Caledonia

[Caledonia]

Hello everyone

Coming on from Caledonia wanting to get the message out of what is happening in the town & the County of Haldimand.

We have had another site occupation I am posting the news broadcast from the last couple days. Violence is again set upon us & we need help! Gov't are not doing enough to help the residents & fustration levels in dealing with the situation is at a all time high.

If anyone is interested in talking with the people from caledonia please pm me & I will let you know how to get a hold of them.

I thank you for the opportunity to bring this to light since alot of people do not realize that this is still an on going problem and seems to be getting worse instead of better with all the negotiations that are going on & all the money that is being dumped here.

Again thank you

[Ontario Voter]

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[jennie]

I am just adding some comments to this op-ed.

Welcome Caledonia, just read this disturbing piece...

http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/Content...;col=1024322320

Six Nations can't dictate new laws

The rule of Canadian law is breaking down in the Grand River valley. And Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty is letting it break piece by piece in a vast region of the province more than 800,000 people call home.

Already, a man is in hospital after being knocked unconscious by aboriginal protesters who claim authority over the Caledonia development he is building on. Already, there are reasons to fear that the tensions, and perhaps the violence, that have shaken Caledonia for more than 18 months could spread throughout the Grand River valley, including Waterloo Region, where a group of Six Nations natives are asserting bold new demands that have no foundation in Ontario law. Canadian law.

Yet, at this critical moment when leadership at the highest level is so urgently required, Premier McGuinty is missing in action on the election campaign trail. Mr. Premier, with respect, your silence, your evasion, your insistence that this is a job for the federal government, are simply not good enough -- not for the non-natives of the area, not for the people of the Six Nations either. True

Today, the Six Nations traditional government, known as the Confederacy, insists it has jurisdiction over the historic Haldimand tract -- a 384,450-hectare (950,000-acre) swath of land running 10 kilometres on each side of the Grand.

The natives do not necessarily claim ownership of all this land true ... an interest in the land ... land rights which they were granted in 1784 and later, for the most part, sold. That is not yet established. But they do demand to be consulted before any new development proceeds in the area. This is existing Canadian law via the Supreme Court. They insist that prospective developers pay the Six Nations up to thousands of dollars for development permit approvals before any building goes forward. True. Revenue sharing is a common element of modern treaties. The current pace of development in the Haldimand Tract demands immediate action. They can't wait for the end of negotiations to address the development. Furthermore, they are both clear and adamant that their demand applies to any new development in Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge or Brantford that falls within 10 kilometres of the river. True: the Haldimand Tract

Earlier this week, Waterloo regional Chairman Ken Seiling said there was no basis in provincial law for the Six Nations to be approving development. In addition, he indicated the region would not seek Six Nations permits for any of its own projects. The violence in Caledonia two days ago underscored the grave limitations and potential hazards of this view.

On Thursday, about 15 young natives occupied and shut down the Sterling South development site. The occupation was supposed to end peacefully but didn't. An encounter between a house builder, Sam Gualtieri, and the natives ended in a fight and with him being rushed to hospital with serious head injuries. The reason for the occupation, it seems, was that the developer had not obtained approval for the project from the Six Nations.

This kind of outrage should have no place in Ontario. The demand for a development fee, backed up by thugs accountable to no one but themselves,

This is exaggeration. The youth were not 'backing up' the negotiations that were taking place. Their actions were condemned by the Confederacy, and they are accountable to the Confederacy and the Ontario justice system.

is not a reasonable request; it is blackmail and a precursor to anarchy. Is this what developers can expect in Waterloo Region? Will builders who have followed and respected all the development rules mandated by the democratically elected governments of this region and province face threats and intimidation from an unelected rabble? And if they do, to whom can they turn for help?

It is VERY reasonable to ask who developers can turn to for help, and logically it is the province that issued their permits.

The provincial government of Dalton McGuinty has made it clear that while it theoretically supports Ontario's property laws and system of land deeds, it will not get directly involved in these disputes. In the eyes of the premier and the government, a developer confronted by a Six Nations occupation should call police. But the recent history of the Six Nations occupation of the Douglas Creek subdivision in Caledonia shows how feeble a public protector the Ontario Provincial Police can be in a native dispute. It is not up to police to make decisions about land disputes.

