Protesters shut down quarry outside Deseronto

[Posit]

Are you a homo? Or maybe a paedophile, or a deviant?

[guyser]

Are you a homo? Or maybe a paedophile, or a deviant?

As for your first question, no not at all thanks. I am more of a 2% milk type. Homo is too rich.

As for Q#2, no again , not at all. I wonder how my postings here would lead you anywhere near asking a question like that but hey, you can ask I suppose.

A deviant, well...depends on the girl you ask. Deviant is the new norm if you didnt already know.

Wow...ask a question...get an answer. Pretty easy for smart people.

[guyser]

Posit , are you a First Nation ?

For the sixth time....it really is easy and if it isn't call your mom and dad. They should be able to answer it relatively easily.

[Posit]

Who, what and where I am is none of your business and has nothing to do with this thread.

[geoffrey]

Settle down you two, Posit's status is irrelevant IMO. Draw your own conclusions. Now Posit, be so kind as to defend your comments from my rebuttals above.

[guyser]

Who, what and where I am is none of your business and has nothing to do with this thread.

So ,Posit , you are First Nation .

Ok, thats fine, it just makes things so much clearer . I have followed along on these posts and you interchange "we" and "them" .

Clarity is all I was seeking.

[Posit]

Of course it is none of your business and you have drawn another "wrong" conclusion. But then I'll feel free to conclude that you are a paedophile rapist, just for clarity's sake...

"We" refers to us Canadians. But it proves again you have a reading comprehension problem.....

[guyser]

Of course it is none of your business and you have drawn another "wrong" conclusion. But then I'll feel free to conclude that you are a paedophile rapist, just for clarity's sake...

"We" refers to us Canadians. But it proves again you have a reading comprehension problem.....

Wow....such anger over a simple question .

Of course a simple question you wont answer, but simple none the less.

[rks]

Of course the feds are going to buy out the residents but like any expropriation they have no rights. This reclamation is one of things things that falls "in the public interest" so non-natives will be moved out without any fuss to the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte. That comes from the latest rounds of negotiations as told by a friend of mine on the territory. The details are in the fine print.

Do you seriously think that the any government is going to displace over half of the town? This would divide the town right down the middle. Secondly do you think for a second that any resident within the town is going to let that happen?

[Rue]

So, so wrong.

The Indian Act applies to all territories within the Territory. The Culbertson Tract was never taken out of the territory - something the feds have admitted - and so the Act applies totally and exclusively over and above ANY provincial application.

The only point of negotiation is what to do with the squatters that are on the territory that shouldn't have been there in the first place. As of this week the Chief has submitted a timetable for return of the tract and with some hundred or so Mohawk households on the Tract and a whole lot more with their houses for sale, it shouldn't take too long.

Of course the feds are going to buy out the residents but like any expropriation they have no rights. This reclamation is one of things things that falls "in the public interest" so non-natives will be moved out without any fuss to the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte. That comes from the latest rounds of negotiations as told by a friend of mine on the territory. The details are in the fine print.

BTW there are no courts involved. This is a direct negotiation with the feds since they have admitted the Culbertson belongs to the Mohawks.

I BACK YOU UP 100%. Nice to know someone understands the law. Of course they won't read what you said and that is precisely the problem. They won't consider any opinion that doesn't feed their mantra of aboriginals should not be able to exercise native rights that flow from treaties they signed.

This b.s. about aboriginals need to be treated the same is code word for-we should be able to violate all aboriginal treaties and not have to worry about any legal agreements the Canadian government signed that preceded and take precedent over any provincial law.

This is about denying aboriginal rights because of resentment and jealousy. This resentment that aboriginals are getting something unfair is a friggin joke. These same John Waynes would not trade places with an aboriginal on a reservation or high unemployment site in a million years.

This series of posts rverted to jibberish when the Ontario Land Registry system was misrepresented as having legal precedent over aboriginal native rights.

Then again I have very rarely found any anti-aboriginal writing in to have the faintest clue about how the law really works. Why start now.

[rks]

This link can be found here -

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/nr/prs/j-a2007/2-2851-fts_e.html

Fact Sheet

Negotiations on the Culbertson Tract Specific Claim

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The Government of Canada is working with the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte to resolve the Culbertson Tract Specific Claim through negotiations. This claim relates to a land transaction that took place about one hundred and seventy years ago.

