Harper hails opening of grand Hindu temple

[Leafless]

Why restrict it? Are you saying only White English-speaking Christians don't get along with ethnics?

I am saying there are LEGITIMATE immigration concerns that must be addressed by government.

I would like to see your response if majority Canadians were Muslims and the high ratio immigrants coming into Canada were White English speaking Christians.

Start with Singapore.

Post#141, ask you to name other than Canada 'White English speaking Christian countries with high ratio ethnic immigration that are nonproblematic.

Singapore is definitely NOT one of them. Embarrass yourself some more.

In fact Singapore has experienced race riots with deaths and injuries:

"The 1964 Race Riots were a series of riots that took place in Singapore during two separate periods in July and September between Chinese and Malay groups. The first incident occurred on 21 July during a Malay procession that marked Muhammad's birthday. In total, the violence killed 36 people and injured another 556. About 3,000 people were arrested."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Race_Riots

[Renegade]

I am saying there are LEGITIMATE immigration concerns that must be addressed by government.

Great statement. Unfortunately it doesn't at all address the question I asked. Should I somehow infer from your response that only Christian White Countries have "LEGITIMATE immigration concerns"?

I would like to see your response if majority Canadians were Muslims and the high ratio immigrants coming into Canada were White English speaking Christians.

Respond to what? All of my responses would be the same if Muslims were the majority and White English speaking Christians were a high-proportion of the immigrants.

Post#141, ask you to name other than Canada 'White English speaking Christian countries with high ratio ethnic immigration that are nonproblematic.

Of course you did, but that is not the statement I made. To refresh your memory I said:

There are various examples around the world of different cultures co-existing peacefully and harmoniously.

You asked me to name them. I named Singapore as one example.

BTW, very few "White English speaking Christian" countries have as high level of immigration as Canada, and Canada itself is already a pretty good example of an integrated society. When were the last large scale race riots in Canada?

You have highlighted USA as a model country for how things work. Yes I see now how the US policies have led to complete racial harmony there, and Nooooo, they have never had race riots there....

Singapore is definitely NOT one of them. Embarrass yourself some more.

Of course Singapore is not a "White English speaking Christian" society. It was an example of of my statement above. I never restricted my statement to "White English speaking Christian" countries. That was a restriction you wished to add.

So why do you think that if non-White English speaking Christian countries can show racial harmony, why can't "White English speaking Christian" (WESC) countries?

In fact Singapore has experienced race riots with deaths and injuries:

Absolutely it did. That was 44 years ago and early in its history as a country. It has since adapted and been a model for racial and cultural country. Clearly you have never been or lived there. In fact have you even ever left your backwoods abode?

the culture of Singapore expresses the diversity of the population as the various ethnic groups continue to celebrate their own cultures while they intermingle with one another.

Racial harmony is an important concept in Singaporean society. Briefly shaken by the racial riots in Singapore's history during the 1960s, it emerged stronger after independence and is seen as a cornerstone of Singapore's culture today

Culture of Singapore

[Leafless]

To Renegade:

GOODBYE TROLL!

[Renegade]

To Renegade:

GOODBYE TROLL!

I would have like to say goodbye to the racism and bigotry you have expressed, however regretfully Canada seems to be burdened with a small segment of the population who have deep seated racism and do not have an open enough mind to embrace other cultures. They clearly cannot support their position with any evidence or facts and must resort to mindless excuses when challenged.

[Leafless]

I would have like to say goodbye to the racism and bigotry you have expressed, however regretfully Canada seems to be burdened with a small segment of the population who have deep seated racism and do not have an open enough mind to embrace other cultures. They clearly cannot support their position with any evidence or facts and must resort to mindless excuses when challenged.

I fail to see where you have to right to promote autonomy, yet expect us to “embrace your culture” when you have no interest in embracing ours. Your simple existence here is not good enough to form any kind of mainstream Canadian cultural identity that would make you a welcomed addition to Canada.

I don’t see how it is fair to have your own schools, your own communities, your cliques, clubs, councils and organisations; lobby groups, political groups, alliance groups, community liaison groups.

Surely you must see the obvious link between ethnics and racist ideologies with ethnics possessing those SAME racist notions as you accuse me of having, yet Canada's culture is a majority White English speaking, Christian country with all its its associated customs and traditions, since the birth of this country.

What ethnic arrogance and nerve to belittle loyal Canadian patriots in the fashion you have demonstrated in this thread.

[Renegade]

I fail to see where you have to right to promote autonomy, yet expect us to “embrace your culture” when you have no interest in embracing ours. Your simple existence here is not good enough to form any kind of mainstream Canadian cultural identity that would make you a welcomed addition to Canada.