For months in 2006, the police ignored a court order that the aboriginal protesters must leave the Douglas Creek subdivision. During that time, violence sporadically erupted. People were assaulted. Charges, including kidnapping and attempted murder, were laid against native protesters. In the end, Premier McGuinty's short-term solution was to buy the development with public money and allow the protesters to remain there.

The bottom line lesson couldn't be more obvious: In a dispute between natives and a non-native landowner, the police might maintain civil order and public peace. (Then again, as many Caledonia residents will attest, the police might not.) However, the police cannot be relied upon to defend the rights of landowners enshrined in Ontario law. This sets a terrible precedent. It reinforces the belief of some Six Nations members that they are not bound by Canadian or Ontario law and that they are essentially a sovereign nation administering a huge part of southern Ontario. And it is for this reason that we repeat with a sad conviction: The rule of Canadian law is breaking down in the valley of the Grand. No it isn't: That IS the 'rule of law' in Canada: The Crown has a Constitutional Duty to Consult with Aboriginal communities about uses of land in dispute BEFORE issuing provincial permits. The provincial government has failed to consult. The undesirable land uses on disputed land have, thus, been prevented ... blockaded, or shut down through negotiations.

Premier McGuinty is correct that the federal government should be more active and assertive in resolving claims being advanced by the Six Nations. But as a politician again seeking the support and confidence of Ontario voters, McGuinty has a duty to perform, election or no election. Ontario law as it stands must be clearly understood and consistently enforced. After all, every Ontarian deserves the protection of that law. Exactly: According to the law, Premier McGuinty must initiate consultations between developers and Six Nations, OR he must delegate the 'duty to consult' to the developers. Since the province is not 'initiating' it must be assumed they are delegating that responsibility to the developers ... but not telling the developers that.

I was so glad to hear that the man is doing better.

Take care.

We all pray for Mr. Gaultieri.

edit ... update ... Mr Gaultieri's CAT scan shows no brain damage.

I believe there is still protective swelling and thus loss of speech, but there is more reason now to hope that will be temporary and will improve as the swelling goes down.

RE: Revenue Sharing (from above comments about "thugs" and "blackmail")

The Government approved Assembly of First Nations elected Band Chiefs are developing policy to address revenue sharing:

The AFN has entered an employee interchange agreement with Encana Corporation to assist in economic research. In addition to collecting information on major projects, those existing and planned, the AFN has also studied reports from the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada, Mapping the Road Ahead: Finding Common Ground on Resource Revenue Sharing; the Public Policy Forum report, Sharing the Benefits; the Parliamentary Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples, Sharing Canada’s Prosperity - A Hand Up, Not a Handout!; and the Senate Committee’s report on Negotiation or Confrontation: It’s Canada’s Choice. The reports are supportive of exploring and considering resource revenue sharing options.

As such, revenue sharing is part of the 'consultation' that the province is required to do about uses of disputed land, but the government doesn't do any consultation: The Crown in Right of Ontario has abdicated its Duty to Consult on this issue. Six Nations Confederacy has stepped up and is dealing with the land uses directly with the developers, municipalities, etc. It costs money to develop plans and implement review processes. Expenses must be covered. Small builders in the immediate area, trying to deny and delay the inevitable are the ones now running into trouble.

The Mayors of the municipalities are organizing likely to put pressure on the Premier, so this will get very interesting.

But why would McGuinty, or anyone, complain about a consultation process already in place with no effort on his part and no taxpayers' money involved?

Edited September 16, 2007 by jennie

[scribblet]

Hello everyone

I thank you for the opportunity to bring this to light since alot of people do not realize that this is still an on going problem and seems to be getting worse instead of better with all the negotiations that are going on & all the money that is being dumped here.

Again thank you

It doesn't seem to be getting as much attention these days, maybe the media is downplaying it. You need to use the internet as much as possible to get the situation out there.

I empathize with your situation, it's inexcusable that one group of people should be above the law. It is equally inexcusable that the gov't refuses to do anything about it. ALL people should be treated equally.

[geoffrey]

Have any of the thugs been arrested yet?? Why are the Six Nation's protecting these people? These people tried to murder this man.

Put them up or face the legal liability for his injuries, IMO.

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Beyond that, it now seems like the Police were unwilling, WHILE THE BEATING WAS HAPPENING, to intervene:

Joe Gualtieri said Ontario Provincial Police officers on the site "stood there, and they did not intervene" until after the beating, when the attackers had fled.

