It's All About Leadership

[Higgly]

John Tory has launched a phone spam campaign leaving voicemail messages on the phones of people in his riding. In the voicespam, he says that this campaign is "all about leadership".

Savvy Torontonians will want to take a moment to reveiew Mr. Tory's leadership credentials.

Tory never held, nor even sought, a position on city council, the Board of Education, the Metro council, or any other elected body in Toronto, before he threw his hat into the ring to be mayor of the city. Tory's major campaign platform was that he was going to hire more cops. Not surprisingly his campaign was endorsed publicly by then Chief of Police Julian Fantino, an interesting development for those of you who might believe that, in a properly functioning democracy, the police should keep their big fat noses out of politics. Tory did well in the upper income sections of the city but alas, it was not to be and he was handily beaten by David Miller. Near the end of his campaign, Tory allowed that he was only planning to stay in municipal politics for 6 years or so - until "things are set right" and then was going to move on to other arenas. Mr. Tory immediately left civic politics after losing, thereby demonstrating all the leadership and commitment of a frat boy at a sorority party.

Never having held an elected position, Mr. Tory suddenly popped up as leader of the Conservative Party in Ontario. Is it all about the money for the Conservatives? You bet your sweet bippy. Why else would you parachute a guy like Tory in to pick up the pieces that had been left behind by Mike Harris and his crew of thugs? Tory was given a sweetheart riding in a by-election, but now has announced that he is going to run against Liberal Kathleen Wynne in the riding of Don Valley West. Wynne is a dedicated an experienced politician who served for many years on the Toronto Board of Education, helping it survive some very bad times at the hands of the Harris "government" and is now the Minister of Education. However, the Don Valley West riding has the same fat cats who flocked to the polls to vote for Tory as mayor.

So we have a dedicated, effective politician in the form of Kathleen Wynne running against love 'em and leave 'em Tory.

Stay tuned.

Edited September 10, 2007 by Higgly

[M.Dancer]

John Tory has launched a phone spam campaign leaving voicemail messages on the phones of people in his riding. In the voicespam, he says that this campaign is "all about leadership".

I got a phone message from the NDP a few months ago. I just left the receiver off the hook and went about my dinner. They also keep sending my those questionaires with the pstage paid for by us the taxpayer asking me which flakey NDP policy I like the best....I keep sending them back urging Jack to go to Afghanistan and enter into direct negotiations with the Taliban.....

[Higgly]

I'm not an NDP supporter, but at least their leadership is made up of experienced politicians and not carpetbaggers.

[mikedavid00]

I'm not an NDP supporter, but at least their leadership is made up of experienced politicians and not carpetbaggers.

He's an idiot who wants to give 400 million dollars to ethnic schooling when our hospitals need attention and such.

I just can't believe how retarded he is. He's trying to mess up the country. I can't believe he's a conservative.

This is one conservative that won't be voting for him.

[Higgly]

He's an idiot who wants to give 400 million dollars to ethnic schooling when our hospitals need attention and such.

I just can't believe how retarded he is. He's trying to mess up the country. I can't believe he's a conservative.

This is one conservative that won't be voting for him.

400 million is just the start. Wait 'til all the other faith-based schools start showing up at the door hollering for fairness.

[mikedavid00]

400 million is just the start. Wait 'til all the other faith-based schools start showing up at the door hollering for fairness.

I agree.

It's 400 million,

Then they want their own teachers, then they want their own TEACHER SCHOOLS, then they want teir own language culture, then each religion will want it's own sects, then they'll want country of origion, and oops, deals will get reached with India for our Hindu school boards, then teacher exchanges, then communities ghettoising around the school, then political representation, then bang,

2020 and a citie in Toronto is being sold off as a state of another country.

This is very possible, has happened before, and this ghettoised is schooling is worse than even anything Trudeau dreamed up.

Shame on Tory for this.

[Higgly]

You get the picture.