Huh? "Embrace my culture"???? I'm ashamed to say that my culture is the same as your culture save for the racist attitudes. My expectation is not that we embrace other cultures, I think that is an individual choice. My expectation is that we are tolerant of other cultures.

I don’t see how it is fair to have your own schools, your own communities, your cliques, clubs, councils and organisations; lobby groups, political groups, alliance groups, community liaison groups.

First, you assume that "my" schools, etc, are different than "yours" they aren't.

Second, yes, you have made it abundantly clear that you don't see the fairness in having an open and tolerant society.

Surely you must see the obvious link between ethnics and racist ideologies with ethnics possessing those SAME racist notions as you accuse me of having, yet Canada's culture is a majority White English speaking, Christian country with all its its associated customs and traditions, since the birth of this country.

Surprisingly I do agree with you here. Racism is definately an element in many ethnic groups. Some display a large amount of intolerance toward "Western" culture. I condenm racism there as much as I have here. Thankfully, it has been my observation that with each successive generation there has been a more adaptable attitude.

What ethnic arrogance and nerve to belittle loyal Canadian patriots in the fashion you have demonstrated in this thread.

It is only your view that you are representative of "loyal Canadian patriots". In my view the racism displayed is distinctly disloyal, un-Canadian, and unpatriotic.

[Leafless]

Huh? "Embrace my culture"???? I'm ashamed to say that my culture is the same as your culture save for the racist attitudes.

You have been playing the race card throughout this thread.

Obviously then you are the unqualified spokesperson for other cultures, other than your own.

In my book this makes you a minority racist instigator.

My expectation is not that we embrace other cultures, I think that is an individual choice. My expectation is that we are tolerant of other cultures.

Tolerant is a loaded word just and in the same ballpark as religious is.

So obviously, being unrealistically, extremely tolerant is normal in your vocabulary because that is the level of societal indifference being displayed by the actions of ethnics.

So, according to you, all Canadians are supposed to accept this traitorous societal indifference.

Then go ahead, call me racist all you want and I will laugh in your face.

It is only your view that you are representative of "loyal Canadian patriots". In my view the racism displayed is distinctly disloyal, un-Canadian, and unpatriotic.

We know what your view is relating to every other culture but Canadian culture , relating to the 'three wise (un- Canadian cultural) monkeys' hear about no other culture, see no other culture, speak about no other culture, while allowing them to sweep away the major components of the' White, English speaking, Christian Canadians culture'.

This is the kind of Canadian patriotism you advocate, traitor.

[Renegade]

You have been playing the race card throughout this thread.

Obviously then you are the unqualified spokesperson for other cultures, other than your own.

In my book this makes you a minority racist instigator.

I am not nor have I claimed to be a spokesman for other cultures. It is simply your instance at jumping to conclusions and labelling people which has led you to that belief. What I am advocating is a society free from racial and cultural bigotry and respect for individual rights. That applies no matter which group is the source of the racism.

Tolerant is a loaded word just and in the same ballpark as religious is.

It's only a loaded word when you fail to grasp its meaning.

So obviously, being unrealistically, extremely tolerant is normal in your vocabulary because that is the level of societal indifference being displayed by the actions of ethnics.

Being tolerant is only unrealistic for those so steeped in racism and so myoptic in their own culture that the fail to recognize a broader perspective.

So, according to you, all Canadians are supposed to accept this traitorous societal indifference.

Of course they are, and most do. It is only you who considers it traitorous. Most Canadians whether white, or not, whether Christian or not, make their own cultural choices and adopt their own practices without complaint. You also fail to acknowledge that "culture" is not static. It always has, and will continue to evolve as time and outside influences change its shape. Even the "white" culture you regard as traditional has been the source of evolution with influences from the Saxons and the Romans.

Then go ahead, call me racist all you want and I will laugh in your face.

Yes, of course you are, and you laugh because you couch your racism in misguided patriotism. The sad part is that I think you genuinely believe you are patriotic and that makes you blind to your racism. In this respect you share a common them with this group.

We know what your view is relating to every other culture but Canadian culture , relating to the 'three wise (un- Canadian cultural) monkeys' hear about no other culture, see no other culture, speak about no other culture, while allowing them to sweep away the major components of the' White, English speaking, Christian Canadians culture'.

Frankly, your statement makes no sense to me. The existance of other cultures does not " sweep away the major components of the' White, English speaking, Christian Canadians culture'". Canadians of all origins are free to practice their cultural beliefs and have the right to do so without interference.

This is the kind of Canadian patriotism you advocate, traitor.

You calling me a traitor is a supreme compliment. Thank-you. It acknowledges that I don't share the same racist and bigoted belief system that promotes my culture at the expense of others. Much appreciated because I'd like to disassociate my views from yours by the widest possible margin.

