated to the conservation of the land.

The Greens are not a 'lefty' movement, though they have attracted some who thought so. But no ... they are very pragmatic, down to earth problem-solvers who want industry, the economy and the human environment all to flourish, and they are not (yet?) dogmatic about their approach but open to innovation.

I completely agree and I am a small business owner myself.

I do bailiff work ( i find and deal with people who don't pay their bills and have big mouths) as well as building a marina and marine store.

We will do well here especially with the previous conservatives approval.

Watch and see.

Dion made a deal and some think we are liberals ,so what ??

We are more than most people here realize.

Edited October 2, 2007 by shavluk