"Shut up and fit in"

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

Good grief. How can you obsess over such a minor point? I mean this really is splitting hairs. There are all kinds of groups in our society who try to change things to make society more hospitable to themselves and their culture. Surely you don't think that society should just run on rails never changing until the end of time?

We have a huge media organization which take themselves very seriously.

The headlines they are reading on the radio are "The 'sick' people from Vancouver are holding a raly' etc. It sounds so dumb when the talk about Sikhs because it sound like they are talking about groups of sick people.

What I'm trying to get at, not only are they changing our laws, but they want us to actually conform to their *ACCENTS*.

That is wild and retarted.

But to be really honest, I find the mounty stuff small fries, the helmet stuff small fries, and even the kirpan stuff small fries.

What I find very, very serious are things like:

-Introduction of Shariah law in Ont. and Quebec.

-The talking of putting foot basins to accomidate muslims so they can wash their feet before they pray.

-And finally, the most serious, publically funded, completlely segregated relgious schools

A system where Tory basically said himself that you would have these schools playing sports against each other. That would mean it would be Muslims vs. the Jews. All seperate religions, in seperate ghetto's, and all funded by our tax dollars. When these kids get out of these schools.. wow. ... the next step is to sell portions of Canadian land to other countries and/or seperation. Eventually Muslims will be asking for Mosques in all areas where there are abundance of muslims living because you must walk to mosque by feet.

Muslims vs. Jews. Wow what a great vision of the future in Canada.

Higgly · September 27, 2007

Muslims vs. Jews. Wow what a great vision of the future in Canada.

Happens at the Olympics every four years.

I'm not crazy about the idea of a second legal system myself but I don't see it as a sign of the vandals at the gate. As far as the foot-washing is concerned, well that's their religious custom. So what? Look at all the weird things Catholics do.

I do agree with you about the schools though. I'm with the Civil Liberties Union and the Green Party. Merge the Catholic school system into the public school system and be done with it.

guyser · September 27, 2007

-Introduction of Shariah law in Ont. and Quebec.

Do we have that here?

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

They are NOT your friends trust me. If you were ever to be honest with them they would see that you are not a friend but a hypocrite , a racist one

Lol.. why is it so hard for you to believe that they are my friends? One of the girls in Ottawa.. her Dad was the president of the Gudwara and helped establish the Ottawa Gudwara. This is where all the politics happen. And in her living is a picture of her Dad shaking hands with Jean Chretien. Her Dad wears a turbin too.

She's single too... the reason is because she refuses to marry a non-sikh despite the fact she can barely speak her own language. So she just turns down men due to their skin colour.

You tell me who the racist is?

Just because she's a racist, it doens't mean we're not friends. Just becuase someone is a lefty, doesn't mean I don't like them either.

She's racist and there's nothing I can do to change that. It's her mindset that her parents stoneage culture instilled in her.

We're so close that she might even be MC'ing my wedding.

See guyser as I said, I'm the REAL one who's NOT racist. *IM* the one who is open to other cultures and other things.

But make no mistake, I am NOT the one who's being a racist.

Higgly · September 27, 2007

Do we have that here?

It is supposedly voluntary. Two people can chose to submit their grievance to the Sharia court and if they do, the ruling of that court becomes binding as though it were Ontario law. The catch is that social pressure can be applied to force people to submit to a Sharia court when they might otherwise not want to do so. It's a rocky path.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Higgly

jennie · September 27, 2007

Do we have that here?

No, but it has been discussed.

betsy · September 27, 2007

We are equal when we all play by the same rules.

Absolutely. That's why we've got to have the same rules for everyone!

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

Ha , what a lark that is.You answer what is culture by saying it is white culture.
Kind of like asking why is the sky blue? Oh thats easy son, because it is blue . Oh...ok....thanks. A+ at school huh?

Now answer the question. What is CDN culture? Not who defines it .

Guyser,

People will always define culture. That's the way it has to be. We don't notice the culture so much because we are the culture. Candians think a certain way and do a certain thing and right now people are taking advantage of that and we are now beginnign to realize it. Canadians are socialist people who want a nanny state. Canadians are known to be very 'nice' people.

we have been too nice, for too long, to too many groups and now we're being taken advantage of.