[ScottSA]

Being tolerant is only unrealistic for those so steeped in racism and so myoptic in their own culture that the fail to recognize a broader perspective.

Being "tolerant," in the way it's seen by the liberal mind at least, is only possible to those who believe in nothing and so 'tolerate' everything. There is nothing virtuous about tolerance at all.

And I spose you don't see the several levels of irony in your sentence above?

[Leafless]

I am not nor have I claimed to be a spokesman for other cultures. It is simply your instance at jumping to conclusions and labelling people which has led you to that belief.

If you claim your not a spokesman for other cultures, then you are lying as facts speak for themselves with many replies in this thread under the name of Renegade.

I jump at no conclusions but am specifically attacking a flawed and hateful immigration system and one that totally ignores the rights of long standing Canadians and their efforts in establishing a successful culture in this country.

What I am advocating is a society free from racial and cultural bigotry and respect for individual rights. That applies no matter which group is the source of the racism.

You are an outright fool to believe such an unattainable theory. Trudeau said the same thing and all the time working for the interest of Quebec.

It's only a loaded word when you fail to grasp its meaning.

Being tolerant is only unrealistic for those so steeped in racism and so myoptic in their own culture that the fail to recognize a broader perspective.

Seems to me you mean you have failed to grasp the meaning of your own statement.

Of course they are, and most do. It is only you who considers it traitorous.

If most do, that does mean all, yet again (not even reading what you wrote) allege I am the ONLY one in Canada that thinks it is traitorous to accept ethnic high ratio immigration and their extreme incompatible cultures responsible for the dismantling of Canada's majority White English speaking Christian culture.

Most Canadians whether white, or not, whether Christian or not, make their own cultural choices and adopt their own practices without complaint. You also fail to acknowledge that "culture" is not static.

Please cite your source, spokesman. I am talking about imposing another major foreign culture (or several) in place of of our current Canadian culture, due to high ratio ethnic immigration and the lack of important controls relating to the 'sell out' of our current Canadian culture and Canada itself.

Canadians of all origins are free to practice their cultural beliefs and have the right to do so without interference.

This is total BS.

Immigration per year in Canada is 300,000 plus.

These kind of numbers will remove the existing cultural status quo and I don't think many Canadians will be to happy with that.

I believe eventually there will be cultural and race uprisings or revolutions in Canada.

Part of the governments current plan to sell expensive homes to ethnics will only backfire by raising house prices across the country ( where we are at now) to be totally unaffordable by native Canadians.

Small business operated by ethnics won't really help either as there are only a limited number of Canadian purchasing dollars at any given time. And how many Canadians do these small businesses employ and how many ethnic dollars are sent back to ethnics homeland rather than to be spent in Canada.

You calling me a traitor is a supreme compliment. Thank-you. It acknowledges that I don't share the same racist and bigoted belief system that promotes my culture at the expense of others. Much appreciated because I'd like to disassociate my views from yours by the widest possible margin.

Speaking of tolerance, you are one of the most intolerant individuals I have ever encountered.

Throughout this entire thread you have made no effort to discuss cultural problems but simply replied with arrogant, immature, cheap shot allegations.

[Renegade]

If you claim your not a spokesman for other cultures, then you are lying as facts speak for themselves with many replies in this thread under the name of Renegade.

Cite? Please cite the specific quotes where I have lied.

I jump at no conclusions

No? Do you deny that it was your conclusion that I am some non-Christian member of an ethnic group? Just like the other thread where you jumped to the conclusion that I was homosexual?

Seems to me you mean you have failed to grasp the meaning of your own statement.

Really, please dole out some of your infinite "wisdom" and explain it.

If most do, that does mean all, yet again (not even reading what you wrote) allege I am the ONLY one in Canada that thinks it is traitorous to accept ethnic high ratio immigration and their extreme incompatible cultures responsible for the dismantling of Canada's majority White English speaking Christian culture.

No, you are right. It is more than you. Regretably racism is not just resricted to you and there are are some others who share the extremes of your opinion.

Please cite your source, spokesman.

What I said is the Canadians make their own cultural choices and are free to follow the cultural practices of their choice. The source is the Charter which grants them the freedom to do so.

Immigration per year in Canada is 300,000 plus.

These kind of numbers will remove the existing cultural status quo and I don't think many Canadians will be to happy with that.

I believe eventually there will be cultural and race uprisings or revolutions in Canada.

Got some evidence of this upcoming race revolution? Race riots? I must have missed it in the news.

Part of the governments current plan to sell expensive homes to ethnics will only backfire by raising house prices across the country ( where we are at now) to be totally unaffordable by native Canadians.