Looking Back: A Historical Overview

In 1793, the British Crown formally granted a tract of land along the Bay of Quinte to the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte for their use and benefit through the Simcoe Deed. One of the Simcoe Deed's provisions specified that these lands could only be surrendered to the Crown with the formal consent of the Mohawk people through a community vote.

In 1837, John Culbertson, the grandson and an heir of Captain John Deseronto (a former Mohawk Chief), received Letters Patent from the Crown for approximately 827 acres of this land. Over time, parts of this land (known as the Culbertson Tract) were sold to various third parties. The Culbertson Tract is located in and around the present-day Town of Deseronto and the Township of Tyendinaga in southeastern Ontario. The Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte's claim alleges that the Crown's 1837 patent was an invalid transaction since the Mohawk people did not surrender the lands to the Crown before the land was patented to John Culbertson.

Toward a Negotiated Resolution

The Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte submitted their Culbertson Tract Specific Claim to the Government of Canada in 1995. Canada completed a thorough historical and legal review of the claim submission. Following this review, Canada accepted the First Nation's claim for negotiations under its Specific Claims Policy in November 2003.

The Government of Canada represents the interests of all Canadians in negotiating settlements of specific claims with First Nations. As is the case with negotiations taking place across the country, an experienced federal negotiation team is in place to conclude a negotiated settlement with the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte. This team is lead by Sean Kennedy, who was appointed as Chief Federal Negotiator in January of 2007, to advance the work to resolve the claim. The federal team is supported by a Community Liaison Official, Mr. Doug Forbes, who will facilitate information sharing with the public about the ongoing negotiation process. As part of his work, Mr. Forbes will also be available to meet with interested third parties and groups to inform them about the process, answer questions and hear their concerns.

The Government of Canada is committed to working with the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte to conclude a fair and final settlement of this claim that meets the needs and interests of both parties. As these negotiations proceed, the Government of Canada will continue to engage the municipal and provincial governments and other key third-party stakeholders.

The Benefits of Settling Claims

The Government of Canada believes that the best way to resolve outstanding claims is outside of the court process, through negotiations with First Nations. It is in the best interests of all Canadians, Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal alike, to find mutually-acceptable ways to resolve such claims. Negotiations lead to "win-win" situations that balance the rights of all Canadians.

Private property is not expropriated to settle land claims and access to private property is protected. If land changes hands as a result of a land claim, it will only take place on a willing-buyer/willing-seller basis.

Both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Canadians benefit from the fair resolution of specific claims. While addressing injustices that have undermined trust and understanding, settlements also bring hope and new economic opportunities to First Nation communities. First Nations who receive settlements often, in turn, invest their settlement dollars in neighbouring communities through economic development initiatives. Settling claims not only brings economic benefits to First Nations and local communities, but also provides certainty for First Nations, government and industry as well as non-Aboriginal Canadians. Negotiated settlements are about justice, respect and reconciliation. They are not only about coming to terms with the past, but also about building a better future for all Canadians.

[Rue]

Who, what and where I am is none of your business and has nothing to do with this thread.

So ,Posit , you are First Nation .

Ok, thats fine, it just makes things so much clearer . I have followed along on these posts and you interchange "we" and "them" .

Clarity is all I was seeking.

Why does it make things much clearer. I agree with his views 100% because I am a lawyer who has bothered to try read the law and understand it.

[rks]

Private property is not expropriated to settle land claims and access to private property is protected. If land changes hands as a result of a land claim, it will only take place on a willing-buyer/willing-seller basis.

What do you mean by the following;

The only point of negotiation is what to do with the squatters that are on the territory that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

As of this week the Chief has submitted a timetable for return of the tract and with some hundred or so Mohawk households on the Tract and a whole lot more with their houses for sale, it shouldn't take too long.

[Posit]

When the land is returned - and it will be returned - the people who are not members of the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte will be living on Mohawk Territory.

Presently there is no requirement for the MBQ to pay to resettle any Canadian that wants to move. It is something that our government will have to consider in the compensation package as they negotiate with the natives. However I suspect (and have heard some rumblings) that the government will provide a buy-out package to the residents and those who reject it will fall under the MBQ jurisdiction. Any taxes they pay would likely be directed towards MBQ and additional rent monies for the land may be required.

I have no doubt that the land will be returned. People may move and some may stay. However, when the government returned parts of Shannonville (another town on the west side of the reserve) they bought out the residents and tore down the houses. Although it may not be expropriation, a forced buy-out is essentially the same thing.