Earth Day

[B. Max]

'ScottSA' date='Apr 23 2007, 01:52 PM' post='211281']

I take it that's a "no"?

His computer is made from oil. So that would mean a month without woody.

[Guthrie]

it's an expensive view --- but a lot of humans would only benefit from the opportunity to see what's really at stake --- an opportunity to see what they have been blind to -- a chance to correct their foolish support of fossil fuels and poisoning the earth

Hey woody, I challenge you to spend a year, nay, a month, not using fossil fuels or any products which require them. Are you game? Can you go a month without eating?

almost as if he knew what he were talking about --- people ate, long before they used fossil fuels and if we are lucky enough to survive the buffoons who now poison the earth with their fossil fuel derivatives and their personal stupidity, people will go on eating after fossil fuels are long gone

Right. So I'm challenging you to do the same. Starting now. Turn off your computer, your heat, your electricity, your water, take everything out of your fridge that was produced with the help of fossil fuels and give it to your neighbour, give away your car, stop going to work, and live outside your house without a tent or any bedding except whatever animal skins or nonindustrial cottage industry material you can dredge up. I dare you to give up the use of fossil fuels or its derivitives for a month. Since you think wind power is so easy to switch to, you can probably rig up some sticks and twigs into some sort of windmill, although where you are going to get the wire to transmit power, or to what end, is beyond me.

But hey woody, natural is best, right? Think you can do it?

How sad, particularly for you slow pated luddites who can't see a transformation that is measurable in under 6 months and --- ****wake up here lads **** over the course of five years, a program which could be truly phenomenal and outward reaching across all aspects of society.

How drab and dull, the world you live in -- take a look, find someone who can inject some color into your brain and picture yourself leading the way to mankinds golden beginning.

take your hippie clap trap and your toxic-carcinogenic-toxic-waste,lesion-producing luddite past and give it over to the NEW TECHNOLOGY!!! --- HEY, IT'S AT YOUR DOOR

http://www.managenergy.net/products/R1002.htm

http://www.faz.net/d/invest/meldung.aspx?id=45345048

http://www.wind-works.org/FeedLaws/Germany...terFischer.html

I take it that's a "no"?

You can take it anyway you want -- you are, per usual, wrong. I can live the rest of my life without fossil fuels and live a better life than any snow shoveling fool.

[BubberMiley]

You can take it anyway you want -- you are, per usual, wrong. I can live the rest of my life without fossil fuels and live a better life than any snow shoveling fool.

Are you going to bicycle to Central America?

I think the problem is that it is completely impossible for the average person to not exploit fossil fuels in some plastic fashion or another. This dependence is what will kill us. No one is a hypocrite for pointing out our society's unsustainability just because they also live in it.

[Guthrie]

You can take it anyway you want -- you are, per usual, wrong. I can live the rest of my life without fossil fuels and live a better life than any snow shoveling fool.

Are you going to bicycle to Central America?

are none of you guys aware of green energy? did you not check out those lovely links I gave you? do you choose to remain in ignorance as opposed to actually wisening up??? are you complete fools?

[B. Max]

Are you going to bicycle to Central America?

Most likely he'll take air innertube to Cuba.

[M.Dancer]

Woody is sometimes painfully thick. He makes grand statements unaware of the simple realities of the modern world. He expects his legumes and haricots to arrive magically in solar powered trucks who frames and bodies and made from masticated clay and wheels of latex and hemp. The engines are constructed of soy-based plastics and the lubrication is 100% cholesterol free olive oil. His grains are ground by almond eyed virgins whose breasts sway in rhythms more ancient than the stone hand mill they use. His clothes are universally woven by spinsters, whose industry allows them to enjoy their golden years and still feel productive. No one is hungry. Crops do not spoil for lack of refrigeration, crops do not rot in the fields for want of a combine. Children do not get scurvy in winter as the 100% energy efficiant recycled bio powered green houses produce more fruit than children can eat......weed is free and everyone is eligible to join starfleet.....

[B. Max]

I can live the rest of my life without fossil fuels and live a better life than any snow shoveling fool.

I don't shovel snow woody. I have a four foot snow blower mounted on a diesel tractor.