Any evidence of this plan? Funny I never even heard that the government owned expensive houses. You must have some inside information, please do share. Do you know what the average net worth is of an immigrant at the time they arrive? You must, otherwise how would you know if an immigrant can afford these expensive houses. Please do share you information. I'm breathless with anticipation.

Small business operated by ethnics won't really help either as there are only a limited number of Canadian purchasing dollars at any given time.

No, is there any difference between a small business operated by "ethnics" and one opperated by White Christian Canadians?

And how many Canadians do these small businesses employ and how many ethnic dollars are sent back to ethnics homeland rather than to be spent in Canada.

I don't know. Do you? It's their money, what do I care what they do with it? Do you think they have some obligation as to how they dispose of their money?

Speaking of tolerance, you are one of the most intolerant individuals I have ever encountered.

If you mean intolerant toward racism and bigotry, absolutely I am. If you mean intolerant toward a specifc group, cite the specific quotes which demonstrate that. I've asked you to do so before, but you have been unable to do so.

Throughout this entire thread you have made no effort to discuss cultural problems but simply replied with arrogant, immature, cheap shot allegations.

Let me endevour to change that and illustrate the cultural problem you profess. Let me ask you what may or may not be a hypothetical question.

Do you have any children? If you do, or if you had, would you have any problem with them marrying an ethnic immigrant and learning their culture and customs?

[guyser]

Part of the governments current plan to sell expensive homes to ethnics will only backfire by raising house prices across the country ( where we are at now) to be totally unaffordable by native Canadians.

Oh my ! That is quite the statement. Maybe you could, you know, indulge us in where this claim comes from.

By the way, if you own a house, your plan as quoted above, made you tons of dough. Damn, to think you made money from immigrants. Find some this afternoon and give 'em a kiss will ya?

[Leafless]

Cite? Please cite the specific quotes where I have lied.

You have already admitted you are not an ethic and you have been defending ethnic interest this entire thread, so that makes you a liar when you deny you are NOT a spokesman on their behalf.

No? Do you deny that it was your conclusion that I am some non-Christian member of an ethnic group? Just like the other thread where you jumped to the conclusion that I was homosexual?

I have no idea where the words "I jump at no conclusion came from as it was NOT part of my original post.

What I posted was: "I am specifically attacking a flawed and hateful immigration system and one that totally ignores the rights of long standing Canadians and their efforts in establishing a successful culture in this country."

What I said is the Canadians make their own cultural choices and are free to follow the cultural practices of their choice. The source is the Charter which grants them the freedom to do so.

Canadians have been making their cultural choices for years and were free to follow the cultural practices of their choice, WITHOUT THE CHARTER!

What we are talking about Renegade for the millionth time the detrimental effects on the existing cultural status quo by high ratio ethnic immigration.

Got some evidence of this upcoming race revolution? Race riots? I must have missed it in the news.

That's because cultural upheaval is not here yet. but give it a chance with 300,000 immigrants coming into Canada every year, it won't be long before we have SIMILAR conditions as Britain and France. We learn from experience.

[Leafless]

Any evidence of this plan? Funny I never even heard that the government owned expensive houses. You must have some inside information, please do share.

It wasn't that long ago previous PM Paul Martin was encouraging Canadians to buy new houses and new cars.

It was the feds who sold out BC to ethnic interest and they are basically the reason why house prices are ridiculous high in BC and catching up in Ontario where in Toronto it was reported a house sold for more than 600k over the asking price. Must be near that new temple.

I have noticed in Ottawa sections of neighbourhoods are all ethnic and price it seems is no barrier for ethnics to get in on one if these neighbourhoods.

In my neighbourhood a contractor bought a moderate house for 180k, did a little work mainly cosmetic and resold that house to a Chinese buyer for a cool 380k. Nobody can believe anyone would pay that much for this particular house.

So selling out properties to ethnics for inflated prices is causing a rapid rise in real estate prices in Ontario and will result with housing out of reach of native Canadians, where we are just about at now, anyways.

I doubt all these high taxes are going to save the country when coupled with other major problems high priced housing is causing.

Do you know what the average net worth is of an immigrant at the time they arrive? You must, otherwise how would you know if an immigrant can afford these expensive houses. Please do share you information. I'm breathless with anticipation.

Your breathless with anticipation, rea--l-l-l-ly now.

I have noticed our subsidized housing projects are full of them, yet they are mostly all driving new or almost new mini-vans.

So they are all here at the low end and at the high end.

Do you have any children? If you do, or if you had, would you have any problem with them marrying an ethnic immigrant and learning their culture and customs?

