"Death to Canada!"

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Honourable discharge and veteran license plates. Thanks

Did they tell you to turn in your gun? Woops. Rifle?

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Shavluk

I can relate to injustices that have occurred in our justice system, and the costs to defend charter rights that cost $250,000.00 to defend and bankruptcy. I do have a very large hate for those who were in power at that time and yes it burns deep within me. I sought professional help to be able to control my hate and suggest you do the same. I being a biochemical engineer, it was not something I wanted to let eat me into oblivion, but even with help I will always have vast hatred for many government and police agencies. Especially the RCMP. But I can control it and yes I vent sometimes, but you got to get over yourself first and get some help. Guns and rifles are not what I ever feared using, but you seem to be saying that would be your way or experience. I honestly can say that I think you are moore of the product I would have become without help. You need to get yourself some real soon or you may well be digging your own grave. I will not show you sympathy because I do not think you deserve that shame. But I will say I have been there and done that.

[Canadica]

Some boards ask that you introduce yourself with a greeting. Not sure if this one does or not, but just in case lets do that first.

So hello fellow maple leaf members!

This seemed like a highly charged political place so I joined. I also liked that there seems to be a few active and retired miltary types here. I have no military experience, but have a rich family history of military service, and have great respect for the service, servicemen, and military sacrifice.

Seeing as I know Shavluk and Tbud from elsewhere online, I'll single you both out and say hi personally.

Hi guys!

Onto this thread...

Someone mentions how that the USA is not imperialistic.

What does imperialistic mean?

In the broadest sence of definition, imperialism = expansion[ism]. [ism = tendencies therof.]

In reference to nations and their dealings with their neighbours, it means the expansion of economic/social rule into other defined national borders does it not?

In that sense, I find it increadulous that anyone who knows even a little history from the last few hundred [or 25] years could see the US as anything BUT an imperialist nation.

The takeover of economies here and there all over the globe, whether through finance or military, the setting up of new or realigning of existing socio-economic structures to raise them to self-sustaining ecomomy able to create and maintain an industry based on whatever that country has for resourses or skill is the very apitome of imperialism is it not?

Economic imperialism, at times maintained miltarily, but imperialism all the same.

When it is imposed against the will of the existing society of a given country, or if it welcomed by a government at odds with the general population, it is imperialism striving to become an empire.

There are personal attacks against Shavluk Tbud in this thread.

There's attacks on pot smokers, drinkers, and the unemployed in this thread.

There's derogatory references and attacks involving mental illnesses in this thread.

I'll I can say is I have my thoughts on all of this, but may never get around to typing them here, so for now I think it is important to say 2 things:

1.)

That I have read hundreds, perhaps even thousands of Shavluks and Tbuds threads and posts, and my opinion of them is this:

Tbud is a very open minded and has made me stop and think many times. He's perhaps even been responsible for me to re-align my thinking or opinion on any number of given subjects.

I'll say this about Shavluk:

I liked his online personae enough to go out of my way to meet him and his family in person, and having visited and stayed with him off and on for about 2 weeks just this last August, I can say that yes, John is definitely a "hothead." [Whatever that is.] I've been accused of the same thing at times, (haven't we all perhaps) and however it presents itself through John, I can say that what is percieved as anger and bitterness comes from a deep running sense of injustice and a will to make things better for everyone.

I can also vouch for John in that he is in his 50's, and he does have veteran plates.

I will say that it is my opinion that he is definitely ex-military, and that although he is a little rough around the edges, he would make a damn fine political leader, especially in wartime.

2.)

I am of the opinion that it is possible to have great respect for the reasons that anyone would put on a uniform, that it is the ultimate sacrifice, and a very noble thing, but that one can feel this way and still feel that the mission is wrong.

This applies to the men and women of either side in any war in history.

Maybe I'll get around to sharing my thoughts on the other things I mentioned, but dinner's ready, after which I am going to make coffee and roll myself a joint.

Allan Burroughs

100 Mile House BC

Edited October 5, 2007 by Canadica

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Canadica!

its good to have another sensible person around here!

and thanks for you kind words,

[jbg]

Some boards ask that you introduce yourself with a greeting. Not sure if this one does or not, but just in case lets do that first.

Welcome. I think we'll wind up disagreeing more than agreeing, since I'm from the imperialist, expansionist US. I do hope you have an open mind.

Someone mentions how that the USA is not imperialistic.

What does imperialistic mean?

In the broadest sence of definition, imperialism = expansion[ism]. [ism = tendencies therof.]

In reference to nations and their dealings with their neighbours, it means the expansion of economic/social rule into other defined national borders does it not?

In that sense, I find it increadulous that anyone who knows even a little history from the last few hundred [or 25] years could see the US as anything BUT an imperialist nation.