American's aren't as 'nice'. They have no problem telling people where to go if they try to create trouble and disrupt their way of doing things. Don't believe guyser?

Whatch

and it will show you what Americans are about. This is with a LIVE AUDIENCE. I really recommend everyone watch this. It's the few times on TV where they talk about simply recognizing muslmis as they are and specifically screening them. The audience is the best part.

Canadian culture exists, it's just been buried and distracted since the early-mid 1990's. It hasn't been that long but it's been suffering. And recently Quebec culture has gotten their first taste of feeling how it's like to not have the focus on their own culture but accomidatinng other cultures.

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

No, but it has been discussed.

Jennie what is your opinion on Shariah Law:

"As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat her."

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

That's probably because every time it is brought up, no one can come up with a rebuttal. Instead they just avoid having to come up with an actual argument against it by talking about how cliche it is.

Saying that we are all immigrants is false.

it's like calling chicken eggs.

Chickens are not eggs.

(I have an IQ of 136)

guyser · September 27, 2007

American's aren't as 'nice'. They have no problem telling people where to go if they try to create trouble and disrupt their way of doing things. Don't believe guyser?
Whatch

and it will show you what Americans are about. This is with a LIVE AUDIENCE. I really recommend everyone watch this. It's the few times on TV where they talk about simply recognizing muslmis as they are and specifically screening them. The audience is the best part.

Ok I watched the whole thing. And frankly, it neither bolsters your arguement nor anyone elses. The constitution of the USA says all are treated equally. Thus the idea of a muslim line at airports is unconstitutional .

The important point of that video is not to be prejudiced .

Canadian culture exists, it's just been buried and distracted since the early-mid 1990's. It hasn't been that long but it's been suffering. And recently Quebec culture has gotten their first taste of feeling how it's like to not have the focus on their own culture but accomidatinng other cultures.

Ok then , lets put the cards on the table.

What is Canadian culture?

Higgly · September 27, 2007

No, but it has been discussed.

I thought we did. My mistake.

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

Link

He's a coward.

I heard his first radio interview and he did basically tell immigrants to obey our current laws or leave. He cited turbans and hankerchiffs and such.

Now he's saying that he's for turbans and burkas and that he really dind't mean any of that.

He's a coward folding under the pressure.

But he's just what we needed in Canada.

He's especially just what Vancouver needed. I just wish he didn't cave in.

Don't you see, him caving in and cowering out *IS* what is what gets us in trouble while minority groups get their way in 'censoring' him and 'teaching him a lesson'.

That is just wrong.

jefferiah · September 27, 2007

jefferiah the debate about turbans in the RCMP ended YEARS ago. It is OVER!!! There are turbans in the RCMP.
Can you get over the loss and carry on, or are you going to remain stuck on that DEAD issue?

This is what was mentioned in your original post about what this fellow said and it is a perfect example of how Canada is a push-over nation. And I said that was a perfectly reasonable example. Despite your claims that this is not how Canada thinks, I know quite few Canadians who agree with this. I am sure most of my neighbours do, and it seems a good faction of the posters also agree with me. So the point we are making is that this fellow is not such a bad example for having this opinion and speaking it. Why is it so horrible to be of the opinion that immigrants should not come here demanding changes? If someone came to my house with this sort of attitude instead of being respectful, I would say the same thing. Look, if you don't like it, take a hike.

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

You do not have more rights because your linguistic, cultural, ethnic, what have you, group has been here longer. You have no more rights than anybody else. That's what democracy is all about.

You just self defeated your own argument.

The problem to begin with, is that these smaller groups ARE being given more special rights than us in the name of culture and religion.

You just admitted that we agree. That's good.

So if he doesn't want to wear a hard hat when he's building the house, then he is not included on the team and should not expect to build houses.

Also, I used that example of more of an anti immigration rant. I can get itno the size of the house and how he's not really needed or really even contributing because there are too many workers standing around to build the house but I won't go down that road.

Canada can be likened to a house and it's a good analogy to use.

Right now, too many people are trying to build a hourse that is already built.

