Mexicans coming to Canada

M.Dancer · September 28, 2007

I'm talking about the Visigoths crossing the Danube in the 4th century, and comparing it to the legal and illegal immigration into North America.

Goodnes Gracious.....next you will be comparing the invasion on normandy with the police raid of the Branch Davidians......and getting that wrong too.

Canadian Blue · October 1, 2007

Wasn't there a report about this on the Daily Show?

From what I hear a team player in the Edmonton Oilers is part of this Mexican invasion of Canada, I think the name is Jesus Torres. [something that sounds Mexican and threatning]

But all in all I'm all for more immigration from Mexico because I really dig Mexican chicks, all in all it's a win-win situation. I can make money at my business by hiring illegal Mexican's for dirt cheap wages with no benefits, and I make loads of profit. It's capitalism at work, deal with it.

I'm talking about the Visigoths crossing the Danube in the 4th century, and comparing it to the legal and illegal immigration into North America.

When was Mexico not a part of North America?

Edited October 1, 2007 by Canadian Blue

Higgly · October 1, 2007

This whole thing reminds me of the East Germany/West Germany thing. One day the wall came down and... look out!

There is not a lot we can do about this. Maybe it would be a better idea to look into what we might do to bring the Mexican economy into the fold. Why not try to be inclusive instead of exclusive for a change?

Edited October 1, 2007 by Higgly

Topaz · October 1, 2007

Today, Windsor has said it has spent $400,000 of its 1 Mil budget on welfare, on the immigrants from Florida. They are now sending them on to London and then, I'm sure London will send them on to TO when they can no longer carry the load. The Feds just say 200+ people isn't that much but wait until word gets back to Florida and they will come in the thousands to Ontario.

kp186 · October 3, 2007

Personally I think this is a potential time bomb. Look what happened to the crime rate in Miami when the Cubans started pouring in. Do we really want "barrios" like they have in east L.A.? Okay, so most of them are decent hard-working folk just looking for an even break. And Canada isn't the U.S. so maybe we won't have the problems of the big U.S. cities but still, I have a sense of "The Gathering Storm" here. Are we going to have to start putting French AND Spanish on all our labels? We have to draw a line somewhere and control who comes into this country. By the way, my place of employment is mostly immigrant-staffed and I have no problem with that at all. But these people went through the process. I think we should put a strict limit on "economic refugees" considering that our manufacturing sector is mostly going to Asia as it is.

jennie · October 3, 2007

So this is part of the US crackdown on illegals ... who have been living and working in the US for 15 years.

Hmmm ... I think the US has some responsibility here.

I also think it is interesting that they have two offers of work right here!

I expect they can be accommodated in Canada, to go through the process at least. Too bad they can't get a visa during the process ... protecting us from potential terrorists until they clear them, I guess? Apparently it takes them 14 months. :rolleyes:

Edited October 3, 2007 by jennie

kimmy · October 3, 2007

Wasn't there a report about this on the Daily Show?
From what I hear a team player in the Edmonton Oilers is part of this Mexican invasion of Canada, I think the name is Jesus Torres. [something that sounds Mexican and threatning]

Indeed. (click here for shocking video!)

Not Jesus Torres. Raffi Torres. "Raffi" is about as threatening as a name can get, in my opinion.

-k

jennie · October 3, 2007

This is too hilarious! Fromm is too serious! :lol:

Thanks for the lite moment of laughter.

... toooooFnfunny !!! :lol:

booga-booga ... gonna pi$$ on your balcony bonsai :lol:

Edited October 3, 2007 by jennie

guyser · October 3, 2007

Wasn't there a report about this on the Daily Show?
From what I hear a team player in the Edmonton Oilers is part of this Mexican invasion of Canada, I think the name is Jesus Torres. [something that sounds Mexican and threatning]

LOL , it was Raffi Torres and yes, his folks are mexican and moved here some time ago.

It was pretty funny as Dan Bakendhal (sp?) was on the ice interviewing Raffi with a translator on hand, and once she relayed in spanish the question, Raffi answered in English. The rest of the interview was raffi walloping him.

Somehow, our climate might aid in keeping the numbers down.

Rue · October 3, 2007

They're illegal aliens, so I don't see where it is Bush's responsiblity to stop them from going to Canada. They aren't supposed to be in the United States in the first place. Why doesn't Canada just refuse them? Why does Canada accept them, giving them a list of social service organizations to contact for help?

Maybe one of the differences between the US and Canada is we take our constitution a little more seriously. We don't just make a mockery of laws we don't like - we tend to keep following the laws no matter how much we do not like them until we can change them legally.

Don't tell me we should ship them all to Guantanamo right? Out of sight out of mind. Or as George Bush would say- " Constitution no I prefer a Cadillac or when I' tooling around town".