[guyser]

This is very possible, has happened before, and this ghettoised is schooling is worse than even anything Trudeau dreamed up.

Care to show us where or is that another mikeD "I have the facts just dont ask me to show them" line you always use.(in fact you used it again today)

[Argus]

John Tory has launched a phone spam campaign leaving voicemail messages on the phones of people in his riding. In the voicespam, he says that this campaign is "all about leadership".

Savvy Torontonians will want to take a moment to reveiew Mr. Tory's leadership credentials.

Savvy voters don't give a damned that Tory hasn't spent as much time in the grease pit wrestling in the muck and getting as filthy as McGuinty. Savvy voters will remember that McGuinty's entire previous campaign was a tissue of cynical lies he never had any intention of keeping nor made any effort to do so. Savvy voters will realize that McGuinty, since he's been in office, has accomplished absolutely NOTHING in the way of improving ANYTHING. But has managed to greatly increase spending and taxes. Savvy voters will recognize that McGuinty is the biggest phony in recent political history, re-made from the bottom up like some kind of Frankenstein, told what to say, how to say it, what expression to use, made to practice his voice and expressions in front of cameras and mirrors over and over and over again, dressed by others, with no ability to engage in coherent debate or even conversation without explicit instructions from his backroom handlers. He is a vacuous empty suit without ideas or intelligence.

[Leafless]

I agree.

It's 400 million,

Then they want their own teachers, then they want their own TEACHER SCHOOLS, then they want teir own language culture, then each religion will want it's own sects, then they'll want country of origion, and oops, deals will get reached with India for our Hindu school boards, then teacher exchanges, then communities ghettoising around the school, then political representation, then bang,

2020 and a citie in Toronto is being sold off as a state of another country.

This is very possible, has happened before, and this ghettoised is schooling is worse than even anything Trudeau dreamed up.

Shame on Tory for this.

Then how do you explain this:

With the issue of faith-based schools dominating the provincial election campaign so far, it's worth recalling that some years ago Dalton McGuinty was a strong advocate of extending public funding to religious schools.

That's right. McGuinty was passionate about it. It was practically the defining cause of his life. In an interview with the Citizen, he scorned those who claimed publicly funded religious schools were socially divisive. Faith-based "schools foster in their students tolerance and understanding for people of different faiths and ethnic backgrounds," he said.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitize...-hypocrisy.aspx

[bk59]

Then how do you explain this:

With the issue of faith-based schools dominating the provincial election campaign so far, it's worth recalling that some years ago Dalton McGuinty was a strong advocate of extending public funding to religious schools.

That's right. McGuinty was passionate about it. It was practically the defining cause of his life. In an interview with the Citizen, he scorned those who claimed publicly funded religious schools were socially divisive. Faith-based "schools foster in their students tolerance and understanding for people of different faiths and ethnic backgrounds," he said.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitize...-hypocrisy.aspx

That editorial, and in particular the part you quoted, is as close to a lie as a newspaper is going to get these days. Those first few paragraphs are extremely misleading. The editorial admits further down the column:

So how does this square with Dalton McGuinty's position years ago? Quite easily.

It was Dalton McGuinty Sr. -- a longtime Catholic school trustee and MPP -- who, in the early 1980s, pushed for the extension of public funding to senior grades in the Catholic system. The article I quoted was published Oct. 24, 1985.

It is Dalton McGuinty Jr. who insists that if any other faith gets the same funding his father demanded for Catholic schools, the province will go the way of Yugoslavia.

So I guess I would explain this by saying that apparently the Ottawa Citizen has some issues with McGuinty Jr. and has decided that they will attempt to attack him because of his father's views. And they will do this in a way that purposely confuses the fact that they are talking about two different people. McGuinty Sr.'s views do not matter - he is not running in this election. Purposely misleading people at the start of the column as to who holds what views is bordering on dishonest.

