President of the Christian Action League, paying hookers!

[kuzadd]

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/07/19/pr...in-prosty-case/

Rev. Coy Privette, the president of the Christian Action League, a North Carolina ultraconservative Christian political organization based in Raleigh, has been arrested for soliciting prostitution:

Privette, 74, was charged with six counts of misdemeanor aiding and abetting prostitution by renting a hotel room and paying for sexual acts, according to State Bureau of Investigation Agent Kevin Canty. Tiffany Denise Summers, 32, of Salisbury, was charged with six counts of misdemeanor prostitution, Canty said.

And:

Police said officers were investigating a forged check case, which led them to the prostitution charges. Privette on two occasions allegedly paid the prostitute with checks then reported those checks as stolen, officials said.

what a piece of work this good christian is!!

HOLY smokes, or HOLY hookers, or HOLY liar???

According to its website, the Christian Action League is:

a Christian public policy organization that addresses public policy and legislative issues from a Christian worldview. The Christian Action League has a full-time presence in the General Assembly of North Carolina and has garnered considerable respect from both the Republican and Democratic parties.

The League’s purpose is to assist the church in fulfilling Christ’s command to be the “salt” and the “light” of the earth.

The Christian Action League is funded by the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, and it is affiliated with the ultra-rightwing American Family Association.

For over three decades, Privette has been one of the best known and most outrageous spokesmen for “family values” and Christian extreme right politics in North Carolina. In the 1970s, he was serving as minister at the North Kannapolis Baptist Church when he joined the tide of evangelicals entering politics that included the Moral Majority and Christian Coalition. He served in the N.C. Legislature from 1984 to 1992, and has been a member of the board of commissioners in Cabarrus County since 1998.

He's got some family values!

Edited July 20, 2007 by kuzadd

[ScottSA]

There...do we feel better now that we've kicked a couple Christians?

[kuzadd]

There...do we feel better now that we've kicked a couple Christians?

Is this man a christian?

Does he follow christian teachings?

I don't think so.

[ScottSA]

As soon as you start throwing nonsense like this out: "...ultra-rightwing American Family Association..."; you lose all credibility. Since when is a defense of the family "ultra" rightwing?

[kuzadd]

As soon as you start throwing nonsense like this out: "...ultra-rightwing American Family Association..."; you lose all credibility. Since when is a defense of the family "ultra" rightwing?

I didn't throw that out there, that is the article , verbatim.

I didn't write this article.

it reads like this

"The Christian Action League is funded by the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, and it is affiliated with the ultra-rightwing American Family Association."

where are you getting the defense of the family thing from??

I read a reference to an organization, not an action.

[sharkman]

Wow, quite a gem you've found kuzy. No duh the guy doesn't practice what he preaches. So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. Manson was right after all.

By the way, what's a woman who's been married for '20' years (as you mentioned on anther thread) , and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to? What does your husband say about this? Something doesn't add up.

Edited July 21, 2007 by sharkman

[kuzadd]

Wow, quite a gem you've found kuzy. No duh the guy doesn't practice what he preaches. So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. Manson was right after all.

By the way, what's a woman who's been married for '20' years (as you mentioned on anther thread) , and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to? What does your husband say about this? Something doesn't add up.

" So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. "

did I say that anywhere, at all????

Nope!

'and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? "

does age dictate musical listening habits?

"How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to?"

Does age dictate musical listening habits?

do you dictate 'shoulds' and 'should nots' by stereotypical standards?

Does it concern you that I used a quotation of a Manson lyric?

Exactly what's your issue, with that?

[Moxie]

A clear example of a man who preaches one thing and practices another, lol dear me a man pontificating about Jesus and he's a sinner. Glory be praise the lord the devil is amongst us, please this has been happening since the dawn of time.

It's clear we have one of those Christian Haters amongst us, sigh how long before they are held accountable for their hatred and sell loathing?

[sharkman]

Wow, quite a gem you've found kuzy. No duh the guy doesn't practice what he preaches. So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. Manson was right after all.

By the way, what's a woman who's been married for '20' years (as you mentioned on anther thread) , and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to? What does your husband say about this? Something doesn't add up.

" So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. "

did I say that anywhere, at all????

Nope!

'and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? "

does age dictate musical listening habits?

"How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to?"

Does age dictate musical listening habits?

do you dictate 'shoulds' and 'should nots' by stereotypical standards?

Does it concern you that I used a quotation of a Manson lyric?