Bah. Yankee Doodle Dandy once again tooting his/her horn and telling us how we must handle things. Thanks.

ScottSA · October 4, 2007

Maybe one of the differences between the US and Canada is we take our constitution a little more seriously. We don't just make a mockery of laws we don't like - we tend to keep following the laws no matter how much we do not like them until we can change them legally.

By allowing the unelected judiciary to make them up on the fly according to the latest "rights" fad.

Edited October 4, 2007 by ScottSA

capricorn · October 4, 2007

According to the Immigration website, these Mexicans/Cubans cannot apply for refugee status here.

Some people are not eligible to claim refugee protection in Canada. You cannot apply if:

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you arrived in Canada, directly or indirectly, from the United States and must comply with the Safe Third Country Agreement (see below);

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Under an agreement with the United States, refugee claimants must seek asylum (protection) in the first safe country where they arrive. For example, if you entered Canada at a land border from the United States, you will not be able to claim refugee protection in Canada. Sometimes there are exceptions (such as those who already have family in Canada). You can find more information about the Safe Third Country Agreement in the Related Links section at the bottom of this page.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp

But ya know, as our courts have said, we're so welcoming and compassionate I'm sure there's room for everybody. :rolleyes:

margrace · October 4, 2007

Whether you approve of immigrants getting jobs here or whatever is said, the bottom line is that our Service industries, especially the big hotel complexes, are suffering a severe shortage of workers. When hotel management from Banff comes down to Ontario to our hotels and tries to entice people to go to work for them there has to be a problem. All our jobs that used to be filled with young people needing work are being staffed by older seniors.

Our government has once again missed the point. You cannot have a group of people such as the Baby boomer retiring in huge numbers and keep the country running. Any person with an iota of sense would have seen this coming but like the people who cut back on health care in the late 80's and 90's there was no concept of future planning. Our area is booming, beautiful houses are being built by the people coming from the south. But wait a minute, in the near future these people will need a lot of services. We do not have them and no plans seem to be in the offing to allow for even such an important item as hospital beds.

What we have is a crisis and no one wants to look at it. What is wrong with Mexican people????

capricorn · October 4, 2007

Whether you approve of immigrants getting jobs here or whatever is said, the bottom line is that our Service industries, especially the big hotel complexes, are suffering a severe shortage of workers. When hotel management from Banff comes down to Ontario to our hotels and tries to entice people to go to work for them there has to be a problem. All our jobs that used to be filled with young people needing work are being staffed by older seniors.
Our government has once again missed the point. You cannot have a group of people such as the Baby boomer retiring in huge numbers and keep the country running. Any person with an iota of sense would have seen this coming but like the people who cut back on health care in the late 80's and 90's there was no concept of future planning. Our area is booming, beautiful houses are being built by the people coming from the south. But wait a minute, in the near future these people will need a lot of services. We do not have them and no plans seem to be in the offing to allow for even such an important item as hospital beds.

What we have is a crisis and no one wants to look at it. What is wrong with Mexican people????

In Ontario, there is no mandatory age of retirement so seniors are fully entitled to work when and where they want.

The province estimates about 4,000 of the 100,000 Ontario residents turning 65 each year will take advantage of the new law.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/retireme...retirement.html

By no means is that "all our jobs" as you infer. I would hardly call this an epidemic of seniors overtaking jobs previously held by younger workers. I also don't think the country will be bankrupted by retiring baby boomers. Retirees contribute immensely to our economy. All you have to do is pay attention to commercials and advertising that appeal to older Canadians. Many of them have the bucks and do their fair share of shopping and consuming.

Actually, the government did anticipate the rush of retirees. One measure taken was to reduce Canada Pension benefits in the late 80s to ensure the viability of the plan.

An emerging trend in this country is to blame economic and health care ills on seniors. It's becoming fashionable to point the finger at that demographic. It's the Canadian way to blame an identifiable group and to ignore the overall shortcomings of our legislation and related processes.

I'm all for immigration. Yet, we cannot and should not fix the problem of a vacant employee pool by fast tracking potential workers who arrive here by the back door. There is nothing "wrong" with Mexicans. It is the way they are admitted to the country that is wrong.

guyser · October 4, 2007

Maybe one of the differences between the US and Canada is we take our constitution a little more seriously.

You think so Rue ? I would put it the other way around for sure. I am betting most American kids can recite most of the constitution in the US , but I doubt our own kids could do the same for the R's&C .

M.Dancer · October 4, 2007

You think so Rue ? I would put it the other way around for sure. I am betting most American kids can recite most of the constitution in the US , but I doubt our own kids could do the same for the R's&C .

Maybe the premable but the rest........

Go ahead Johnny, recite Article 1 section 2......

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment..

ScottSA · October 4, 2007

Maybe the premable but the rest........
Go ahead Johnny, recite Article 1 section 2......