They have some valid criticisms of McGuinty's stand. It's too bad that, as far as I'm concerned, they lost all credibility by trying a stunt like this.

[Shakeyhands]

Savvy voters don't give a damned that Tory hasn't spent as much time in the grease pit wrestling in the muck and getting as filthy as McGuinty. Savvy voters will remember that McGuinty's entire previous campaign was a tissue of cynical lies he never had any intention of keeping nor made any effort to do so. Savvy voters will realize that McGuinty, since he's been in office, has accomplished absolutely NOTHING in the way of improving ANYTHING. But has managed to greatly increase spending and taxes. Savvy voters will recognize that McGuinty is the biggest phony in recent political history, re-made from the bottom up like some kind of Frankenstein, told what to say, how to say it, what expression to use, made to practice his voice and expressions in front of cameras and mirrors over and over and over again, dressed by others, with no ability to engage in coherent debate or even conversation without explicit instructions from his backroom handlers. He is a vacuous empty suit without ideas or intelligence.

Yes, obviously Ontario is in much worse shape since October '03 . We no longer are in constant battles with teachers and nurses, we have inspectors actually inspecting our water and other food sources. We have hospitals being renovated and new ones being built and along came shorter wait times for non emergent care. There is now free immunization for children for a plethora of afflictions. More beds for longterm care in Hospitals. And we haven't even had one person of Indian decent shot on his orders!

Oh yeah, we need Tory and his cuts to services and religious schools like we need a hole in the head. Please, as I have said before, if Harris and Eves hadn't left such a mess, McGuinty wouldn't have found it necessary to implement a health tax, most people in this province realise this and are in no mood to bring the animosity and decline in services that the PC party promises.

[geoffrey]

And we haven't even had one person of Indian decent shot on his orders!

You now have a white guy nearly beaten to death by a gang of thugs acting to extort money from developers on behalf of the Six Nations though. And it was all done under the eye of the OPP.

How things have changed hey? At least under Harris, there was rule of law and everyday citizens didn't have to fear attack by roaming gangs of Indian thugs.

[Evan]

I got a phone message from the NDP a few months ago. I just left the receiver off the hook and went about my dinner. They also keep sending my those questionaires with the pstage paid for by us the taxpayer asking me which flakey NDP policy I like the best....I keep sending them back urging Jack to go to Afghanistan and enter into direct negotiations with the Taliban.....

Are you sure that postage isn't paid by fundraising by both the provincial office and the riding associations? Or perhaps the membership dues. I know the NDP works hard to obtain their finances and it is usually through voluntary donation.

Secondly, are you that insulted that there is a government which is actually asking your opinion? Before you get upset with it, when was the last time Stephen Harper asked what you think and was willing to take it into consideration? What does democracy really mean to you, and how do you expect the 'people's' opinion to really form the activities of government with parties that don't consult the people? Harper seems to care more about the opinions of big business rep's rather than the people he is supposed to represent. That was proven at the SPP. But I stray into federal politics in a provincial politics section.

[Higgly]

Savvy voters don't give a damned that Tory hasn't spent as much time in the grease pit wrestling in the muck and getting as filthy as McGuinty. Savvy voters will remember that McGuinty's entire previous campaign was a tissue of cynical lies he never had any intention of keeping nor made any effort to do so. Savvy voters will realize that McGuinty, since he's been in office, has accomplished absolutely NOTHING in the way of improving ANYTHING. But has managed to greatly increase spending and taxes. Savvy voters will recognize that McGuinty is the biggest phony in recent political history, re-made from the bottom up like some kind of Frankenstein, told what to say, how to say it, what expression to use, made to practice his voice and expressions in front of cameras and mirrors over and over and over again, dressed by others, with no ability to engage in coherent debate or even conversation without explicit instructions from his backroom handlers. He is a vacuous empty suit without ideas or intelligence.