The attack was the most serious incident since the first protest at Caledonia, and it brought the aboriginal conflict squarely into the Ontario election.

Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty blamed Ottawa for the protracted conflict, arguing that the only resolution is to get the natives and Ottawa to agree on a land claims settlement in negotiations, which have been under way for more than a year.

All the police officers should immediately resign, the head of the OPP must resign, a full inquiry has to be called into the operations of the OPP. They no longer serve any purpose in Ontario. The military needs to be called in to maintain law and order before these out of control Indians kill someone.

I am honestly so disgusted. And McGuinty to have the nerve to place this on the backs of the Federal government! Unbelievable. Take some responsibility! Law and order is McGuinty's area. And he's failed, beyond all aspects. If Ontarians send him back to office, they have truly fallen to the most gulliable and ignorant electorate in Canada.

All the attention to the death of Dudley George while he was intentionally provoking police response... yet nothing in the media about this major negligence on behalf of the police. Watching this guy nearly be murdered.

Bring in the military, find the thugs and put them behind bars for life. And keep the military there until these Six Nation's people realise there is only one law in Canada and they are subject to it.

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Who wants to bet no one goes to jail for this?

[geoffrey]

Sorry... the link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...query=Gualtieri

[AngusThermopyle]

This is exaggeration. The youth were not 'backing up' the negotiations that were taking place. Their actions were condemned by the Confederacy, and they are accountable to the Confederacy and the Ontario justice system.

Are you truly that naive? Or do you deliberately reject anything that may tarnish the rosy image of natives that you appear to cherish to the point of fanaticism? I find it hard to believe you would expect them to honestly admit to sanctioning such behaviour, either overtly or through surreptitious means.

I hate to burst your bubble but everything points to a conclusion indicating Native thuggery plain and simple. Dress it up any way you choose, it wont change the fact that it is what it is.

Incidents like this are not uncommon in the Caledonia area. I just finished checking out some pictures from Caledonia. Pretty hard to slant the image of these idiots burning a giant pile of tires in the middle of the highway. I must say though that it shows a superb sense of environmental stewardship. The huge billowing cloud of black smoke could serve as a poster for the Native environmental policy.

Thats not even touching on other incidents, such as the woman who was raped, the intimidation of seniors in the town, the vandalism to peoples property (houses spray painted with swastikas and other offensive symbols and epithets). Perhaps we should talk about the lovely pictures of that bridge going up in flames. Or how bout we discuss how the kids in school felt at recess when the "occupiers" were lined up at the school yard fence staring at them.

Who wants to bet no one goes to jail for this?

I'm not going to take that bet. It's pretty much a sure fire loser.

I do believe we have to reach some sort of equitable agreement with our Native population, no other course of action is acceptable.

I do not believe we should excuse illegal actions however. I do not believe we should gloss over and slant the truth of matters. I do not believe we should see these people as an ideal of a Utopian way of life when in fact they are incredibly far from even a semblance of such a thing.

Edited September 16, 2007 by AngusThermopyle

[geoffrey]

In my link, the Mayor of Haldimand says the following:

"like the old-time Mafia, isn't it? That's what people have been telling me. That's how they see it, and I have to agree. If you give me some money, I'll leave you alone."

I have a hard time believing the band isn't sending out these thugs and authorizing these blockades when they reap massive profits from the extortion.

"Pay us and we'll make sure no one bugs you... not that we have any control over the thugs and "warriors" anyways."

Uh huh. It's time to charge the band council for all this criminal activities. Extortion is illegal in Canada. And when it comes to trying to kill people to make your point? It's time to arrest the whole lot, and levy massive civil penalties for the harm they've caused.

The public's patience is running low. For the protection of the Indians, the government better do something quick. I don't think the Caledonia residences and all Ontarians are going to remain as calm as they have been. If this goes unpunished, I'm nearly 100% sure there will be vigilante action.

And not that I would blame them. When the police don't uphold the law, and sit by and watch white guys get beaten to death by Indian gangs, then it's time we need to start protecting ourselves. If I were a contractor, I'd be carrying a gun there.

[jennie]

Have any of the thugs been arrested yet?? Why are the Six Nation's protecting these people? These people tried to murder this man.

Put them up or face the legal liability for his injuries, IMO.

--Joe Gualtieri said Ontario Provincial Police officers on the site "stood there, and they did not intervene" until after the beating, when the attackers had fled.

