There's a new Sharif in town

[Higgly]

Well, well, well. The guy whom Musharraf deposed has now been allowed into the country by high court fiat. What a surprise! Is General Musharraf not being being helpful enough to George Bush? First Benazir and now Nawaz Sharif. And get this - Sharif is hailing it as a victory for democracy. Of course we all remember what swell democrat Sharif was, jiggling the levers so he could not be run out of town on a non-confidence vote. I'll bet Steve Harper would love to ram something like that through the House. Snicker.

Edited August 24, 2007 by Higgly

[Sulaco]

Are you suggesting that the High Courts in Pakistan are part of the US judiciary system?

[Higgly]

No the CIA. It sure as hell isn't the IIA. I just have to wonder why it took them so long. What has it been, 8 years now? Where have these sleepy heads been? And why is it coming on the heels of Benazir's sudden re-appearance on the political scene? Hard not to notice the frustration expressed by the US and by, yes, our own Steve, at the lack of progress being made in the fuzzy Pakistan/Afghanistan border areas.

Edited August 25, 2007 by Higgly

[B. Max]

No the CIA.

Damn that CIA is good.

[Higgly]

You can throw money at anything and sooner or later you are going to get some sort of result. If you want to know how good the CIA is, you just have to look at Chile. Iran. Russia. Cuba... The CIA has made the US a whole load of bitter enemies, including the many madres des los desaparados. Don't count the CIA out yet. Sooner or later they are going to start a third world war, and CNN won't even tell us whodunnit!

[Sulaco]

You can throw money at anything and sooner or later you are going to get some sort of result. If you want to know how good the CIA is, you just have to look at Chile. Iran. Russia. Cuba... The CIA has made the US a whole load of bitter enemies, including the many madres des los desaparados. Don't count the CIA out yet. Sooner or later they are going to start a third world war, and CNN won't even tell us whodunnit!

Standard misconception - the CIA is competent. It is arrived at by taking a left-wing world view thgat, to maintain its assumptions, must ascribe to the CIA and the al-mighty dollar, powers far beyond the fantastical.

The coup in CHile took place, primarily, because the officert corps, mainly drawn on from the middle class, influenced by discontent and fear amongst that same middle class, decided they could not let a socialist hold power. TYhe US acquiesced in the coup and gave assurances of political support. They did not mind control officers, they did not pay them off. It is a ridiculous assertion to say otherwise. Rather they prodded what was rolling already. Thewy did not engineer, the merely provided and extra push to what was being engineered. This is the truth about Chile and about most coups in Latin America. They are domestically inspired by discontent with the elected governmenbt, and by the military's tie to one class or another.

What about Russia?

When have the CIA ever succeeded in Cuba.

The fact is Musharraf is unpopular in Pakistan. Chances are you dislike him as well. But the boogyman is better target and ypour boogyman is the incompetent CIA. Bah!

[kuzadd]

You can throw money at anything and sooner or later you are going to get some sort of result. If you want to know how good the CIA is, you just have to look at Chile. Iran. Russia. Cuba... The CIA has made the US a whole load of bitter enemies, including the many madres des los desaparados. Don't count the CIA out yet. Sooner or later they are going to start a third world war, and CNN won't even tell us whodunnit!

"You can throw money at anything and sooner or later you are going to get some sort of result."

like a 'colour' revolution?

chechnyan 'rebels'?

or mujahadeen?

if it ain't the CIA, the US has always got the- National Endowment for 'democracy' or USAID, just two groups , able to 'finance' change.

[Sulaco]

"You can throw money at anything and sooner or later you are going to get some sort of result."

like a 'colour' revolution?

chechnyan 'rebels'?

or mujahadeen?

if it ain't the CIA, the US has always got the- National Endowment for 'democracy' or USAID, just two groups , able to 'finance' change.

Oy vey. You're just hoping the CIA will throw some money your way to shut off the fount of TRVTH that you otherwise are.

Edited August 28, 2007 by Sulaco

[kuzadd]

Oy vey. You're just hoping the CIA will throw some money your way to shut off the fount of TRVTH that you otherwise are.

gosh instead of addressing the issue, you lob a personal volley?

whatever floats your boat?!

Is that info incorrect?

or beyond your realm of knowledge?

[Higgly]

Well that was quick. Sharif was not long off the plane and Mushareff had him deported to Saudi Arabia. So much for the CIA theory.