Savvy voters wil know that Dalton Mcguinty didn't poison anybody who drank the water. Savvy voters will know that Fibber Flaherty presnted a budget that was little more than silicon in a stripper's bosom. Savvy voters will know that McGuinty balanced the books while no Conservative government - neither federal nor provincial has ever done the same...

[Leafless]

That editorial, and in particular the part you quoted, is as close to a lie as a newspaper is going to get these days. Those first few paragraphs are extremely misleading.

Dalton Mc.guinty Jr. was open to faith based school funding in 1998.

Could this be Dalton Mc.Guinty Jr. in 1998, "Not so long ago, Mr. McGuinty believed in much the same thing. In 1998, Mr. McGuinty met with Mr. Farber and 50 other executive members of the CJC, (Canadian Jewish Congress) and told them he was open to faith-based school funding."

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...e9-e4f2e3f567c8

But the crux of the matter is, "Dalton Jr. has never given any indication that he thinks ol' dad was wrong. On the contrary. He's a devout Catholic who sends his own children to Catholic schools. His wife even teaches in the Catholic system."

"First, Dalton McGuinty may feel that Catholic schools produce tolerant, socially integrated young citizens -- but graduates of Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and other faith-based schools are intolerant and socially marginalized. If so, then it makes sense to support public funding of Catholic schools while telling every other faith to do it on their own nickel."

This IMO not only makes Dalton Mc.Guinty Jr. a hypocrite but also intolerant of other faiths.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitize...-hypocrisy.aspx

Edited September 16, 2007 by Leafless

[Shakeyhands]

You now have a white guy nearly beaten to death by a gang of thugs acting to extort money from developers on behalf of the Six Nations though. And it was all done under the eye of the OPP.

How things have changed hey? At least under Harris, there was rule of law and everyday citizens didn't have to fear attack by roaming gangs of Indian thugs.

Yeah, its a problem and while I won't pretend to know all the details of said beating (nor should you) I'm pretty sure that that sort of thing isn't allowed under this current Gov't. anymore than it was the last.

[bk59]

Dalton Mc.guinty Jr. was open to faith based school funding in 1998.

Could this be Dalton Mc.Guinty Jr. in 1998, "Not so long ago, Mr. McGuinty believed in much the same thing. In 1998, Mr. McGuinty met with Mr. Farber and 50 other executive members of the CJC, (Canadian Jewish Congress) and told them he was open to faith-based school funding."

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...e9-e4f2e3f567c8

But the crux of the matter is, "Dalton Jr. has never given any indication that he thinks ol' dad was wrong. On the contrary. He's a devout Catholic who sends his own children to Catholic schools. His wife even teaches in the Catholic system."

"First, Dalton McGuinty may feel that Catholic schools produce tolerant, socially integrated young citizens -- but graduates of Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and other faith-based schools are intolerant and socially marginalized. If so, then it makes sense to support public funding of Catholic schools while telling every other faith to do it on their own nickel."

This IMO not only makes Dalton Mc.Guinty Jr. a hypocrite but also intolerant of other faiths.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitize...-hypocrisy.aspx

As I said, there are some valid criticisms of McGuinty's stand. Notably that he sends his own children to Catholic schools. But that's it. That he spoke with people in 1998 is unimportant. Especially when all he said was that he was open to the idea. I don't think anyone wants a leader who hasn't changed his or her mind on anything in almost a decade. The whole "point" about him not giving any indication that he thinks his father was wrong is meaningless. His father is not running for election. Since when do political parties need to include commentary on what their parents' think?

And just because the Ottawa Citizen has called McGuinty intolerant of other faiths does not make him intolerant of other faiths. In fact, given how they began that column, their speculation about what McGuinty thinks is worthless to me. They clearly are more interested in painting him in the worst light possible, rather than trying to engage in anything meaningful.

[bk59]

You now have a white guy nearly beaten to death by a gang of thugs acting to extort money from developers on behalf of the Six Nations though. And it was all done under the eye of the OPP.