Exactly what's your issue, with that?

You did not say to throw out Christianity and I did not say you did. But you frequently deride Christianity, I'm sure an educated 40 something yr old has the life skills to be able to think critically and put 2 and 2 together without someone spelling out each dot that is to be connected. Or not.

Yes, age does tend to dictate musical listening habits. For one reason, as one grows out of the teenage years one can discover their previous musical tastes to be shallow and poor examples of the music industries' efforts to free us of our babysitting money. Or not.

But hey, listen to whatever turns your crank.

[kuzadd]

Wow, quite a gem you've found kuzy. No duh the guy doesn't practice what he preaches. So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. Manson was right after all.

By the way, what's a woman who's been married for '20' years (as you mentioned on anther thread) , and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to? What does your husband say about this? Something doesn't add up.

" So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. "

did I say that anywhere, at all????

Nope!

'and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? "

does age dictate musical listening habits?

"How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to?"

Does age dictate musical listening habits?

do you dictate 'shoulds' and 'should nots' by stereotypical standards?

Does it concern you that I used a quotation of a Manson lyric?

Exactly what's your issue, with that?

You did not say to throw out Christianity and I did not say you did. But you frequently deride Christianity, I'm sure an educated 40 something yr old has the life skills to be able to think critically and put 2 and 2 together without someone spelling out each dot that is to be connected. Or not.

Yes, age does tend to dictate musical listening habits. For one reason, as one grows out of the teenage years one can discover their previous musical tastes to be shallow and poor examples of the music industries' efforts to free us of our babysitting money. Or not.

But hey, listen to whatever turns your crank.

"age does tend to dictate musical listening habits"

thank-you for demonstrating perfectly stereotypical thinking!

You have a stereotype "older persons should not listen to "young peoples" music.

stereotype!

Reality: Anyone can listen to any music they so choose.

it's called personal preference. Personal preference trumps stereotypes

[sharkman]

Of all the things I said, my comments on music seem to have hit a sensitive spot. You're not still rebelling against your parents are you?

[kuzadd]

Of all the things I said, my comments on music seem to have hit a sensitive spot. You're not still rebelling against your parents are you?

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

The only sensitive spot you have hit is your own bias, and narrow stereotypical thinking.

You seem to relish in hitting it over and over, narrow stereotypical thinking.

With another stereotype the rebelling teenager, they don't all do it, ya know?

Oh never mind.

Anyway back to topic, a question for you sharkman, what with a prevelance, of this kind of stuff amongst 'christians' hookers, male and female both, pedophiles, lying, fraud, drug addicts.

Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few.

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???

[jefferiah]

Of all the things I said, my comments on music seem to have hit a sensitive spot. You're not still rebelling against your parents are you?

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

The only sensitive spot you have hit is your own bias, and narrow stereotypical thinking.

You seem to relish in hitting it over and over, narrow stereotypical thinking.

With another stereotype the rebelling teenager, they don't all do it, ya know?

Oh never mind.

Anyway back to topic, a question for you sharkman, what with a prevelance, of this kind of stuff amongst 'christians' hookers, male and female both, pedophiles, lying, fraud, drug addicts.

Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few.

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???

Yes. It attracts nothing but deviant dysfinctional people----humans.

[sharkman]

Of all the things I said, my comments on music seem to have hit a sensitive spot. You're not still rebelling against your parents are you?

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

The only sensitive spot you have hit is your own bias, and narrow stereotypical thinking.

You seem to relish in hitting it over and over, narrow stereotypical thinking.

With another stereotype the rebelling teenager, they don't all do it, ya know?

Oh never mind.

Anyway back to topic, a question for you sharkman, what with a prevelance, of this kind of stuff amongst 'christians' hookers, male and female both, pedophiles, lying, fraud, drug addicts.

Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few.

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???

Hmm, you seem to have fallen into temptation, girl. Tsk, tsk, and after the sermon above and all. Or are stereotypes only right when leveled at religious folk?

[kuzadd]

Hmm, you seem to have fallen into temptation, girl. Tsk, tsk, and after the sermon above and all. Or are stereotypes only right when leveled at religious folk?

did you actually read what I wrote?

did you see the question mark?

"Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few.

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???"

are there stereotypes wrt religious people being liars, cheaters, cavorting with hookers???

Not to my knowledge?

Isn't the steretype wrt religious persons as being pious, helpful, and beneficial??