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment..

As opposed to the Canadian one:

"everyone is equal except for some, who are slightly more equal than others, and others, who are especially equal because they are like women or those who boink each other in the like bum and stuff..."

guyser · October 4, 2007

Maybe the premable but the rest........

Ha...good point.

Allow me to clarify, I would think the Amendments to the Const would be recited with some degree of accuracy by a majority of US school kids.

But as for what you posted.....er ...Nope !

jawapunk · October 5, 2007

Someone mentioned a depession to wages earned on the oil sands etc... I think you'll find that mexican immigrants who can't speak english wil take more jobs in the service (fast food), the same ones that no one else will take. I could be wrong, also with far more restrictions and enforcement, I can't see them only earning pennies regardless of where they work outside of agriculture.

Agaric · October 18, 2007

Since the US doesn't want the Mexicans in their country they are telling them that $400.00 will get them from Florida to Canada or Southern Ontario and its just a matter of time before B.C. and Alberta gets their share of them. Right now its costing Windsor, $200,000 daily to keep these people in hotels and the Mayor is asking Harper, where's the money or help send these people back to the US and talk to your friend Bush to stop this on his side of the border! What's your thoughts??

We need immigrants just to keep our economy afloat, I say invite them in, but we need to guide them to integrate fully with our society, helping them get homes in average, middle class Canada will get them faster acquainted with our culture, they will make Canadian friends and integrate better into our society, if we dont do this they will naturally seperate from the rest of our society, form smaller groups, shun those they dont feel initially comfortable with and after awhile this will cause lots of conflict ...

Let them in but work with all immigrants to integrate them better into Canadian society ...

ScottSA · October 18, 2007

We need immigrants just to keep our economy afloat,

Wrong. Utter hogwash. This is a myth that's unquestionably accepted and bounced around as a truism. Even if it were true, and it's not, what does that say about our own society? Shouldn't THAT be addressed long before we start importing third world trouble?

Agaric · October 18, 2007

Wrong. Utter hogwash. This is a myth that's unquestionably accepted and bounced around as a truism. Even if it were true, and it's not, what does that say about our own society? Shouldn't THAT be addressed long before we start importing third world trouble?

Third world trouble !??!?! Oh man ...

So apparently immigrants from Mexico are "3rd world trouble", talk about bigotry! I think u missed ur bus to the 16th century!

Well right there I can tell your ability to properly analyze the situation is very "simple" and you already have your mind made up about who immigrants are and what they are, its pretty sad but you are conservative (from what I can tell).

Our economy needs to grow and our population growth isent keeping up, we have lots of space to grow into, if we want to fuel that growth we need to build upon whats already there, unless we all start having lots of kids we are going to need to bring in other ppl, nothing wrong with that inherently.

What it says is eventually immigration will plateau and we will have to reorganize some things, thats all it says ...

ScottSA · October 19, 2007

Third world trouble !??!?! Oh man ...
So apparently immigrants from Mexico are "3rd world trouble", talk about bigotry! I think u missed ur bus to the 16th century!

What word is "ur"? And yes, Mexico is third world. Have u evr bn thr? You might glorify it by calling it 2nd world, but if you've seen the barrancas outside Mexico DF, even that would be quite a stretch. As pleasant as I'm sure your lilly white PCness, apparently grounded in 100% new and improved total ignorance of world affairs is, it realy doesn't have much to do with reality.

Edited October 19, 2007 by ScottSA

Agaric · October 19, 2007

What word is "ur"? And yes, Mexico is third world. Have u evr bn thr? You might glorify it by calling it 2nd world, but if you've seen the barrancas outside Mexico DF, even that would be quite a stretch. As pleasant as I'm sure your lilly white PCness, apparently grounded in 100% new and improved total ignorance of world affairs is, it realy doesn't have much to do with reality.

Well first off mexicans arent "trouble" as u stated, immigrants arent "trouble" and yes, depending on where in Mexico they are from they can live a 3rd world existence but thats not what u said, you painted any Mexican that wanted to come to Canada as "third world TROUBLE", those are your words, not mine, I am not a bigot, you apparently have ur mind made up about immigrants ...

ScottSA · October 19, 2007

Well first off mexicans arent "trouble" as u stated, immigrants arent "trouble" and yes, depending on where in Mexico they are from they can live a 3rd world existence but thats not what u said, you painted any Mexican that wanted to come to Canada as "third world TROUBLE", those are your words, not mine, I am not a bigot, you apparently have ur mind made up about immigrants ...

ur right i have my mnd mad up abt immigrants. Mexico happens to be a third world country, given that it fulfills all the criteria of a third world country, whether you like it or not. Yes, immigrants are trouble, and for the most part far more trouble than they're worth. Especially third world immigrants.