madmax Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 The deal is begining to take it's toll.May loses strategist because of deal That is a very interesting article. I think the biggest disapointment is that the Greens where trying to portray themselves as "fresh and new" and above the political games of the "old" parties. May has been around political circles since Mulroney and this deal reflects nothing "fresh". It is old style politics, and the very fact that Chretian is endorsing the idea, reminds me of the reasons why the Liberals are in opposition. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 The deal with Dion was a backroom deal. Jack Layton pointed out the obvious. ... May then went on to claim that Jack Layton was initiating backroom deals with Stephen Harper while she was being questioned about her character. Elizabeth May as far as I am aware has not provided any proof and is using her comments to smear Harper and Layton with the same Brush as Dion and herself. May was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Jack Layton criticizing someone for a "backroom deal" when Layton has had his fair share of "backroom deals"....if not with Harper (which he has), then certainly with Paul Martin in 2005. Point is, Jack has zero credibility when it comes to backroom deals. Wouldn't you agree? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 May was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Jack Layton criticizing someone for a "backroom deal" when Layton has had his fair share of "backroom deals"....if not with Harper (which he has), then certainly with Paul Martin in 2005. Point is, Jack has zero credibility when it comes to backroom deals. Wouldn't you agree? Why do you say "If not with Harper, (which he has)" Which is it? Right now, I do not agree with anything you have said. I have noted whose statement I agreed with and why. The resignation of the Green Party Strategist suggests that this has not been a wise move. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Why do you say "If not with Harper, (which he has)"Which is it? Right now, I do not agree with anything you have said. I have noted whose statement I agreed with and why. The resignation of the Green Party Strategist suggests that this has not been a wise move. He has had deals with both Martin and Harper...but since there are quite a few partisan Conservatives on this board who will never admit that Harper had any backroom deals with Layton, surely even the most partisan of Conservatives remember Jack's famous deal with Paul Martin in 2005? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 He has had deals with both Martin and Harper...but since there are quite a few partisan Conservatives on this board who will never admit that Harper had any backroom deals with Layton, surely even the most partisan of Conservatives remember Jack's famous deal with Paul Martin in 2005? You have yet to prove your position. You are trying to form an opinion of an event and I am not buying it. This thread is about the Elizabeth May, Stephen Dion deal. Is it a good deal or not? Quote
madmax Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Here are a variety of letters from the east coast. http://www.herald.ns.ca/Letters/638129.html Quote
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 You have yet to prove your position. You are trying to form an opinion of an event and I am not buying it. Are you denying that Layton and Martin had a backroom deal in 2005? This thread is about the Elizabeth May, Stephen Dion deal.Is it a good deal or not? I see no problem with the deal. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Canuck E Stan Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 The deal is begining to take it's toll. May loses strategist because of deal It is old style politics, and the very fact that Chretian is endorsing the idea, reminds me of the reasons why the Liberals are in opposition. Dan Baril's blog Former strategist for May,Dan Baril, gives advice on his blog to Lizzy and Stephie. First and foremost, stop publicly saying there weren't minions involved. There were. I was one of them. But my strong-strong advice to Mr. Dion and Ms. May, as offered before so it's nothing new, stop listening to the minion on the Liberal side of the table, whose advice was followed over mine. Second, a certain amount of damage is already done. Third, you also can't go back to circa the end of January or beginning of February, before Mr. Dion's numbers started to tank and follow my then advice which was, in light of the Greens failure to land Garth Turner, for Elizabeth to also join the Liberals with a good chance of becoming Environment Minister, or worse case scenario, environment critic for the official opposition. Fourth, Elizabeth you need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to win against Mr. MacKay. It will be difficult, perhaps even impossible. I have already previously outlined some of the campaign strategies you needed to start working the day after London. Fifth, the Leader's Debates. This is a sad-sad turn of events. So sad that I hardly know what to advise. Given the effort and success that was going to see you in the leaders' debates, losing that jewel, if that occurs, will be among the greatest achievements lost in the Greens bid to make positive political history. Finally, to both leaders, stop thinking it's still about unseating Mr. Harper. It's no longer that. Now, for the sake of the Environment and a few other files, it's about ensuring a Majority doesn't happen. The new objective involves an entirely different strategy that you had better - at least privately - get your heads around. You need to time this. You need to effect this. You need to listen ...... to the right people. Dan has a lot of other things to say. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