Are you actually denying the FACTS of this minister for one, pedophile priests, by the thousands, likely.

Is this minister the only cheating , lying , hooker loving minister?

Far from it!

recently we have had...

Rev. Ted Haggard

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.a...ions/index.html

Church forces out Haggard for 'sexually immoral conduct'

then there was

Jim Bakker,

Jimmy Swaggart,

Paul Crouch.

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/latimes03.html

A former worker at TBN threatened to disclose an alleged 1996 homosexual encounter.

Reprinted from the Los Angeles Times September 12, 2004.

By William Lobdell

Times Staff Writer

Televangelist Paul Crouch, founder of the world's largest Christian broadcasting network, has waged a fierce legal battle to prevent a former employee from publicizing allegations that he and Crouch had a sexual encounter eight years ago.

Rev. Henry J. Lyons

http://www.sptimes.com/News2/lyons/default.html

cheater, swindler, etc.,

All the recent news about Catholic church payouts,

etc., etc., etc.,

so I will pose the questions again.

"Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and numerous others, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???"

OR?

Does the ability to hide behind the piousness of there religion, give them a free-hand to be deviant, or dysfunctional??

[Moxie]

Komazazi wrote: are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

No I didn't rebell against my parents, I was thought to respect others. Sadly your parents didn't teach you much about tolerance or manners.

The only sensitive spot you have hit is your own bias, and narrow stereotypical thinking.

You seem to relish in hitting it over and over, narrow stereotypical thinking.

With another stereotype the rebelling teenager, they don't all do it, ya know?

Oh never mind.

Excuse me but the only narrow minding thinking in this thread comes from your hateful posts regarding religious people. As for rebelling drawing chalk drawings on the wall panelling like a three year old seems to be your mo.

Anyway back to topic, a question for you sharkman, what with a prevelance, of this kind of stuff amongst 'christians' hookers, male and female both, pedophiles, lying, fraud, drug addicts.

Sharkman may I continue to answer her mindless ravings? Well considering you lack the where withall to drum up any stats on the matter I'll consider this more mind numbing hatred from you hatefilled soul. I'd say religion garners no more deviants than those who follow the NeoCon or Liberal or Socialist/commie idiology. The fundies and the socialist have a great deal in common, they are easy to brain wash due to lack of grey matter.

Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

Well you just describe the Liberal Party haven't you? A public face of honesty whilst stealing our tax dollars to give to their Seperatist pals. So the hypocritial fundies have a great deal in common with the left and hard left.

There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few.

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???

Well there seems to guide alot of nasty poster here who like to deride religious people, that is rather pathetic in itself. But ignorance and intolerance breeds more ignorance and intolerance blather and slather on dear.

Anymore questions before nap time?

[B. Max]

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

V12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

V14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Edited July 23, 2007 by B. Max

[jazzer]

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

That's presupposing we're all Chrisitians. I'll cite moral hypocricy whenever I see it, especially where religious leaders are concerned. They ARE held to a higher standard.

[kuzadd]

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

That's presupposing we're all Chrisitians. I'll cite moral hypocricy whenever I see it, especially where religious leaders are concerned. They ARE held to a higher standard.

do you notice jazzer, that rather then discuss the topic at hand, and pursue an honest discussion with the FACTS, I stated , they lodge a number of personal attacks.

The signs of the weakness are obvious and blatant!

[jazzer]

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

That's presupposing we're all Chrisitians. I'll cite moral hypocricy whenever I see it, especially where religious leaders are concerned. They ARE held to a higher standard.

do you notice jazzer, that rather then discuss the topic at hand, and pursue an honest discussion with the FACTS, I stated , they lodge a number of personal attacks.

The signs of the weakness are obvious and blatant!

You're right. Many of the right side of the equation prefer that sort of tactic. The big picture seems to elude most of them.

[sharkman]

You're right. Many of the right side of the equation prefer that sort of tactic. The big picture seems to elude most of them.

Funny you speak of the big picture, I was just thinking about it. The big picture is that for every Jim Baker there is 1000s of ministers who humbly go about their calling, being paid pretty much minimum wage in churches of under 100 members. They toil and bear the burdens of their congregation without complaint and get sick to their stomachs when a Jim Baker falls. These kind don't make the news, therefore people with a bias against all things God don't count them, only the christian commiting a crime.

[B. Max]

are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

That's presupposing we're all Chrisitians. I'll cite moral hypocricy whenever I see it, especially where religious leaders are concerned. They ARE held to a higher standard.