Our daughter is married to a Jewish fellow and there are cultural problems between our families, mainly on his side, due to the fact he married outside of his religion. As a matter of fact they are still trying to lure him back to Italy where they are currently living with prospects of meeting his old Jewish girlfriend. Very nice people.

I would advise no one to marry outside of their race or culture.

[Renegade]

You have already admitted you are not an ethic and you have been defending ethnic interest this entire thread, so that makes you a liar when you deny you are NOT a spokesman on their behalf.

Do you even know the proper meaning of "spokesman"? Are you sure you have mastered English?

spokesman: a person who speaks as the representative of another or others often in a professional capacity

I am a representitive of nobody's views but myself. I speak on behalf for no group, not ethnic, not white, not religious.

I have no idea where the words "I jump at no conclusion came from as it was NOT part of my original post.

Let me refresh your memory and the ability to read your own posts. For your beneift I have highlighted the words in question:

I jump at no conclusions

but am specifically attacking a flawed and hateful immigration system and one that totally ignores the rights of long standing Canadians and their efforts in establishing a successful culture in this country.

So when you deny saying it, and I prove you wrong, does that make you a liar?

Canadians have been making their cultural choices for years and were free to follow the cultural practices of their choice, WITHOUT THE CHARTER!

Yes, but it was not afforded the protection enshrined in the Charter. So how exactly is the Charter preventing from making their own personal cultural choices now? Are they prevented from practising their religion? Speaking their language? Creating their art? Please tell me how.

What we are talking about Renegade for the millionth time the detrimental effects on the existing cultural status quo by high ratio ethnic immigration.

I DO agree with you that the nature of immigration changes the cultural make-up of the country, however, I don't see a particular need to be attached to the "existing cultural status quo". The cultural diversity introduced by immigration enriches the existing culture and is not detrimental. As I said, culture is not static and is in continual flux.

That's because cultural upheaval is not here yet. but give it a chance with 300,000 immigrants coming into Canada every year, it won't be long before we have SIMILAR conditions as Britain and France. We learn from experience.

For clashes between races to happen their needs to be radical intolerance on both sides, and while I do acknowledge this intolerance exists, fortunately I see it in only in the small minority of individuals.

[Renegade]

It wasn't that long ago previous PM Paul Martin was encouraging Canadians to buy new houses and new cars.

It was the feds who sold out BC to ethnic interest and they are basically the reason why house prices are ridiculous high in BC and catching up in Ontario where in Toronto it was reported a house sold for more than 600k over the asking price. Must be near that new temple.

I have noticed in Ottawa sections of neighbourhoods are all ethnic and price it seems is no barrier for ethnics to get in on one if these neighbourhoods.

In my neighbourhood a contractor bought a moderate house for 180k, did a little work mainly cosmetic and resold that house to a Chinese buyer for a cool 380k. Nobody can believe anyone would pay that much for this particular house.

So selling out properties to ethnics for inflated prices is causing a rapid rise in real estate prices in Ontario and will result with housing out of reach of native Canadians, where we are just about at now, anyways.

I doubt all these high taxes are going to save the country when coupled with other major problems high priced housing is causing.

That's the depth of your evidence? Chretien encouraging people to buy houses, and your observations that "price it seems is no barrier for ethnics"???? ROTFLMAO. Are you aware that in your "model" democracy, the USA, every major city such as NY, LA, SF, SD, have house prices far higher than the major cities in Canada?

I have noticed our subsidized housing projects are full of them, yet they are mostly all driving new or almost new mini-vans.

So they are all here at the low end and at the high end.

So if the immigrants are poor, you don't like them because the consume social services. If they are too rich, you don't like them because they can drive up demand for houses. Have you yet found a reason to like those in the middle? Perhaps the reasons they can afford houses is that they are skilled and work hard. If so, perhaps they are more deserving of those expensive houses than others.

Our daughter is married to a Jewish fellow and there are cultural problems between our families, mainly on his side, due to the fact he married outside of his religion. As a matter of fact they are still trying to lure him back to Italy where they are currently living with prospects of meeting his old Jewish girlfriend. Very nice people.

Yes, as I have already stated, cultural bigotry occurs on both sides. I commend your daughter for not letting the cultural differences dissuade her from marrying outside her race.

I would advise no one to marry outside of their race or culture.

I am not surprised by your position, but I appreciate your honesty.

[Renegade]

Being "tolerant," in the way it's seen by the liberal mind at least, is only possible to those who believe in nothing and so 'tolerate' everything. There is nothing virtuous about tolerance at all.

And I spose you don't see the several levels of irony in your sentence above?

No I don't. Feel free to point it out.

[Moxie]

Renegade wrote: What I said is the Canadians make their own cultural choices and are free to follow the cultural practices of their choice. The source is the Charter which grants them the freedom to do so.