madmax Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 I see no problem with the deal. Had you said so earlier? If so I missed it. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 That's all you have to say. Of course that's all I have to say. Just like if you were to ask whether I have a problem with Jack Layton eating a sandwich for lunch, I would say no, I don't see a problem with that. Is that all you have to say, asking me if that's all I have to say? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 Are you denying that Layton and Martin had a backroom deal in 2005? I am waiting for you to back up your Harper-Layton statement. You have made numerous references without providing any proof. Quote
madmax Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 Finally, to both leaders, stop thinking it's still about unseating Mr. Harper. It's no longer that. Now, for the sake of the Environment and a few other files, it's about ensuring a Majority doesn't happen. The new objective involves an entirely different strategy that you had better - at least privately - get your heads around. You need to time this. You need to effect this. You need to listen ...... to the right people. Dan has a lot of other things to say. Even reading this shows a weakness in strategy. Perhaps they were right to fire him. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 I am waiting for you to back up your Harper-Layton statement. You have made numerous references without providing any proof. Link Happy? Now, your turn to answer my question: Are you denying that Layton and Martin had a "backroom deal" or do you agree that they did? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 I am waiting for you to back up your Harper-Layton statement. You have made numerous references without providing any proof. Link Happy? Happy? I am LOL. This is your evidence. Jack Layton threatening Stephen Harper with a non-cofidence vote if the Clean air acti isn't sent to committee. The clean air act was then blocked for months by the Liberals and the Conservatives. The BQ was involved with the other parties, and Elizabeth May claims to have been present for these meetings. Prime Minister Stephen Harper has agreed to send the government's Clean Air Act to a special committee for review following a threat by Jack Layton to topple the government over the issue Harper sure seems like a willing participant. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 This is your evidence. Jack Layton threatening Stephen Harper with a non-cofidence vote if the Clean air acti isn't sent to committee. Yep, just like he did to Martin in 2005...which brings me back to the question you STILL haven't answered... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 This is your evidence. Jack Layton threatening Stephen Harper with a non-cofidence vote if the Clean air acti isn't sent to committee. Yep, just like he did to Martin in 2005...which brings me back to the question you STILL haven't answered... Harper is must be shaking in his boots. Having his clean air act sent to committee. Which Party do you think benefited the most from the Pact. The Liberals or the Greens? Since you didn't like the results of the poll? Quote
gc1765 Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 Which Party do you think benefited the most from the Pact.The Liberals or the Greens? Since you didn't like the results of the poll? I'm not sure either one benefitted or lost a whole lot. I think some people might be drawn to the Liberals because of an endorsement from the Green Party on the environment issue. The greens won't gain much, unless May wins, but that is unlikely. If the Liberals don't do anything about the environment after that endorsement, the credibility of the greens will go down. And what poll are you talking about? I must have a poor memory cause I don't remember saying anything about not liking a poll recently. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 23, 2007 Report Posted April 23, 2007 I'm not sure either one benefitted or lost a whole lot. I think some people might be drawn to the Liberals because of an endorsement from the Green Party on the environment issue. The greens won't gain much, unless May wins, but that is unlikely. If the Liberals don't do anything about the environment after that endorsement, the credibility of the greens will go down. That is an interesting take. You could be correct with regards to the outcomes. Here is a transcript from the Green Debate. Even then Elizabeth May was of the opinion that Candidates should step aside. http://talkcanada.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_...696169993260949 Quote
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