Beyond that, it now seems like the Police were unwilling, WHILE THE BEATING WAS HAPPENING, to intervene:

All the police officers should immediately resign, the head of the OPP must resign, a full inquiry has to be called into the operations of the OPP. They no longer serve any purpose in Ontario. The military needs to be called in to maintain law and order before these out of control Indians kill someone.

I am honestly so disgusted. And McGuinty to have the nerve to place this on the backs of the Federal government! Unbelievable. Take some responsibility! Law and order is McGuinty's area. And he's failed, beyond all aspects. If Ontarians send him back to office, they have truly fallen to the most gulliable and ignorant electorate in Canada.

All the attention to the death of Dudley George while he was intentionally provoking police response... yet nothing in the media about this major negligence on behalf of the police. Watching this guy nearly be murdered.

Bring in the military, find the thugs and put them behind bars for life. And keep the military there until these Six Nation's people realise there is only one law in Canada and they are subject to it.

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Who wants to bet no one goes to jail for this?

With respect, Joe Gaultieri was not at the site and his iinitial reactions were based on whatever information he had at the time. In fact, no police officers were in a position to see the altercation.

Six Nations was in control of the site, having shut it down early that day. The site was 'blockaded' with yellow caution tape and all builders, developers, etc. were OUTSIDE the tape as they had been prevented from entering the site that day.

Negotiation went on between the developer and Six Nations Confederacy reps, at the tape, with police standing by. The youths doing security on the site apparently saw someone approach one of the houses at the far side of the site. They ran to make sure the house was not being vandalized, etc. as no one was supposed to be behind the tape. It was Mr Gaultieri and his nephews, who had come in the back way to avoid the barricade, and to avoid the police who would have told him he could not go on the site. The rest we do not know yet, except that Mr Gaultieri ordered the youth out of the house, physically tried to pull them out of the house and a scuffle ensued which ended with him unconscious from a blow to the head with a piece of wood. One of the Six Nations youths was only 14 years old, the other somewhat older. Mr Gaultieri's nephews were also armed with two by fours.

It is a very unfortunate situation and we are glad Mr Gaultieri is now improving. He is anxious to identify his 'assailants and proceed with charges.

The police were summoned when the altercation took place, but they did not observe ... did not "stand by watching" the altercation take place.

Edited September 16, 2007 by jennie

[Ontario Voter]

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Edited September 17, 2007 by Ontario Voter

[kimmy]

The youths doing security on the site apparently saw someone approach one of the houses at the far side of the site. They ran to make sure the house was not being vandalized, etc. as no one was supposed to be behind the tape.

They were in the house to provide security!

They beat Mr Gaultieri so badly that his brain is swollen and he might not be able to speak properly, because they were securing the premises! Preventing vandalism!

For some reason this reminds me of the "Tammany Hall Fire Brigade" scene in Gangs of New York.

While some people are paying lip service to the idea that they're sorry for what happened to Mr Gaultieri, the lengths to which they're going to make excuses for these thugs or rationalize what they did makes one doubtful of the sincerity.

-k

{If the natives were truly sorry for what happened, they'd use their magic powers to heal Mr Gaultieri.}

[Ontario Voter]

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[geoffrey]

With respect, Joe Gaultieri was not at the site and his iinitial reactions were based on whatever information he had at the time. In fact, no police officers were in a position to see the altercation.

Nor were you or any of the Six Nation's apologists. The entire band is actively engaged in criminal extortion. I'm going to take the word of an honest citizen that wasn't even involved until the Indians tried to murder his brother over the criminals.

Six Nations was in control of the site, having shut it down early that day. The site was 'blockaded' with yellow caution tape and all builders, developers, etc. were OUTSIDE the tape as they had been prevented from entering the site that day.

It belongs to the developers. If Mr. Gaultieri wanted to go to his development, no one had the right to impede him from doing so.

You make it seem like the developers were wrong going to work... in fact the Six Nations were wrong to attempt to extort money to prevent violence against the developers.

Negotiation went on between the developer and Six Nations Confederacy reps, at the tape, with police standing by. The youths doing security on the site apparently saw someone approach one of the houses at the far side of the site. They ran to make sure the house was not being vandalized, etc. as no one was supposed to be behind the tape.

Pay up, or we'll continue to blockade and vandalise and randomly attack individuals. Sounds like responsible behavoir. The entire band council must be arrested.

