Eating pork is racism

[Figleaf]

The bullies may be in danger of being blown up of course, when offendi gets back to school after being adorned with C4 by his lovingly devout parents, but so far no one is hurt.

Despicable stereotyping.

[M.Dancer]

The bullies may be in danger of being blown up of course, when offendi gets back to school after being adorned with C4 by his lovingly devout parents, but so far no one is hurt.

Despicable stereotyping.

Quite right. C4 is hard to get. More likey a fertilizer car school bus bomb.

[cybercoma]

The bullies may be in danger of being blown up of course, when offendi gets back to school after being adorned with C4 by his lovingly devout parents, but so far no one is hurt.

Despicable stereotyping.

Much like saying bullies will shoot up schools.

It's an ignorant student picking on other students. Not headline news. Boring and idiotic. Racism is encountered everyday by many people and it's not headline news.

This shouldn't be glorified by all this attention.

[ScottSA]

The bullies may be in danger of being blown up of course, when offendi gets back to school after being adorned with C4 by his lovingly devout parents, but so far no one is hurt.

Despicable stereotyping.

Stereotyping would be stuff like saying that all individuals who name themselves 'figleaf' and run around tattling on people have small penises and compensate by taking their frustrations out on other people. Saying that Muslims often explode is like saying the sun will probably rise tomorrow. Even if it were stereotyping though, stereotypes often hold true.

[cybercoma]

Religion, by promising paradise after death, is a disgrace to the beauty and wonder of life.

[M.Dancer]

Religion, by promising paradise after death, is a disgrace to the beauty and wonder of life.

To be fair, it also promises hell aftewr death, and to the mass who sat on the hill being reminded that they were poor, oppressed and weary, it was comforting to know each would get his just desserts.

[cybercoma]

To be fair, it also promises hell aftewr death, and to the mass who sat on the hill being reminded that they were poor, oppressed and weary, it was comforting to know each would get his just desserts.

To say they "knew" is debatable. To this day, no one "knows" for sure.

[BC_chick]

How often do Orthodox Jews get people disciplined for like conduct.

An ambulance driver recently won his case against the Montreal Jewish General Hospital after he was physically thrown out of the cafeteria for eating a ham sandwich. The hospital has since opened a non-kosher section in the cafeteria.

Re-read my post. I asked "how often do Orthodox Jews get people disciplined for offending them. They did not get the favored treatment that the Muslim kids did.

No need, they did the disciplining themselves by throwing him out of the (publicly-funded) hospital.

[Figleaf]

Religion, by promising paradise after death, is a disgrace to the beauty and wonder of life.

Amen!

[M.Dancer]

To be fair, it also promises hell aftewr death, and to the mass who sat on the hill being reminded that they were poor, oppressed and weary, it was comforting to know each would get his just desserts.

To say they "knew" is debatable. To this day, no one "knows" for sure.

That's the whole thing about faith. You don't have to know "for sure" when you just know. And once you know "for sure" what point was there to have faith?

[sunsettommy]

Personally I don't see why black people always complain about burning crosses on their front lawn, what a bunch of whiners.

Does anybody else see anything wrong with trying to purposely assault people based on their religion.

The Crosses were usually put there by the KKK.A group known to kill.They would have cause for worry.

Juveniles with a bag of pork thrown on a table where muslims eat is juvenile behavior.Not a hate crime.The muslims have to put up with stupid pranks.

I think the boys should be punished for it but not as a criminal or in jail.

[jbg]

Religion, by promising paradise after death, is a disgrace to the beauty and wonder of life.

A few examples of positive contributions to society coming almost purely from a religious motive:

1. Link here about Montreal Jewish Hospital - The Montreal Jewish General Hospital (JGH) was built with Jewish money, and has been maintained from its inception with many millions of dollars annually, donated through legacies and trusts from the Jewish community who have long since died.
   But there are many Jews who still reside in Montreal, or who have family living in Montreal, or people like Anne and myself who live outside of Quebec but still use the hospital, who contribute to the JGH every year.
   *snip*
   In no time at all, the Montreal Jewish General Hospital became one of the best hospitals in the world. I don’t exaggerate. The JGH is really that good.
   