How things have changed hey? At least under Harris, there was rule of law and everyday citizens didn't have to fear attack by roaming gangs of Indian thugs.

Oh, so you're saying there was no crime when Harris was Premier? Or should we use an example of a white guy beating someone up as proof that under Harris everyday citizens had to fear attack by roaming gangs of white thugs?

Maybe there are other lessons we can learn from Harris's leadership. Like how to deliver a "balanced" budget. Oh... wait... we already sold the 407. McGuinty may not be the best Premier ever, but he's not bad. Certainly not as bad as people make him out to be. After Harris & Eves were gone it was clear that Ontario's finances weren't quite as great as they claimed. McGuinty did a decent job dealing with that situation. Tory has yet to show me anything that would make me think he can do as good a job, let alone showing that he can do better.

[Leafless]

And just because the Ottawa Citizen has called McGuinty intolerant of other faiths does not make him intolerant of other faiths.

What was said was: ""First, Dalton McGuinty may feel that Catholic schools produce tolerant, socially integrated young citizens -- but graduates of Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and other faith-based schools are intolerant and socially marginalized."

BTW- By not funding other faith based schools, intolerance could increase dramatically against other faiths that are currently funded. Other types of private school systems probably will increase, teaching whatever they wish and not necessarily along the lines of the Ontario curriculum.

This could actually promote segregation and racial intolerance.

John Tory has it right and Dalton McGuinty is out in left field.

Edited September 17, 2007 by Leafless

[bk59]

What was said was: ""First, Dalton McGuinty may feel that Catholic schools produce tolerant, socially integrated young citizens -- but graduates of Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and other faith-based schools are intolerant and socially marginalized."

BTW- By not funding other faith based schools, intolerance could increase dramatically against other faiths that are currently funded. Other types of private school systems probably will increase, teaching whatever they wish and not necessarily along the lines of the Ontario curriculum.

This could actually promote segregation and racial intolerance.

John Tory has it right and Dalton McGuinty is out in left field.

Not quite. What was said was:

When Premier McGuinty's political position is considered alongside Citizen McGuinty's evident support of publicly funded Catholic schools, logic suggests only two possible explanations.

First, Dalton McGuinty may feel that Catholic schools produce tolerant, socially integrated young citizens -- but graduates of Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and other faith-based schools are intolerant and socially marginalized.

As in, the Ottawa Citizen column has decided that there are only two explanations. The first explanation they give is to say that McGuinty looks down on other religions and considers them worth less than Catholicism. So I stand by what I said. If it's the Ottawa Citizen saying that McGuinty is intolerant of these other religions, as they imply, then I think it's safe to say that they can be ignored.

[uOttawaMan]

In looking at all the platforms and stated promises.. partisan jabbering aside, from my perspective the PC platform just is not appealing.

I went into this electoral period definetly planning on voting PC, unless something changed my mind.

Based on my work in law enforcement, somehow the Conservatives aren't appealing to me like they traditionally would.

Hiring more police officers : directly stated promise by liberals. (1000 more. are there enough qualified candidates.. maybe.)

Support for law enforcement (100million dollars) : platform promise by tories. I'm exactly sure what that means. It could be more police officers, it could be for the provincial correctional system, it could be for experimental law enforcement initiatives.

This whole bs about the education system is pissing me off , both with the Liberals and the Tories.

Personally, I am opposed to all faith based schools recieving public funding, catholic schools included.

The only avenue I see is an American style diversion of education tax dollars to the school you designate.

While having multiple school systems promotes competition, as opposed to have one bloated education system is appealing... I don't agree with the continued existance of only the Catholic school system because of precedence.

So... looks like the Grits have somehow pulled ahead for me....

[geoffrey]

Yeah, its a problem and while I won't pretend to know all the details of said beating (nor should you) I'm pretty sure that that sort of thing isn't allowed under this current Gov't. anymore than it was the last.

