3rd World settling in Canada

[xul]

You know what's interesting actually, the Chinese used to be very similar to India where they had stoneage culture ruining the country. The communist took over for a reason and then banned these religious practices and forced people to work. Now they Chinese are how they are. But at one time, they were still in the stoneage. Only when the chinese worked, they moved forward as a nation.

I guess your impression of how communists rule China comes from those articles made up by those refugee lawyers to serve their clients' refugee applications.

In 1949, communists ruled China. Their top leader Mao Zhedong were very smart than Russian communists leader Stalin, Perhaps smart than Mr.Burh too, by adopting a policy to keep main "old system" such as priviate enterprises in cities, religions, even some neutral old government officals, if they were not against them, in their original position. So they recoverd economy rapidly, and did not meet any severe riots that America suffered in Iraq. Stalin did not understand Mao's strategy, he complained Mao acting as a peasant from Soviet tradational communists.

But from 1966 to 1976, in the last 10 years of his life, Mao changed his mind and adopted some kinds of Stalinism. He tried to use Marxism instead of the old belief of people by breaking off all old religions and cultural in their mind. But he failed. Marx's book is too thick and dull, even most communist party members could not read it entirely. I have read these books several pages by curiosity when I was a teenager, my only memory of them is that it always call capitalists "Jewish capitalists". Finally, Mao's activism policy made Chinese economy worse. When he dead in 1976, reformed communist leader Deng Xiaoping deserted his policy and came back to the policy they adoped in 1949-1960.

Now, communists leaders are really using government money funding all religions and their temples to keep them supporting or neutral to the ruler. But of course any extremist clergies are forbided, because they would shake the stability of the country. Perhaps this part you might admit.

By the way, China has kissed off stone aged cultural for thousands years ago. Some philosophical or moral thinking such as Jerfferia has mentioned was developed two thousand years ago. This was a splendid period of China history. Then China was separated to seven small countries, just like Europe. Competition led to a lot of achievements, both in technology and philosophy. The decline of China began from about three or four hundrand years ago. Then China was the strongest power in East Asia. The emperor thought China had strong enough, had not need to contact with outside. So he ordered to close the border to protect his county from ancient terrorism---the attack of pirates. Some Europe preachers came to China early than British fleet came three hundred years, they bought the most advanced Europe technology at that time to China, the clocks.

The emperor received the clocks and put it on the shelf of his room, but he could not foresee what was behind those clocks. He refused to send any Chinese to Europe to watch and study what had happened in Europe. The "border-closing policy" lasted several hundred years, until one day, the British fleet came and defeated Chinese army and gained huge war-compensation from China. Then came French, Russia, Germany, America....lasted Japanese. The sum of gold they gained from China almost can buy total industry of British to China.

Review this stage of history, I can hardly condemned the Emperor who decided closing the border of country. He is an ancient man, he made a mistake because he could not understand something we can undetstand now.

But in modern time, should we make the same mistake by closing the border for protecting country from terrorism?

Edited August 1, 2007 by xul

[mikedavid00]

You agree with communism and the suppression of religion?

Do you agree with our politicians getting involved and pandering for votes at religious instatutions?

Do you agree with public funding to these institutions becuase they have a 'museum' in it?

Do you agree that people should be allowed to come here when they have no job lined up?

[mikedavid00]

India is neither third world nor stone age...

Heck, most of the software you're using is written (at least partially) in India ;p India is modernising pretty damn quickly, at least in terms of its economy. And where an economy industrialises, everything else is soon to follow.

The above post is completely false.

The USA is the modern innovator of the world.

Whether it's the satellite your watching, the medication you are getting, or the power you are using. The US is the innovating part of the world.

And no, India has NOTHING to do with development of the software i'm using. I worked at MS myself. All the dev is done in the US (with some rare exceptions to China). The Indians ahve a couple of very small buildings in and work phone support with horrid survey results most of the time.

Edit: Now the *MOUSE* you are clicking on very well may have been designed in Korea or Singapore and assembled in China.

India has *nothing* to do with any technology or inivation. Let it go. They are cultural stoneaged people.

Edited August 2, 2007 by mikedavid00

[mikedavid00]

Ah yes, they are the ones who are backwards and closed minded. Not you, them.

Ah yes.

For instance, taxi drivers are not doctors. That's a media spun myth.

Westerners are close minded and racists. That's another media spun myth. The west are the most cosmopolitan people on earth that appreciate other cultures.

I ordered what I thought was a professional condenser microphone. I got gyped (it was a Sony product) and the output is to low for myself and my guest. We're going to look at getting a tube amp pre-out and see if that helps the audio and then make a podcast on these topics.

[guyser]

Do you agree with our politicians getting involved and pandering for votes at religious instatutions?

Why not, they have done that for eons.Well, the pandering part. But since Harper was not "involved" with the Temple, Ill assume you have a point?

Do you agree with public funding to these institutions becuase they have a 'museum' in it?

Since there was no "public funding " involved , what is the point of the question?