[M.Dancer]

are none of you guys aware of green energy? did you not check out those lovely links I gave you? do you choose to remain in ignorance as opposed to actually wisening up??? are you complete fools?

Come on woody. Lets face it, links from you are as dubious as ....well...anything you say.

[ScottSA]

Woody is sometimes painfully thick. He makes grand statements unaware of the simple realities of the modern world. He expects his legumes and haricots to arrive magically in solar powered trucks who frames and bodies and made from masticated clay and wheels of latex and hemp. The engines are constructed of soy-based plastics and the lubrication is 100% cholesterol free olive oil. His grains are ground by almond eyed virgins whose breasts sway in rhythms more ancient than the stone hand mill they use. His clothes are universally woven by spinsters, whose industry allows them to enjoy their golden years and still feel productive. No one is hungry. Crops do not spoil for lack of refrigeration, crops do not rot in the fields for want of a combine. Children do not get scurvy in winter as the 100% energy efficiant recycled bio powered green houses produce more fruit than children can eat......weed is free and everyone is eligible to join starfleet.....

That is truly funny. What makes it even funnier is that it is obviously the way he sees the world.

[ScottSA]

You can take it anyway you want -- you are, per usual, wrong. I can live the rest of my life without fossil fuels and live a better life than any snow shoveling fool.

Are you going to bicycle to Central America?

I think the problem is that it is completely impossible for the average person to not exploit fossil fuels in some plastic fashion or another. This dependence is what will kill us. No one is a hypocrite for pointing out our society's unsustainability just because they also live in it.

But one is a hypocrit is they claim everyone else is evil except for them. Which is what woody is up to. Short of living in a cave and striking sparks from flints, woody can no more live without the products of fossil fuels than anyone else.

I happen to think we should wean ourselves from fossils fuels too; for a very different reason to be sure; but like most people not trancing inside a resiny hemp field, I realize that one can't simply shut off the FF tap and have fantastic green technology appear magically at my fingertips. Those technologies will arrive in good time, as they are arriving now. As the internal combustion engine arrived and eventually replaced the horse.

[Guthrie]

you guys, failing to have a real argument, have resorted to making up an argument, attributing it to me and then attacking it -- it is, once again, the pathetically old, 'straw man,' argument --

you can't defend destroying the planet so you have to make up arguments about people wanting solar trucks home delivering lentil soup --- it is nothing but buffoonery

but it is, finally, all you have left

[Guthrie]

I can live the rest of my life without fossil fuels and live a better life than any snow shoveling fool.

I don't shovel snow woody. I have a four foot snow blower mounted on a diesel tractor.

nor was I talking to you

[ScottSA]

you guys, failing to have a real argument, have resorted to making up an argument, attributing it to me and then attacking it -- it is, once again, the pathetically old, 'straw man,' argument --

you can't defend destroying the planet so you have to make up arguments about people wanting solar trucks home delivering lentil soup --- it is nothing but buffoonery

but it is, finally, all you have left

So when are you going to swear off all products of fossil fuels and go stand in your backyard naked for a month without eating?

[Guthrie]

you guys, failing to have a real argument, have resorted to making up an argument, attributing it to me and then attacking it -- it is, once again, the pathetically old, 'straw man,' argument --

you can't defend destroying the planet so you have to make up arguments about people wanting solar trucks home delivering lentil soup --- it is nothing but buffoonery

but it is, finally, all you have left

So when are you going to swear off all products of fossil fuels and go stand in your backyard naked for a month without eating?

when are dimwits, such as you, going to admit the truth?

[B. Max]

So when are you going to swear off all products of fossil fuels and go stand in your backyard naked for a month without eating?

when are dimwits, such as you, going to admit the truth?

C,mon woody, get at her. Oh, and before you do take the quiz I posted.

[ScottSA]

you guys, failing to have a real argument, have resorted to making up an argument, attributing it to me and then attacking it -- it is, once again, the pathetically old, 'straw man,' argument --

you can't defend destroying the planet so you have to make up arguments about people wanting solar trucks home delivering lentil soup --- it is nothing but buffoonery

but it is, finally, all you have left

So when are you going to swear off all products of fossil fuels and go stand in your backyard naked for a month without eating?

when are dimwits, such as you, going to admit the truth?