What details do I need to know? Guy is working on house, Indians come in, beat him to death, OPP refuses to act, Indians run away, band pretends to care, doesn't turn over their hired thugs, rural Ontario looks like a lawless area of hoodlums.

Harris gave Indians zero ground when they acted up like this. McGuinty's appeasement and refusal to act is encouraging more extortion and violence. Under Harris, the OPP had the right to move in when violence erupted... McGuinty had them watch bridges burn down, your highway get torned up and now a man beaten to death because he doesn't want to offend anyone.

And then he has the nerve to blame it on the Feds?

Nah. This guy is an idiot. There are laws. You can't occupy land because you feel like it. Any Premier that allowed people to have their property stolen and work impeded and be beaten up in the name of political correctness should not get the vote of any intelligent individual.

Maybe there are other lessons we can learn from Harris's leadership. Like how to deliver a "balanced" budget. Oh... wait... we already sold the 407. McGuinty may not be the best Premier ever, but he's not bad. Certainly not as bad as people make him out to be. After Harris & Eves were gone it was clear that Ontario's finances weren't quite as great as they claimed. McGuinty did a decent job dealing with that situation. Tory has yet to show me anything that would make me think he can do as good a job, let alone showing that he can do better.

Anyone can break promises and levy massive tax increases... while completely bullshitting and hiding the real direction of the revenues. Your Health Care tax hasn't paid a dime into health care my friend, you've been duped, and may even know it. But your still eatting it up.

Any province in the hole could just increase taxes for a balanced budget. And you guys think he's some marvelous brain for delivering a balanced budget? Nah. Ralph Klein was brilliant for delivering a balanced budget, McGuinty is just a tax and spend typical politican. He just happened to tax more than Harris which somehow makes you think he's a better fiscal manager.

Rock on.

I'm just really thankful I don't live in Ontario.

I've met John Tory, my parents were friends with his wife back in Ontario. He's a decent guy, nothing remarkable. I certainly don't think he'd win my vote over though. Segregated schools? Ew.

But I'd vote NDP before I allowed McGuinty back in if I lived in Ontario. And if you know me, that's saying quite a bit.

[bk59]

What details do I need to know? Guy is working on house, Indians come in, beat him to death, OPP refuses to act, Indians run away, band pretends to care, doesn't turn over their hired thugs, rural Ontario looks like a lawless area of hoodlums.

With an attitude like that you could be a great help to the OPP. After all, you seem to know exactly what happened. Sure the OPP is doing an actual investigation, but who needs that when you can just assume you know everything. As a short list of details that you may have gotten wrong, Gualtieri wasn't working on the house at the time of the attack, (as far as I know) he's not dead, the OPP are actively investigating and no one has been turned over because (again, as far as I can tell) no one has been identified.

Anyone can break promises and levy massive tax increases... while completely bullshitting and hiding the real direction of the revenues. Your Health Care tax hasn't paid a dime into health care my friend, you've been duped, and may even know it. But your still eatting it up.

Any province in the hole could just increase taxes for a balanced budget. And you guys think he's some marvelous brain for delivering a balanced budget? Nah. Ralph Klein was brilliant for delivering a balanced budget, McGuinty is just a tax and spend typical politican. He just happened to tax more than Harris which somehow makes you think he's a better fiscal manager.

Harris and Eves essentially lied about having a balanced budget by including one-time things like selling off the 407. So yes, I'd rather someone actually give a balanced budget, even if they have to include a health tax, than have someone lie about the finances of the province. I've never said that McGuinty is the best we could ever hope for, but I'd say that his version of fiscal management is a vast improvement over that of the previous government.

Oh, you know where the money went from the health tax? Please show me. If I've been duped then please show me how. Otherwise it just seems like you're latching on to another smear aimed at a politician.

[Argus]

Yes, obviously Ontario is in much worse shape since October '03

Are you giving McGuinty credit for fostering a better economy in Ontario? Perhaps you can point to me what he did then? Anything? Anything at all?