With respect to Chile, however, the Allende coup leaders were CIA trained, funded and armed.

[Sulaco]

Well that was quick. Sharif was not long off the plane and Mushareff had him deported to Saudi Arabia. So much for the CIA theory.

With respect to Chile, however, the Allende coup leaders were CIA trained, funded and armed.

Umm no - they were trained, funded and armed by the Chilean Armed Forces.

[Higgly]

Umm no - they were trained, funded and armed by the Chilean Armed Forces.

Who were trained and armed by the CIA.

Back to the subject at hand....

Next up is Bhutto. She tried to set the stage by inviting all of her supporters to meet her at the airport. The government responded by announcing that she would have to face corruption charges. Sort of like Coronation Street with a bullet.

It would be easier to have some sympathy for Benazir if she wasn't a member of the landowner elite. But then, isn't everyone?

[Sulaco]

Who were trained and armed by the CIA.

Back to the subject at hand....

Next up is Bhutto. She tried to set the stage by inviting all of her supporters to meet her at the airport. The government responded by announcing that she would have to face corruption charges. Sort of like Coronation Street with a bullet.

It would be easier to have some sympathy for Benazir if she wasn't a member of the landowner elite. But then, isn't everyone?

So Chilean Armed forces were trained and armed by the CIA. Care to back that strange claim up?

[M.Dancer]

So Chilean Armed forces were trained and armed by the CIA. Care to back that strange claim up?

Would you believe the French and German military instructors were all CIA agents and the German, Dutch and Belgium equipemnt was all made in Burbank California?

I don't need to back up tihngs that I made up......but in this case, I retract the Burbank bit.

[Sulaco]

Would you believe the French and German military instructors were all CIA agents and the German, Dutch and Belgium equipemnt was all made in Burbank California?

I don't need to back up tihngs that I made up......but in this case, I retract the Burbank bit.

Ooops, I get it. Funny. But Higgly is liable to believe.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Sulaco

[Higgly]

Apparently Google is still a challenge for some...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/chile/allende.htm

A quote from the second item...

According to notes taken by CIA director Richard Helms at a 1970 meeting in the Oval Office, his orders were to "make the economy scream."

It was widely reported that at the covert level the United States worked to destabilize Allende's Chile by funding opposition political groups and media and by encouraging a military coup d'état.

The agency trained members of the fascist organization Patria y Libertad (PyL) in guerrilla warfare and bombing, and they were soon waging a campaign of arson. CIA also sponsored demonstrations and strikes, funded by ITT and other US corporations with Chilean holdings. CIA-linked media, including the country's largest newspaper, fanned the flames of crisis. While these United States actions contributed to the downfall of Allende, no one has established direct United States participation in the coup d'état and few would assign the United States the primary role in the destruction of that government.

Just use Google. Enter the keywords Allende Chile CIA. Watch what comes up. Of course you could just go down to the local library and take out a book. A subscription to the Economist might be a good idea for you lot.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Higgly

[Sulaco]

Apparently Google is still a challenge for some...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/chile/allende.htm

A quote from the second item...

According to notes taken by CIA director Richard Helms at a 1970 meeting in the Oval Office, his orders were to "make the economy scream." It was widely reported that at the covert level the United States worked to destabilize Allende's Chile by funding opposition political groups and media and by encouraging a military coup d'état. The agency trained members of the fascist organization Patria y Libertad (PyL) in guerrilla warfare and bombing, and they were soon waging a campaign of arson. CIA also sponsored demonstrations and strikes, funded by ITT and other US corporations with Chilean holdings. CIA-linked media, including the country's largest newspaper, fanned the flames of crisis. While these United States actions contributed to the downfall of Allende, no one has established direct United States participation in the coup d'état and few would assign the United States the primary role in the destruction of that government.

Just use Google. Enter the keywords Allende Chile CIA. Watch what comes up. Of course you could just go down to the local library and take out a book. A subscription to the Economist might be a good idea for you lot.

I don't click on external links.

So where exactly does this quote of yours support your claim that the US (CIA) armed and funded the coup leaders?

I am going to report you for flaming.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Sulaco

[Higgly]

I am going to report you for flaming.

Go for it. I'm putting this one in my snippets. By the way, I've gone back and highlighted the funding part for those of you who are a little short sighted.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Higgly

[M.Dancer]

Apparently google is less effective at finding results for imaginary events. I could find anything about the CIA arming or training the Chilian Armed Forces.