What truth would you like me to admit? That you can stand in your backyard and starve unclothed for a month? Prove it. As long as you're here flapping away I'll know you haven't started yet, because that big bad electricity for the comp has to come from somewhere, and I'll hazard a guess that you haven't coughed up $100,000 or so for a nice fancy hand-modelled windmill made of eco-friendly clay.

[Guthrie]

...

What truth would you like me to admit? ...

this buffoon is still clueless

[M.Dancer]

...

What truth would you like me to admit? ...

this buffoon is still clueless

And the audience is hushed...waiting for the inevitable Figfleaf to appear, citation pad in hand.........

[Guthrie]

...

What truth would you like me to admit? ...

this buffoon is still clueless

And the audience is hushed...waiting for the inevitable Figfleaf to appear, citation pad in hand.........

aren't you late for your audition with 'Dancing With the FF?'

[B. Max]

...

What truth would you like me to admit? ...

this buffoon is still clueless

Quit your stalling. Either do it or admit you can't.

[M.Dancer]

...

What truth would you like me to admit? ...

this buffoon is still clueless

And the audience is hushed...waiting for the inevitable Figfleaf to appear, citation pad in hand.........

aren't you late for your audition with 'Dancing With the FF?'

....I postponed it when I saw that there was another episode of "Whacko Woody and his Talking Toaster" on....

.....This week, Whacko Woody is going to tell us where to buy an electric car as good as a combustion car, at the same price, how to live 100% fossil Fuel Free and then he will tell us the names of the 2 million members of the North American Nazi parties......and prove that the zionists bombed the twin towers

[speaker]

Hi guthrie, good sites, thanks. Here is one that gives some less expensive and handier alternatives to the Green House Gas Industry. I'm partial to these options because a lot of it can be done by anyone with some renovation or building skills.

http://www.builditsolar.com/

[geoffrey]

Solar! Yum! I can smell the toxic waste pilling up already! Let's all covert to GHG free solar (well, besides the very GHG intensive manufacturing process).

Hope all this fake-Green stuff makes you all feel warm and fuzzy inside. There is no 'clean' alternative to today's energy demands.

[speaker]

geoffrey, I'm really glad you took the time to examine the alternatives I posted last time. You are right of course there is no such thing as a clean alternative to todays ghgas, etc., emission prone energy guzzling lifestyle. Fortunately there are significantly CLEANER alternatives to todays etc., etc., So I thought you, having taken the time to look last time might like to have another gander, at these sites.

http://www.retscreen.net/ang/g_passiv.php

http://www.newenergy.org/sesci/publication...ts/passive.html

http://www.canren.gc.ca/tech_appl/index.asp?CaId=5&PgId=303

It's good to meet someone who examines the issues before mouthing off with irrelevant red herrings. Now if we could only get some of the others to quit mouthing off who do so without thinking at all.

[ScottSA]

geoffrey, I'm really glad you took the time to examine the alternatives I posted last time. You are right of course there is no such thing as a clean alternative to todays ghgas, etc., emission prone energy guzzling lifestyle. Fortunately there are significantly CLEANER alternatives to todays etc., etc., So I thought you, having taken the time to look last time might like to have another gander, at these sites.

http://www.retscreen.net/ang/g_passiv.php

http://www.newenergy.org/sesci/publication...ts/passive.html

http://www.canren.gc.ca/tech_appl/index.asp?CaId=5&PgId=303

It's good to meet someone who examines the issues before mouthing off with irrelevant red herrings. Now if we could only get some of the others to quit mouthing off who do so without thinking at all.

You do realize, of course, that solar energy at its present stage of development can probably supply about 5% of this nation's energy needs once it gets ramped up with billions of dollars injected into it? And that wind energy, after decimating the bird population, might supply another 5%? That of course doesn't take into consideration all the dirty ooey icky energy it takes to make the actual impliments, but hey, it'll make the folks who put out $100,000 or so feel really spiffy about doing their part to combat a fabricated issue.