Surely you're not a simpleton who thinks that because a person happens to be in power during good economic times that person is responsible for the good economic times. You wouldn't be that moronic. So you can point me to all the policies implemented by McGuinty which put Ontario in better economic shape than it was four years ago. Let's hear em.

We no longer are in constant battles with teachers and nurses,

Well that's certainly true. Somehow, all the deep concern teachers had for the quality of education, and all the worry nurses had over the state of health care evaporated when McGuinty gave them big raises.

Of course, education is still in the toilet, along with health care, but hey, the teachers and nurses are making more money. You think that's a good job? Well I can only suggest your standards are pretty damned low. All McGuinty did was bribe the unions with our money.

we have inspectors actually inspecting our water and other food sources.

We always had inspectors. There is NOTHING McGuinty has done which would in any way, shape or form make it more difficult for a Walkerton to happen again. If you have dishonest, incompetent, drunken employees at the source that's the ball game.

We have hospitals being renovated and new ones being built and along came shorter wait times for non emergent care.

Four years ago I went to an ER with a bad back at 3 in the morning and was told the wait was at least 6 hours. I decided to go home and go to a clinic th next day at nine.

I happened to be in a hospital last week at three in the morning. As I passed the ER I heard the nurse telling the person at the desk the wait would be a minimum of 6 hours.

Hospital wait times are no shorter than they ever were. All the sneakweaselly Liberals have done is to take money out of some areas of health care which weren't getting as much publicity, and put them in a few key areas so they could then point - for the benefit of simpletons - to shorter wait times - in those key areas. In other areas wait times are as long or longer than before. There has been no noticeable improvement in health care, nor is there likely to be.

There is now free immunization for children for a plethora of afflictions. More beds for longterm care in Hospitals.

Oh really? I'd like to see where you get your information, for of course, you have it right at hand. What are the number of beds per person in Ontario now as opposed to in 2003. In round numbers please.

And we haven't even had one person of Indian decent shot on his orders!

You mean the gutless, sniveling, spineless cowardly Liberal administration has been too terrified to do anything about the violence and criminality of Indians, and has been letting them get away with assault, theft, arson and whatever else they want? I don't consider political cowardice to be something to congratulate someone over, but clearly your standards - if one can call them that - are considerably different than mine.

Oh yeah, we need Tory and his cuts to services and religious schools like we need a hole in the head. Please, as I have said before, if Harris and Eves hadn't left such a mess, McGuinty wouldn't have found it necessary to implement a health tax,

Harris and Eves actually left things in pretty good shape. Yes, with SARS, the blackout, mad cow, and the beginning of the Iraq war, along with the rapid appreciation of the dollar, there was a one time deficit that year, but it was nowhere near the size the Liberals pretended it was. They played all sorts of accounting games to make it seem larger than it was, even throwing in the Ontario Hydro debt. But the Ontario debt was never more than a third as large as the Liberals claimed, and would have been fairly easy to reign in without McGuinty's massive spending increases. Almost all the extra money spent on health care, btw, came from the federal government. McGuinty's so-called "health care premium" went into general revenues to pay for, among other things, cricket clubs to spruce up their facilities. This was one of the large tax increases he actually signed a pledge in front of television cameras not to make, then made anyway. He lied through his teeth, and never made any effort to follow through on his pledge to either not raise taxes, or to hold a referendum if that was necessary for some reason.

most people in this province realise this and are in no mood to bring the animosity and decline in services that the PC party promises.

Animosity? Oh, you mean that unlike McGuinty you think Tory won't bribe the public sector unions with huge increases? How shameful! You know, I don't give a crap if the unions are on the warpath. As for a decline in services - I've seen nothing but a steady deterioration - along with steady increases in taxes and service charges. McGuinty is a phony liar and nothing could ever induce me to vote for him. Nothing.