2. Aneglo Rancalli, eventually known as Pope John XXIII (link)
   NEW YORK, OCT. 26, 2005 (Zenit.org).- A Jewish leader considers the Second Vatican Council's declaration "Nostra Aetate" of 40 years ago a landmark that completely redefined relations between Catholics and Jews.
   *snip*
   Roncalli's risks
   He said that, according to research reports carried out by this committee, "Angelo Roncalli (later known as Pope John XXIII) risked his position and security by providing thousands of Turkish visas, 'temporary' baptismal certificates, and immigration certificates, authorizing the entry to Palestine of Hungarian Jews persecuted by the Nazis."
   "According to testimonies given at the Nuremberg trials, his interventions helped to save tens of thousands of people," Tenembaum continued. "Catholic sources point out that about 80,000 certificates were issued. Roncalli was also involved in the fate of Jews of France, Slovakia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Italy.
   "Monsignor Roncalli not only acted directly to save thousands of men, women and children condemned to extermination, but he was also a tireless person who, during the war, denounced before the Vatican and Allied nations the genocide carried out by the Nazis; and
   
3. Link to speech given by Baptist Minister Martin Luther King
   Martin Luther King, Jr., a Baptist minister, was a driving force in the push for racial equality in the 1950's and the 1960's. In 1963, King and his staff focused on Birmingham, Alabama. They marched and protested non-violently, raising the ire of local officials who sicced water cannon and police dogs on the marchers, whose ranks included teenagers and children. The bad publicity and break-down of business forced the white leaders of Birmingham to concede to some anti-segregation demands.
   (Excerpts from speech)I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.
   Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.
   *snip*
   Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
   I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
   I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
   I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
   I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
   I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
   I have a dream today.
   I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
   I have a dream today.
   I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
   

[cybercoma]

Good people do good things despite religion, not because of it.

[M.Dancer]

Good people do good things despite religion, not because of it.

Except for those people who were not good, but because of a religious experiance, are better people. As Jesus said, it's all well and fine to love your friends, everyone can do that, it's loving you r enemies that takes spirit.....

[cybercoma]

I'm just wondering how many studies need to be done before people realize that we're not moral because of religion. Is it just that people have not read these studies that they still think we're moral because of religion?

[M.Dancer]

I'm just wondering how many studies need to be done before people realize that we're not moral because of religion. Is it just that people have not read these studies that they still think we're moral because of religion?

Lots.....but you will have to study the immoral as well, which is all of us.

I think the fundamental flaw of humanism is the belief that in the end, we are good moral people. We are not, but some of us try to be and some of us go out of their way to be evil.....and most of us are content just to be as we are, sometimes moral (when it involves our loved ones or when someone is looking) and sometimes like assholes .

[Figleaf]

I think the fundamental flaw of humanism is the belief that in the end, we are good moral people. We are not, but some of us try to be and some of us go out of their way to be evil.....and most of us are content just to be as we are, sometimes moral (when it involves our loved ones or when someone is looking) and sometimes like assholes .

Well, that certainly encapsulates a recent example of a person I received a PM from recently!

But does humanism consider us inherently good, or good-if-nurtured? Perfect or perfectible?

[M.Dancer]

Well, that certainly encapsulates a recent example of a person I received a PM from recently!

See...I knew after some hot coco and a good cry you would feel better.....

[Figleaf]

Well, that certainly encapsulates a recent example of a person I received a PM from recently!

See...I knew after some hot coco and a good cry you would feel better.....

Do you have any comment on the substance of this discussion, or are incomprehensible sidebars all we can expect of you?

If you'll recall the post immediately above yours, you'll remember I asked whether your critique of humanism applied under both of two views or only one.

[M.Dancer]

Well, that certainly encapsulates a recent example of a person I received a PM from recently!

Do you have any comment on the substance of this discussion, or are incomprehensible sidebars all we can expect of you?

Maybe you should sit back and have some more coco.....

If you'll recall the post immediately above yours, you'll remember I asked whether your critique of humanism applied under both of two views or only one.

Could you rephrase that so it is comprehensible?

[Figleaf]

Could you rephrase that so it is comprehensible?

Not to you.