Now the house is starting to look messed up and is not becoming very liviable.

IT'S TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!!

mikedavid00 · September 27, 2007

This is what was mentioned in your original post about what this fellow said and it is a perfect example of how Canada is a push-over nation. And I said that was a perfectly reasonable example.

You know what the irony of this whole thing is?

Eventually, he let some little Sikh student organization push him over and retract his statements.

The Sikh student was on our local radio station today and he dissed Canadian culture saying all that our culture was, was saying 'eh' and watching hockey. He completely disrespected 'us' on the air, and our radio host and all the callers were AFRAID to say anything to him in fear of what their 'group' might do or who they might complain to.

I mean come on. He's cowered over a student group? Do you know how many Sikh student groups there are in Canada?

I think this radio host was just case in point of who we are becomming and what is wrong with us.

Argus · September 28, 2007

I mentioned being there one evening.

I got the impression you had spent a lot more time on this thing. What did you mean by the phrase "It has been an interesting year and a half"?

What has a job to do with what I do in the evening, and what's it to you?

What has anyone's job got to do with their opinion? You were the one who took the thread in that direction, wondering how mikedavid could be employed.

So what do you do for a living?

Argus · September 28, 2007

Ok then , lets put the cards on the table.
What is Canadian culture?

Why I'm glad you asked.

Canada's culture

ScottSA · September 28, 2007

Why I'm glad you asked.
Canada's culture

Very well written. You should get it published, so I can paste it on the door of every whinging mosque and howling Gurdwara and on lefties' foreheads and...well, anyway, you should get it published.

Shakeyhands · September 28, 2007

Why I'm glad you asked.
Canada's culture

nice, we share alot of experiences. One of my favourite things still is the smell of a wood fire wafting through a cool crisp autumn day.

Not sure how any of that is affected by what we've been talking about though...

jennie · September 28, 2007

I got the impression you had spent a lot more time on this thing. What did you mean by the phrase "It has been an interesting year and a half"?
What has anyone's job got to do with their opinion? You were the one who took the thread in that direction, wondering how mikedavid could be employed.

So what do you do for a living?

I wasn't asking him what he did, just how anyone could stand his judgmental ways.

Your personal question is, of course, inappropriate here, and noted.

Canuck E Stan · September 28, 2007

Why I'm glad you asked.
Canada's culture

I too, am Canadian.

-Nice piece Argus.

jefferiah · September 28, 2007

Yes but Canada is not a house. I could argue that if a certain Jew were to go to a certain person's house, and that person had a rule about yamakas, the Jew might choose not come in.
Is that the kind of Canada we want?

But Canadian law does not forbid people from wearing turbans or yarmulkes or saris or kimonos. However when you work at Wal Mart you dont wear a Sari or Kimono, do you. You can't wear your baseball cap either. Or your favourite hockey team tshirt. You wear the smock. When work is done, you can change back into the kimono, the sari, or the t-shirt. Or you can find a job where they allow you to wear a kimono, etc. Do you see the distinction there, M Dancer. The rules here are not overly demanding. No one is saying turbans are not allowed. But when you are an RCMP you ought to wear the uniform that everyone else must wear. That is not unfair. It is what everyone else must wear on the job. And when work is done, you can change into your normal clothes just like Canadians of all ethnicities do. Simple as that, whether its a tshirt that says Molson Canadian or a Burqa. They have more freedom here than they probably did back there (wherever that is), so there is nothing to complain about.

Edited September 28, 2007 by jefferiah

betsy · September 28, 2007

Canada's culture

That was poignant.

GostHacked · September 28, 2007

I have no problem with what this Allen person said.

I hope I am right in my mind that when people come to Canada, they are looking for a better life.

1. Learn at least ONE of the two official languages.

2. Leave your baggage at the door.

3. Understand that things are different/better here, and that is the reason you came.

4. Don't (EDIT, seems like CA does not like my potty mouth) on your own food plate.

Shut up and fit in, is a great line. Love it. I support it. I really don't care about the turban, the veil, kirpan, ect ect. Mounties wear the standard issue hats. There is a reason you want to become an RCMP, and the uniform is part of it.

Edited September 28, 2007 by GostHacked