So the Charter protects Honour Killings, enforced Marrages, Pedophilia, and all the other aspects of cultures that do not mesh with Canadian Culture. Thankyou for explaining why pregnant women in BC have been found murdered and lying in ditches. I thought it was just First Degree Murder but now I understand why it's okay to kill when one's culture is involved. It's heart warming to know that Hindu Law, Sharia Law and Somalian Tribal Law is part of our Charter. Not really but the left and the left/left don't seem to care much for Canadian Culture or the victims of immigrant Cultures. You've reaffirmed my belief that I'd eat my hand before placing an X on the Liberal Party of Canada or is that the Socialist/Communist Party of Canada? The new world order is exposing it's self daily and it ain't purdy Renegade. I'm not white so save me the Racist and bigot argument pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

By the way I think it's great that Harper attended the opening of this temple, the Hindu community held a meeting and admited that Domestic Violence was part of it's culture. They are seeking a solution, I suggest the mother-in-laws be sent back to India because the old ways and their medieval culture are not compatable with Canadian Culture and mommy seems to be the source of all that blah blah culture. Unless you are left leaning than anything goes, and I mean anything. Sigh I'm glad I saw the light from the left while they stole my money out of my panty drawer.

[Renegade]

So the Charter protects Honour Killings, enforced Marrages, Pedophilia, and all the other aspects of cultures that do not mesh with Canadian Culture. Thankyou for explaining why pregnant women in BC have been found murdered and lying in ditches. I thought it was just First Degree Murder but now I understand why it's okay to kill when one's culture is involved. It's heart warming to know that Hindu Law, Sharia Law and Somalian Tribal Law is part of our Charter. Not really but the left and the left/left don't seem to care much for Canadian Culture or the victims of immigrant Cultures. You've reaffirmed my belief that I'd eat my hand before placing an X on the Liberal Party of Canada or is that the Socialist/Communist Party of Canada? The new world order is exposing it's self daily and it ain't purdy Renegade. I'm not white so save me the Racist and bigot argument pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

You read all that into one statement I made, without even asking for an explaination?? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I did not mean the Charter gives religions or cultures unconditional blanket protection. The Charter does protect the right to anyones religious and cultural practices however the Charter doesn't protect religious practices which infringe on another individuals rights. Honour Killings, enforced Marrages, Pedophilia all infringe on individuals rights and are not protected behaviour. Being not white doesn't exempt you from being a racist or a bigot. I don't know your postions well enough to characterize you one way or another. BTW, when did you manage to stop being white??? Didn't you previously say this:

P.S Rue, you are the one who is a racists hater, what did

us white Canadians

ever do to you? Did we take your spot in the poggy line, welfare line, Cousin It wasn't allowed in through the back door visa vie a container pier in Vancober?

your post

Yes I realize you are mixed-race, however in that statement you seem to identify yourself culturally as white.

P.S. I am neither liberal, leftist or socialist. I have never voted Liberal in my life. I would characterize myself as libertarian.

By the way I think it's great that Harper attended the opening of this temple, the Hindu community held a meeting and admited that Domestic Violence was part of it's culture. They are seeking a solution, I suggest the mother-in-laws be sent back to India because the old ways and their medieval culture are not compatable with Canadian Culture and mommy seems to be the source of all that blah blah culture. Unless you are left leaning than anything goes, and I mean anything. Sigh I'm glad I saw the light from the left while they stole my money out of my panty drawer.

Personally I do agree that their is an obligation to integrate to the cultural norms of the society they are immigrating into. Currently that is nothing but a "moral" obligation, not a legal one. There is a legal obligation that they obey the law. Domestic Violence is against the law and I agree that such a transgression should be punished.

I would support a probation period for new immigrants. I would support that at the end of the probation period they must meet certain criteria (such as speaking the language, and not being convicted of a criminal act). The consequence of not meeting the requirement would be they are sent back.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Renegade

[Leafless]

Do you even know the proper meaning of "spokesman"? Are you sure you have mastered English?

You have made it clear you are an unqualified spokesman supporting ethnic interest in this thread.

No I am not an English professor who has presumably mastered the English language.

What I am is an instrumentation mechanic experienced in scientific, pneumatic, hydraulic equipment and control systems as well as refrigeration and A/C, ultra-low freezer units and centrifuges.

What are you?

Let me refresh your memory and the ability to read your own posts. For your benefit I have highlighted the words in question:

So when you deny saying it, and I prove you wrong, does that make you a liar?

I explained in proper fashion the words "I jump at no conclusion" did not originate off of my keyboard, but naturally assume direct responsibility for the rest of that statement.