It's not presupposing anything. Christianity didn't even exist at the time it was said. You have no authority to hold them to anything moral or otherwise . You are the hypocrite.

[jazzer]

WTF are you talking about? You go off on a "Let he without sin cast the first stone" rant and I called you on it. I'm not a Christian so I can certainly call "hypocrite" when I see it. Religious leaders of all stripes are held to a higher standard as leaders of the church. When they screw up morally, they are in fact hypocrites. Pretty easy call.

[kuzadd]

WTF are you talking about? You go off on a "Let he without sin cast the first stone" rant and I called you on it. I'm not a Christian so I can certainly call "hypocrite" when I see it. Religious leaders of all stripes are held to a higher standard as leaders of the church. When they screw up morally, they are in fact hypocrites. Pretty easy call.

jazzer, one doesn't need to be not christian to call hypocrite, it only takes common sense.

One apparently has to be "christian" to be unable to see the hypocrisy.

Though the hypocrisy is obvious, in the actions of these religious leaders, or at least ,should be?

Religious leaders, are just that , leaders, and they preach , they are constantly preaching morality, appropriate behaviour,passing judgement, etc., and then they turn around and lie, cheat, commit adultery, steal, do drugs etc.,

It is hypocrisy through and through, perhaps some poster don't understand hypocrisy, what it means, what it is??

In an act of hypocrisy the aim is to condemn another person or people, not to condemn an act. To preach against an act of which one is oneself guilty does not in itself constitute hypocrisy, even if one takes efforts to conceal one's behaviour. It becomes hypocrisy when it involves verbal attacks or demands of punishment against perpetrators of the act that one practices oneself. Hypocrisy can be, simply put, the pot calling the kettle black.

In psychology, hypocritical behavior is closely related to the fundamental attribution error: individuals are more likely to explain their own actions by their environment, yet they attribute the actions of others to 'innate characteristics', thus leading towards judging others while justifying ones' own actions.

Also, some people genuinely fail to recognize that they have character faults which they condemn in others. This is called Psychological projection. This is Self-deception rather than deliberate deception of other people. People understand vices which they are struggling to overcome or have overcome in the past. Efforts to get other people to overcome such vices may be sincere. There may be an element of hypocrisy as well if the actors do not readily admit how far they are or have been subject to these vices

How do these Ministers, priests, etc., actions relate to the defintions above?

How do the actions of the posters, who went off on their rants, relate to these defintions?

it could get interesting jazzer!

Edited July 24, 2007 by kuzadd

[Posit]

Komazazi wrote: are you for real?

I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you?

No I didn't rebell against my parents, I was thought to respect others. Sadly your parents didn't teach you much about tolerance or manners.

The only sensitive spot you have hit is your own bias, and narrow stereotypical thinking.

You seem to relish in hitting it over and over, narrow stereotypical thinking.

With another stereotype the rebelling teenager, they don't all do it, ya know?

Oh never mind.

Excuse me but the only narrow minding thinking in this thread comes from your hateful posts regarding religious people. As for rebelling drawing chalk drawings on the wall panelling like a three year old seems to be your mo.

Anyway back to topic, a question for you sharkman, what with a prevelance, of this kind of stuff amongst 'christians' hookers, male and female both, pedophiles, lying, fraud, drug addicts.

Sharkman may I continue to answer her mindless ravings? Well considering you lack the where withall to drum up any stats on the matter I'll consider this more mind numbing hatred from you hatefilled soul. I'd say religion garners no more deviants than those who follow the NeoCon or Liberal or Socialist/commie idiology. The fundies and the socialist have a great deal in common, they are easy to brain wash due to lack of grey matter.

Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion?

Well you just describe the Liberal Party haven't you? A public face of honesty whilst stealing our tax dollars to give to their Seperatist pals. So the hypocritial fundies have a great deal in common with the left and hard left.

There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few.

So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???

Well there seems to guide alot of nasty poster here who like to deride religious people, that is rather pathetic in itself. But ignorance and intolerance breeds more ignorance and intolerance blather and slather on dear.

Anymore questions before nap time?

Priceless.

While the Church - and especially Christianity - has held itself up to be on higher moral ground, you have confirmed what many of us had already known in the the Church and its Christian leaders are no better than politicians.

Matthew 15:11, 14, 19-20

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Matthew 7:3-5, 11

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?