Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 Haven't worked many provincial elections so I can't remember, but 8 PM sounds about right. I'll pop on Newsworld and Newsnet shortly after. You never know... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 With 53 of 77 polls reporting in Calgary - Elbow Craig Cheffins Liberal - 2,660 votes. 42% Brian Heninger PC - 2,465 votes. 39% PCs are running away with Drumheller-Stettler... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
geoffrey Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 Where did you get that? CalgaryGrit is posting completely uncompatible results: "I'm about ready to call it. Liberals win calgary elbow. Up 2791 to 2135 with a third of the polls to go." Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 Where did you get that?CalgaryGrit is posting completely uncompatible results: "I'm about ready to call it. Liberals win calgary elbow. Up 2791 to 2135 with a third of the polls to go." I'm getting it right off the Elections Alberta site. http://www.electionsalberta.ab.ca/welcome.html Left hand side flashing. Dan's probably getting it from the Liberal scrutineers. The Liberals will win, but by about 500 votes. Dan has them up 650 with 1/3 of the polls to come... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 4,267 to 3,589 72 out of 77 polls reporting. Very interesting. Looks like the PCs are going to be taking a turn to the centre pdq Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
geoffrey Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 Taft to demand a general election based on Ed's 'failure'? Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 Taft can demand whatever he wants. The next election will be fall of 2008. If Calgary Elbow can fall that puts most of the city in play. Ahh, pundits will chirp about it for a little while. Much ado about nothing. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
geoffrey Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 If Calgary Elbow can fall that puts most of the city in play. Fortunately not my current riding, but if I move closer to work as is my goal, I'm moving towards the dangerous area of those that wear red. I might actually have to campaign it up. I'd hate to see us kill the PC's now, at the height of all they fought for. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 Fortunately not my current riding, but if I move closer to work as is my goal, I'm moving towards the dangerous area of those that wear red.I might actually have to campaign it up. I'd hate to see us kill the PC's now, at the height of all they fought for. I'm living in as Liberal territory as you get in Calgary. David Swann's my MLA. Is it even worthing campaigning? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
geoffrey Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 David Swann's my MLA. Eww. Is it even worthing campaigning? Swann supporters are a lost cause. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
gc1765 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 As a non-Albertan, I'm curious: What exactly did Stelmach do wrong? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
BornAlbertan Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 As a non-Albertan, I'm curious: What exactly did Stelmach do wrong? Simple. He's not Calgarian. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 As a non-Albertan, I'm curious: What exactly did Stelmach do wrong? Simple. He's not Calgarian. There is definitely more to it than that. Calgarians don't really get it some times. I was involved in the leadership. Didn't vote for Stelmach but I can understand why he won. I explained the reasoning to the 'real Calgarians' I spoke to pretty simply. Most Albertans get pissed off by the fact that the Prime Ministership has been dominated by Quebeckers. 36 out of the last 39 years. Is that fair? Why should the Premier always come from Calgary? Is that fair? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
BornAlbertan Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 As a non-Albertan, I'm curious: What exactly did Stelmach do wrong? Simple. He's not Calgarian. There is definitely more to it than that. Calgarians don't really get it some times. I was involved in the leadership. Didn't vote for Stelmach but I can understand why he won. I explained the reasoning to the 'real Calgarians' I spoke to pretty simply. Most Albertans get pissed off by the fact that the Prime Ministership has been dominated by Quebeckers. 36 out of the last 39 years. Is that fair? Why should the Premier always come from Calgary? Is that fair? See, and I am not from Calgary or from Edmonton but have lived in both cities for several years each. I always loved both cities for each of their own merits. But one thing I could not get is the self-righteous attitude Calgary has in regards to its place in Alberta. Your explanation is correct. But I think it would be even more accurate to describe Calgary as Alberta's Toronto (in relation to Toronto's attitude and place in Canada). Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 See, and I am not from Calgary or from Edmonton but have lived in both cities for several years each. I always loved both cities for each of their own merits. But one thing I could not get is the self-righteous attitude Calgary has in regards to its place in Alberta.Your explanation is correct. But I think it would be even more accurate to describe Calgary as Alberta's Toronto (in relation to Toronto's attitude and place in Canada). Sort of. I think Calgarians have a little more humility, but I do get the analogy. Most Calgarians will admit that the U of A is a much better school than the U of C and the arts scene is much more developed in Edmonton than in Calgary. For Torontonians, nothing touches Toronto. So hung up on being a 'world class' city they don't really get that there are some really cool cities here in Canada. Pretty sad, really. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 For Torontonians, nothing touches Toronto. So hung up on being a 'world class' city they don't really get that there are some really cool cities here in Canada. Pretty sad, really. Just out of curiousity, how long did you live in Toronto for? And when? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
BornAlbertan Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 I remember when Edmonton renamed Calgary Trail North to Gateway Blvd. Calgarians were freaking saying Calgary should rename Edmonton Trail...I laughed at foolishness of as I was unsure if it was just pettiness or an exagerated lack of self-confidence. Besides, Edmonton Trail hasn't gone to Edmonton for decades...most Edmontonians don't even know it exists (and most probably could care less). Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 Just out of curiousity, how long did you live in Toronto for? And when? 2 1/2 years. Left December 2002. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 2 1/2 years. Left December 2002. Hmm, let's see...I would have lived near to there just before you did (in the 90's), and I didn't notice any feelings of superiority by Torontonians. Maybe things changed after I left. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
BornAlbertan Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 2 1/2 years. Left December 2002. Hmm, let's see...I would have lived near to there just before you did (in the 90's), and I didn't notice any feelings of superiority by Torontonians. Maybe things changed after I left. Superior beings amongst themselves don't need to project their superiority. Besides, it is on the national/international stage in how they do that via their politicians, not civilians. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 Hmm, let's see...I would have lived near to there just before you did (in the 90's), and I didn't notice any feelings of superiority by Torontonians. Maybe things changed after I left. How close is lived near? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 How close is lived near? 30-60 minutes depending on which part of Toronto. why? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
geoffrey Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 For Torontonians, nothing touches Toronto. So hung up on being a 'world class' city they don't really get that there are some really cool cities here in Canada. Interesting that Canada's most world class city, Vancouver, doesn't have that same holier-than-thou vibe. Montreal and Toronto both do. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Michael Bluth Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Posted June 14, 2007 30-60 minutes depending on which part of Toronto. why? Because you probably didn't spend much actual time in Toronto. Downtown, the Annex, College street all have a very different vibe then your Scarborough's, Markham's, Etobicoke's yada yada yada Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Your explanation is correct. But I think it would be even more accurate to describe Calgary as Alberta's Toronto (in relation to Toronto's attitude and place in Canada).Maybe more akin to Toronto's place in Ontario. It's hard to ignore the %tage of population that Calgary represents in Alberta. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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