It was Mr Gaultieri and his nephews, who had come in the back way to avoid the barricade, and to avoid the police who would have told him he could not go on the site. The rest we do not know yet, except that Mr Gaultieri ordered the youth out of the house, physically tried to pull them out of the house and a scuffle ensued which ended with him unconscious from a blow to the head with a piece of wood. One of the Six Nations youths was only 14 years old, the other somewhat older. Mr Gaultieri's nephews were also armed with two by fours.

He had every right to remove them. There was no evidence of a struggle, just a beating. When the nephews came to his rescue, the Indians were beating him in the head once he was already unconcious. There is significant case law in Canada to procede with an attempted murder conviction on those grounds.

However, the Six Nations still haven't turned over their 'security' personal (ie. mob hitmen/thugs) to the police. They likely never will. Again, why we allow people to harbour wanna-be murders in Canada, I'm not sure.

I can tell you in my province, citizens would have already found the kids and they'd be in a far worse state. I'm really suprised at Ontarians patience with a government that absolutely refuses to uphold the law and protect it's citizens from such an evil scurge.

It is a very unfortunate situation and we are glad Mr Gaultieri is now improving. He is anxious to identify his 'assailants and proceed with charges.

It's not an 'unfortunate' situation. It's criminal. These thugs must be sentenced to life in prison. The band council must go along with them. The extortion needs to end before people start dying. We are extremely lucky it didn't happen here, despite the Indian's attempts to finish him off.

The police were summoned when the altercation took place, but they did not observe ... did not "stand by watching" the altercation take place.

Have the police arrested anyone yet? Why the delay? Surely the Six Nation's know who they send out to enforce lack of payment on their extortion deals?

[jennie]

Here is the other version.

The women Elders are speaking now.

There is no question that this was an ugly ugly scene.

16.09.2007 11:34:39:

TWO SIX NATIONS YOUTH DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM FIVE THUGS

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MNN. Sept. 15, 2007. On September 13th at around 4:00 pm. witnesses saw non-native men running out, picking up weapons and going back into the unfinished house. Inside they had ambushed two Indigenous youth. The kids‚ backs were against the wall. They have a right to self-defense. The two youth had gone into the house. One went one way and the other went in another direction. That's when the older Indigenous boy caught the non-native man beating his younger brother.

The OPP had stopped construction that morning at 9:00 am. Meetings were going on between the Six Nations and the "Crown" that afternoon about the land. Stirling construction was illegally building houses on Six Nations land.

It is worth noting that the Ontario Provincial Police were there throughout the incident "to maintain the peace". They had not verified that all workers had left or that the area was secure. They stood by and watched the non-native men go into the house with clubs. They did not help the two Indigenous youths who were being attacked inside. The OPP admitted, "We were caught off guard". Or they were using their discretion not to intervene!

Apparently two Indigenous youth had entered the "empty" building and surprised the non-natives who were inside. It was the Gualtieri brothers, Sam and Joe, and their three nephews. They started to beat one of the youth, a very young teenager. The older youth walked in and found Sam Gualtieri had his young brother against the wall with a bar pressed across his throat, ready to kill him. He grabbed whatever he could find to save his young brother. Joe Gualtieri watched as his partner in crime Sam took a beating. These burly guys and their nephews were over confident. They had numbers, strength and weight on their side, while the kids were fighting for their lives.

The Gualtieris said they were just checking on the "home" which was behind the Six Nations blockade. They stated they were merely "protecting each other" from the boys.

Then the Gualtieri stated that the two boys invited them "to have a [schoolyard] fight". "When you enter into a fight willingly, it isn't an assault, is it?" What about when a fight is provoked?

http://mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenew...&newsnr=529

Edited September 16, 2007 by jennie

[Caledonia]

As of today no one has been named or arrested in the incident of the beating.

Talks seem to be going on with the HDI lawyer for a company established by the Confed. & the builder.

I was amazed to find out that not one representative from the gov't is sitting in on this shakedown (which is what I call it) of course the Confed. & Occupiers call it the "fee's" for doing business in Haldimand now.

As of today again the Occupiers are still occupying the "new" site on Sterling st. This site I would like to add is a subdivision that had begun around the same time as DCE site so there have been residents built here & people are living on this site. OPP presence great but again not letting in Any residents only the ones living there; whilst letting the Occupiers in.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts & granny I see you spin it the same way everywhere you go.