Do you agree that people should be allowed to come here when they have no job lined up?

Yes. The alternative is even worse.

Edited August 2, 2007 by guyser

[mikedavid00]

I wouldn't want to upset your little phantasies but just about every south asian I know (and I know quite a few is either working two jobs or is a professional. Something about their culture I suspect that values education and places a premium on raising families in the highest standard of living possible.

Lol! That post was a classic. That's what their culture tries to potray and WANT you to think. So does the CBC.

[rogue state]

will you stop complaining ?

it is your government who is responsible with immigration.

and ordinary people always will suffer for their gov't, take Iraq, for example, as Americans punish the people for their former government.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

[jbg]

South Asians seem to be allergic to work in my opinion. Culture and race rule in south asia and in UK and Canada. yadda yadda yadda.......

I wouldn't want to upset your little phantasies but just about every south asian I know (and I know quite a few is either working two jobs or is a professional. Something about their culture I suspect that values education and places a premium on raising families in the highest standard of living possible.

An area of rare agreement. In New York, many of the cabbies and C-store operators, and gas station proprietors are Pakstani. So what? They're striving to get ahead and learn the ropes.

More power to them.

[jbg]

I wouldn't want to upset your little phantasies but just about every south asian I know (and I know quite a few is either working two jobs or is a professional. Something about their culture I suspect that values education and places a premium on raising families in the highest standard of living possible.

Lol! That post was a classic. That's what their culture tries to potray and WANT you to think. So does the CBC.

See the post above. The CBC is not running my "eyes" when I'm out and about in the capital of the world and former capital of the United States New York City.

[ScottSA]

That paltry middle and upper class probably number no more than 100 million......probably more if taken into account 33% of the population are in the top 10% income bracket.

Yes scootter has been to India, what he doesn't tell you is how old he was at the time......

And the things Momo doesn't understand are legion, but in this particular post he's managed to cram a few of them in.

The "middle class" is so-called because it denotes a middle layer between two extremes - not because it denotes a house, 2.2 children and a couple of cars. Middle class in India is completely different from middle class in the west. Middle class in India means one doesn't live in a mud hut with a tin roof in a slum. Middle class means one may be able to afford a honda scooter or even an Ambassador car, if one is upper middle class...a rattletrap "national" car made from old Bentley molds discarded sometime around independence. That's one reason the "Asian" stock market tanked in the 90s...the so-called "rise of the middle class" in India turned out to be not quite what investors had in mind in terms of what that meant in relative buying power.

And Momo's figures are distilled from thin air, as he tacitly admits, even if they DID have the meaning he thinks they had.

India is a third world nation, and until such time as its society changes, it will remain that way. But Momo will learn...he'll get to see it for himself on the streets of the ever growing ghettos in TO.

[M.Dancer]

And Momo's figures are distilled from thin air, as he tacitly admits, even if they DID have the meaning he thinks they had.

India is a third world nation, and until such time as its society changes, it will remain that way. But Momo will learn...he'll get to see it for himself on the streets of the ever growing ghettos in TO.

You know, if you were a good writer, you could bore people with fewer words.

The figures my friend, contrary to your ejaculation, are from the CIA handbook........

Household income or consumption by percentage share:

highest 10%: 33.5% (1997)

So 33% of india' housleholds are in the top 10%........

and their economy has been growing remarkable for the last 10 years.....over 9% in 2006

So a bare minimum the upper classes account for 300 million people.....

.........does your racial hatred go so far as to make you mathematically illiterate?

[M.Dancer]

I worked at MS myself.

Microsoft outsources the cleaning staff.

[guyser]

. But Momo will learn...he'll get to see it for himself on the streets of the ever growing ghettos in TO.

From someone who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

Ever growing.....please.

[M.Dancer]

. But Momo will learn...he'll get to see it for himself on the streets of the ever growing ghettos in TO.

From someone who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

Ever growing.....please.

That must be another one of his literary exagerations......Now he plays loose and easy with definitions of words....but as defined there are zero ghettos in Toronto.....perhaps the Forest Hill Village.....but I don't think it's more than an...ummm.....exculsive enclave.

[guyser]

That must be another one of his literary exagerations......Now he plays loose and easy with definitions of words....but as defined there are zero ghettos in Toronto.....perhaps the Forest Hill Village.....but I don't think it's more than an...ummm.....exculsive enclave.

Like the "flying lead" , "rampant immigrant violence" et al ? Probably.

[mikedavid00]

An area of rare agreement. In New York, many of the cabbies and C-store operators, and gas station proprietors are Pakstani. So what? They're striving to get ahead and learn the ropes.

More power to them.

And many in the US are there under business class immigration.

But how about you let 1% of your population into New York each year and span that over 20 years and see how you like it.

The US has an immigration policy.

A survey done by Indo Americans in the last election actually showed support for President Bush.

The US does not mirror the problems we have here by a long shot. Not even close.