The takeover of economies here and there all over the globe, whether through finance or military, the setting up of new or realigning of existing socio-economic structures to raise them to self-sustaining ecomomy able to create and maintain an industry based on whatever that country has for resourses or skill is the very apitome of imperialism is it not?

Economic imperialism, at times maintained miltarily, but imperialism all the same. When it is imposed against the will of the existing society of a given country, or if it welcomed by a government at odds with the general population, it is imperialism striving to become an empire.

What you're describing is a perhaps undesirable side effect of economic freedom, which overall creates higher standards of living, not for the US alone but for Canada and all nations. Do you really think the US, if it wanted to expand militarily to cover all of North America, couldn't? Unlike the situation with Mexico, Canada would be relatively easy to assimilate. Democracies generally do not invade other countries without good reason though. I know you're going to try to say the US isn't a democracy, and that North Korea and Cuba are workers' paradises. My only response is going to be to show me the people fleeing towards those countries that aren't nuts or criminals (or both).

There are personal attacks against Shavluk Tbud in this thread.

That's a feature of any board, unfortunately.

There's attacks on pot smokers, drinkers, and the unemployed in this thread.

Well deserved. Why should society support negative pathologies?

I'll say this about Shavluk:

I liked his online personae enough to go out of my way to meet him and his family in person, and having visited and stayed with him off and on for about 2 weeks just this last August, I can say that yes, John is definitely a "hothead." [Whatever that is.]

I've met one or two posters from this Board on trips to Canada (and one who came to nearby New Jersey). It's interesting to see how people really are.

[shavluk]

Mr Canadica,,,,

My my my ,,, GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU !!!

Your skin must have crawled like mine did yesterday watching harper talk about the Beatles and his kids.

There are a lot of good people here and just for the record my best friend is an American and this isn't about Americans anyway as more than half of them are just like us.

They sure as hell don't support bush and are as sorry full as us over their leaderships stupidity.

WECOME TO THIS SITE !!! AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS !!!

Edited October 5, 2007 by shavluk

[Canadica]

So we can agree to disagree.

That's a great start to any dialogue in my opinion.

But don't assume.

Don't assume I am against imperialism or it's expansion when that imperialism is a democratic one.

Don't assume that I am Anti-American or pro Korean...

What I am against is imperialism by force and/or imperialism that is corrupt.

There's attacks on pot smokers, drinkers, and the unemployed in this thread.

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Well deserved. Why should society support negative pathologies?

Some pot smokers use pot like some use pain killers. Or alcohol. Or coffee, or cigarettes. All are drugs, all can be used or abused. The only difference between any of them is that some are legal, some are not. Some are physically addictive, one is not. All have stigmas attatched to them...

Some of the unemployed are unemployed without any alternative. Some can't work, some choose not to.

I'm unemployed and so therefore worthy of attack?

What the hell is a "Trudeau mile?" Lol...

[Canadica]

Mr Canadica,,,,

My my my ,,, GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU !!!

Your skin must have crawled like mine did yesterday watching harper talk about the Beatles and his kids.

There are a lot of good people here and just for the record my best friend is an American and this isn't about Americans anyway as more than half of them are just like us.

They sure as hell don't support bush and are as sorry full as us over their leaderships stupidity.

WECOME TO THIS SITE !!! AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS !!!

Mornin' John!

Actually I haven't bothered to watch it yet, just a news clip and an online text of the numbers, we all know what was coming anyways.

But now that you've mentioned that he's attacked Sir Paul and and the other 75% of the fab 4, I'm dying to see it in it's entirety.

Edited October 5, 2007 by Canadica

[AngusThermopyle]

I'm unemployed and so therefore worthy of attack?

I would say that it would depend on your reason for being unemployed actually. Are you unemployed because you suffer a physical or mental problem that prevents employment of any kind? Are you unemployed because you cant find the job you would enjoy doing and wont take anything other than that? Or are you unemployed because you choose to be so and dont want to work?

As you can see there are many reasons to be unemployed and different reasons merit a different response. If its reason number 2 & 3 then don't be surprised at your fair share of rather disparaging comments.

[Canadica]

I would say that it would depend on your reason for being unemployed actually. Are you unemployed because you suffer a physical or mental problem that prevents employment of any kind? Are you unemployed because you cant find the job you would enjoy doing and wont take anything other than that? Or are you unemployed because you choose to be so and dont want to work?

My point exactly.

[capricorn]

My point exactly.

Er, Canadica, what point is that, exactly. I'm unclear.

[jbg]

Er, Canadica, what point is that, exactly. I'm unclear.

I was wondering the same thing.

[shavluk]

I happen to know he will only answer when there is actually 10 of your species at the trap,er post.

Dont touch anything just wait for the rest to show.

OK? OK