[Riverwind]

The older youth walked in and found Sam Gualtieri had his young brother against the wall with a bar pressed across his throat, ready to kill him. He grabbed whatever he could find to save his young brother

I am curious why this version of events should be taken seriously. The native thugs and extortionists have a incentive to lie as much as possible. Edited September 17, 2007 by Riverwind

[jennie]

As of today no one has been named or arrested in the incident of the beating.

Mr Gaultieri has to recover enough to identify the two youths, but I have not heard of an arrest yet.

Talks seem to be going on with the HDI lawyer for a company established by the Confed. & the builder.

I was amazed to find out that not one representative from the gov't is sitting in on this shakedown (which is what I call it) of course the Confed. & Occupiers call it the "fee's" for doing business in Haldimand now.

Absolutely. The provincial 'Crown' has abdicated its legal "Duty to Consult'. However, I don't think Six Nations or the developers are generally complaining about that. In a case like this, though, you'd think they'd be there.

[Caledonia]

No there was another person who walked in on the assault a member of the family. The OPP spokesperson Paula Wright stated to CHCH news crew that a person would be named within a couple days.

That would mean that identification has been made now whether warrants have been issued or the persons responsible are in custody we do not know. The OPP Officials as well as the Gov't Officials seem to keep Caledonia in the dark on these or any other issues.

Duty to Consult = Extortion

A little background here the HDI did not form & come out identifing themselves until the builder from Brantford let the media know that the Confed. told him he needed to pay 48k to keep going on his building site.

Then & only then did the Lawyer representing the newly formed HDI show up.

[Ontario Voter]

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[Ontario Voter]

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[jennie]

I am curious why this version of events should be taken seriously. The native thugs and extortionists have a incentive to lie as much as possible.

Yup ... and so do the Gaultieris.

Let's assume that the true facts will all be known at some point, and not pre-judge ... hmm?

There is reason to at least consider the possibility that the youth acted in defense of his 14 year old brother.

Your "thugs and extortionists" melodrama is a bit over the top.

Doing business with the people who have title is just business.

The developers know their titles are not clear.

They won't wait five years for the government to tell them that.

That is the whole point of the Haudenosaunee asserting jurisdiction:

Because with the government involved it will literally take forever.

The Confederacy lawyer, Aaron Detlor, said he was "five minutes away from an agreement with the developer" when the altercation occurred on the far side of the site (a 1 min run).

The Gaultieris had arrived back at the site, but did not go to the police tape, (yes they knew the OPP had closed the site) went around back of the site instead and went into the house from the back.

The two site security Six Nations youth saw someone go into the house, and ran over to check.

And a very ugly scene ensued.

[Riverwind]

Doing business with the people who have title is just business.

Six Nations does not have title until proves its case in a court of law. Until then any attempt to interfer with the legimate title holders is extortion.

[Caledonia]

Thank you riverwind couldn't have said it better or simpiler for others to understand. Kudos

There is a on-line petition that we are asking people to sign if they like here is the link & thank you

http://www.petitiononline.com/2509dp/petition.html

Edited September 17, 2007 by Caledonia

[Melanie_]

Was the 14 year old boy employed as site security? If so, what training was provided to him to ensure he understood his role as security? Why were the Six Nations providing security on this building site? If it was disputed as to who really had the rights to the property, security shouldn't be provided by either party in the dispute - that implies that the group providing security has a stronger claim to the property.

[mikedavid00]

Hello everyone

Coming on from Caledonia wanting to get the message out of what is happening in the town & the County of Haldimand.

Hi,

I agree this issue has been burried in the Canadian media.

What we have are terrorists now taking advantage of our generosity towards them. They are claiming land that belongs to them which does not.

The bigger problem here is that we have a police force and gov't that is not enforcing law. Why? Because they are cowards. They are afriad becuase they know the natives will take arms and fight back as in Oka.

You call Canada a great country. How can you when your healthcare system leaves you to die and your own police and gov't is not there to enforce our laws. I say that this county stinks of second world. Thse things don't happen in true 1st world countries.

If I was in chrage I would send out a full milatary assult on them, and make them work for their living instead of a welfare cheque. No more free money to support their lifestyles.

Someone is goign to have to take up arms and protect our citizens and country. At this point wer are being taken advatage of and I don't like it.