[mikedavid00]

I wouldn't want to upset your little phantasies but just about every south asian I know (and I know quite a few is either working two jobs or is a professional. Something about their culture I suspect that values education and places a premium on raising families in the highest standard of living possible.

Lol! That post was a classic. That's what their culture tries to potray and WANT you to think. So does the CBC.

See the post above. The CBC is not running my "eyes" when I'm out and about in the capital of the world and former capital of the United States New York City.

But that's the US. You know as well as I do that the US has an immigartion policy and you just can't walse in with no job lined up. Even if you sponsor in an Elder you have to put up a bounty and they aren't allowed to use services at all. (ie medicare) and that's why sponsorship is so low in the US unlike Canada.

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

[mikedavid00]

I worked at MS myself.

Microsoft outsources the cleaning staff.

Microsoft loves to outsource its support services or anybody that might be 'laid off'. That's what they do. And yes, their cleaning staff as well as cafeteria staff are all outsourced.

The Sales and Development are all full time employees.

[guyser]

The US does not mirror the problems we have here by a long shot. Not even close.

Dude, please stop and think for a moment before posting. Read what I quoted above.

Now think what the number one problem making the papers day in and day out is in America , after the war of course. What does your buddy Louuuuuuuuuu Dobbs complain about ad naseum ?

20 million......20 million illegal aliens in the USA. Bankrupting hospitals, straining every single state and town budget in the southwest.

20M vs our annual 240,000.....hmmm , I dont know the answer but would you rather have $20M or $240,000 ?

Wait a sec, you are right, they US does not mirror our "minor" problems. They dwarf us in comparison.

Edited August 3, 2007 by guyser

[guyser]

. Even if you sponsor in an Elder you have to put up a bounty and they aren't allowed to use services at all. (ie medicare) and that's why sponsorship is so low in the US unlike Canada.

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Actually it is comparing a Red Delicious to Macintosh's to be honest.

Sponsorship in Canada, sign and show income status that guarantees that for the bnest ten years , YOU (the sponsor) will provide housing, rent, food ,income, services for your sponsored family member, and not to avail themselves of social services.

Quit ignoring the facts that have been shown to you numerous times.

[guyser]

I worked at MS myself.

Microsoft outsources the cleaning staff.

Microsoft loves to outsource its support services or anybody that might be 'laid off'. That's what they do. And yes, their cleaning staff as well as cafeteria staff are all outsourced.

The Sales and Development are all full time employees.

Oh my, I think you might want to stand up.

[mikedavid00]

. Even if you sponsor in an Elder you have to put up a bounty and they aren't allowed to use services at all. (ie medicare) and that's why sponsorship is so low in the US unlike Canada.

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Actually it is comparing a Red Delicious to Macintosh's to be honest.

Sponsorship in Canada, sign and show income status that guarantees that for the bnest ten years , YOU (the sponsor) will provide housing, rent, food ,income, services for your sponsored family member, and not to avail themselves of social services.

Quit ignoring the facts that have been shown to you numerous times.

Stop making stuff up.

Canadian citizens and permanent residents living in Canada, 18 years of age or older, may sponsor close relatives or family members who want to become permanent residents of Canada. Sponsors must promise to support the relative or family member and their accompanying family members for a period of three years to help them settle in Canada.

If you live in Quebec and want to sponsor a relative or family member, please contact Newcombe & Company for information on the necessary steps to meet provincial requirements. The Canada-Quebec Accord provides information on Quebec's responsibilities for immigration.

You can sponsor relatives or family members from abroad if they are:

*spouses, common-law or conjugal partners 16 years of age or older;

*parents and grandparents (YES YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!);

*dependent children, including adopted children;

*children under 18 years of age whom you intend to adopt;

*children under guardianship;

*brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces or grandchildren who are orphans; under the age of 18 and not married or in a common-law relationship; or

*you may also sponsor one relative of any age if you do not have a family member from the list above.

A son or daughter is dependent when the child:

*is under the age of 22(?????) and does not have a spouse or common-law partner;

*is a full time student, became a full-time student before the age of 22, and is substantially dependent on a parent for financial support, or, if married (and under the age of 22), became a full-time student before becoming married or common-law; or

*is aged 22 or over, is financially dependent on a parent due to a disability, and became disabled before the age of 22.

Spouse or Common-Law Partner in Canada Class

You may also sponsor a spouse or common-law partner from within Canada if they have been living with you in Canada and have maintained their legal temporary status. Sponsorship of a spouse or common-law partner includes their dependent children whether inside or outside of Canada.

You must promise to make every effort to become self-supporting (unless you are elderly.)

Adopting a Child From Another Country

To adopt a child from another country you must go through both the adoption process and the sponsorship and immigration process.

[guyser]

Cite?

[M.Dancer]

The US does not mirror the problems we have here by a long shot. Not even close.

You are right. But not in the way you think. Many in the US would pay top dollar to trade their problems for ours. Immigration being near the top of the list.

[M.Dancer]

The Sales and Development are all full time employees.

What does that have to do with you?