Yes, but it was not afforded the protection enshrined in the Charter. So how exactly is the Charter preventing from making their own personal cultural choices now? Are they prevented from practising their religion? Speaking their language? Creating their art? Please tell me how.

No one ever said it did. I haven't a clue WTF your talking about!

I DO agree with you that the nature of immigration changes the cultural make-up of the country, however, I don't see a particular need to be attached to the "existing cultural status quo".

People generally want to immigrate to a certain country because they like it the way is.

The cultural diversity introduced by immigration enriches the existing culture and is not detrimental.

According to you!

As I said, culture is not static and is in continual flux.

Outside of cultural problems experienced with Quebec but pertaining to our White, English speaking, Christian culture HAS been static for the last 130 years prior to the onslaught of high ratio ethnic immigration.

For clashes between races to happen their needs to be radical intolerance on both sides, and while I do acknowledge this intolerance exists, fortunately I see it in only in the small minority of individuals.

Minority cultural clashes have been prominent in Canada since Canada became a country, relating to Quebec vs./all other parts of English speaking Canada.

[Renegade]

You have made it clear you are an unqualified spokesman supporting ethnic interest in this thread.

Actually I thought I made it clear that I am a spokesman for no one but myself. I think the word you are struggling for is not "spokesman" but rather "advocate".

What are you?

I'm a Libertarian.

No one ever said it did. I haven't a clue WTF your talking about!

Yes, clearly you don't.

People generally want to immigrate to a certain country because they like it the way is.

At least like some part of it anyway. Their motivation may be economic, their motivation may be to join family settled here. They may be refugees displaced from their own land. Their are a multitude of reasons why people immigrate. Maybe they even immigrate not because of the way it is, but but the way they percieve it to be. In the case of Canada they percieve it to be a multicultural community, tolerant of other cultures, where they retain their own culture.

According to you!

Yes, according to me.

Outside of cultural problems experienced with Quebec but pertaining to our White, English speaking, Christian culture HAS been static for the last 130 years prior to the onslaught of high ratio ethnic immigration.

130 years is a speck in time. When exactly do you think the "high ratio ethnic immigration" began? How do you define "Christian" culture?

Minority cultural clashes have been prominent in Canada since Canada became a country, relating to Quebec vs./all other parts of English speaking Canada.

So then, you are saying that cultural clashes are a normal part of Canadian history and tradition since the country began?

Edited August 8, 2007 by Renegade

[Leafless]

Actually I thought I made it clear that I am a spokesman for no one but myself. I think the word you are struggling for is not "spokesman" but rather "advocate".

I struggle with no word, little Hitler, and prefer to use 'self proclaimed spokesman' to describe your efforts to express the views of ethnics in this thread.

I'm a Libertarian.

Nothing like wasting my time debating with a 'citizen of the world' who doesn't even hold Canadian values but expresses his own delusionary fantasies or thinks he is expressing the views of ethnics.

Yes, clearly you don't.

Well then have least have the courtesy to tell us WTF you are talking about?

At least like some part of it anyway. Their motivation may be economic, their motivation may be to join family settled here. They may be refugees displaced from their own land. Their are a multitude of reasons why people immigrate. Maybe they even immigrate not because of the way it is, but but the way they percieve it to be. In the case of Canada they percieve it to be a multicultural community, tolerant of other cultures, where they retain their own culture.

Another Renegade un-Canadian, 'citizen of the world', post.

Yes, according to me.

Does that make it 'official'?

130 years is a speck in time.

According to you.

When exactly do you think the "high ratio ethnic immigration" began?

Why ask me, I thought you already knew everything or is your goal to try to humiliate?

How do you define "Christian" culture?

This is exactly what I am talking about when debating with a 'citizen of the world' who does not know what Canadian values are.

So then, you are saying that cultural clashes are a normal part of Canadian history and tradition since the country began?

I am not saying any such thing, you are.

What we have in Canada, is a carry on of the war on 'the Plains of Abraham' by Canadian politicians that have been to cowardly, to properly settle the matter years ago.

[Leafless]

That's the depth of your evidence? Chretien encouraging people to buy houses, and your observations that "price it seems is no barrier for ethnics"???? ROTFLMAO. Are you aware that in your "model" democracy, the USA, every major city such as NY, LA, SF, SD, have house prices far higher than the major cities in Canada?

That was Martin who encouraged Canadians to but new cars and homes.

Here we are struggling with the impact of high ratio foreign immigration in Canada and Renegade tries to counter the effects of ethnic immigration in Canada, to highly populated cities in the U.S. whereas a garbage collector in New York City makes 80k a year.

Our economies are totally different due to demographics, face realities and address the issue accordingly.

So if the immigrants are poor, you don't like them because the consume social services. If they are too rich, you don't like them because they can drive up demand for houses. Have you yet found a reason to like those in the middle?

Like or hate has nothing to do with the issue and you are the one making this statement, not I. The issue is relating to the 'effects of high ratio immigration' and the White English speaking, Canadian Christian and the current Canadian cultural status quo.

Perhaps the reasons they can afford houses is that they are skilled and work hard. If so, perhaps they are more deserving of those expensive houses than others.

Whatever you consider the reason, they are destabilizing housing in major Canadian cities by creating an artificial growth factor that normally would take years, compared to Canadian couples raising families from birth to self sustaining adults.

This is what happens when the federal government allows high ratio immigration (grown up adults) to be unleashed on cities WITHOUT THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE, demand dramatically exceeds supply and housing cost skyrocket.

Yes, as I have already stated, cultural bigotry occurs on both sides. I commend your daughter for not letting the cultural differences dissuade her from marrying outside her race.

I am not surprised by your position, but I appreciate your honesty.

And I am astounded by your lack of personal knowledge on the subject or at least your inability of not sharing any information on the subject.

[Renegade]

I struggle with no word, little Hitler, and prefer to use 'self proclaimed spokesman' to describe your efforts to express the views of ethnics in this thread.

I care very little what words you use to describe me. It just clearly shows your ignorance of the use of the English language. The same language you treasure as part of Canadian culture. BTW, there are many remedial programs which will help you improve your grasp of the language.

Nothing like wasting my time debating with a 'citizen of the world' who doesn't even hold Canadian values but expresses his own delusionary fantasies or thinks he is expressing the views of ethnics.

You say that, you've even said goodbye, but yet you keep appearing in this thread.

Well then have least have the courtesy to tell us WTF you are talking about?

Ok, since you insist. I will make it a plain and simple as possible.

Nothing, not before the Charter or after, prevents English White Christian Canaidans from practicing their culture. That applies to religion, language or cultural practices. The only limits to personal actions to enact cultural practices is if such a practice trangresses the rights of others.

According to you.

According to math. Go ahead calculate it if you can.

Why ask me, I thought you already knew everything or is your goal to try to humiliate?

I'm sure if it was non-subjective I could look it up, however it is a subjective assessment so I ask you. When waves of immigrants came post-WWII did you consider that high-ratio ethnic immigration? Or do they only count as "ethnic" if they have darker skin.

This is exactly what I am talking about when debating with a 'citizen of the world' who does not know what Canadian values are.

I'm touched that you consider me a 'citizen of the world', thank-you. I didn't ask what Canadian value are, I ask how you define White Canadian Christian Culture. If you don't want to define it, fine, but it makes no sense to have a discussion about how "culture" is in peril, when you won't define what you mean by cuture.

I am not saying any such thing, you are.

When you say "Minority cultural clashes have been prominent in Canada since Canada became a country", I take that to mean that it is the normal state of affairs in Canada since it became a country. If you mean something different, please explain.

What we have in Canada, is a carry on of the war on 'the Plains of Abraham' by Canadian politicians that have been to cowardly, to properly settle the matter years ago.

Yawn!!! Are you really so devoid of original thoughts that you need to repeat the same falacies over and over?

[Renegade]

That was Martin who encouraged Canadians to but new cars and homes.

Got any proof of this? Even if he did, do you not think that Canadians are capable of making up their own minds? Most of those who did buy houses are no doubt thankful as prices have increased over the last 10 years.

Here we are struggling with the impact of high ratio foreign immigration in Canada and Renegade tries to counter the effects of ethnic immigration in Canada, to highly populated cities in the U.S. whereas a garbage collector in New York City makes 80k a year.

Is that another figure you have pulled from your ass?

Like or hate has nothing to do with the issue and you are the one making this statement, not I. The issue is relating to the 'effects of high ratio immigration' and the White English speaking, Canadian Christian and the current Canadian cultural status quo.

Ok let me rephrase in language which is more to your liking. Since you have indicated that you do not support the effects of poorer immigrants nor the effects of richer immigrants, is there any economic class of immigrants you do support?

Whatever you consider the reason, they are destabilizing housing in major Canadian cities by creating an artificial growth factor that normally would take years, compared to Canadian couples raising families from birth to self sustaining adults.

If you think that there is onl a single reason for the pricing effect on housing, then you are economicly naive. I don't have the time or patience to explain it to you.

And I am astounded by your lack of personal knowledge on the subject or at least your inability of not sharing any information on the subject.

And I, Leafless, am astounded at how you can narrowly focus so many problems of society and find a single group to act as a scapegoat for your percieved set of societal problems.