The Great Global Warming Swindle

[PolyNewbie]

Then he went on to say when the crib is on fire, you don't wait to see if the baby is fire-retardant. That's pretty compelling stuff.

I think I will have to wash my monitor after seeing that.

[B. Max]

Then he went on to say when the crib is on fire, you don't wait to see if the baby is fire-retardant. That's pretty compelling stuff.

It is a bunch of nonsense like the rest of his claims that have been proven to be lies in his science fiction movie.

[Keepitsimple]

Here's an intelligent article on this video along with actual links to the original Time and Newsweek articles from the 70's that then predicted a Global Cooling Aplocolypse.

On the other hand, the climate has always been changing. The factors are so complex that the process isn't fully understood. In the mid-1970's, the doomsayers predicted global cooling, with Time Magazine foreseeing "Another Ice Age" and Newsweek presenting a dire scenario of a "Cooling World".

Link: http://tammybruce.com/2007/03/the_great_gl...rming_swind.php

[Eldrick Woods]

I've been away a few days and I've done so much reading and research my eye balls are fried.

I'm not participating anymore. This isn't a debate about science or saving he planet or truth. It's the same discussion being held on political shows.

There's no point people will believe what they want to believe. The fact is it's very difficult for the avg person to understand all the science around GW. Makes it easy for a PR machine that represents The largest CO2 emitters to create a debate.

Now the facts are the vast majority of peer reviewed papers on GW support the CO2 fact. The globe is warming and we're very likely responsible. I've gone through every expert on this video. Some I couldn't find much info on. All have not published a peer reviewed paper on GW in the last 10 years. I'm not sure how you can claim to be an expert, but I digress.

Judging from this board, it appears like the tobacco companies the well funded energy machine is creating a ton of noise. The difference is it was obvious to everyone that smoking caused cancer.

Just a side not on one of the 'scientist' Fred Singer in the documentary, he denied second hand smoke caused lung cancer in the past and still denies it. If you want get into the corner with this guy on the GW issue. all the power to you.

Anyway. I'm going with the scientists who have spent their lives studying it.

[B. Max]

Anyway. I'm going with the scientists who have spent their lives studying it.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

[Eldrick Woods]

Anyway. I'm going with the scientists who have spent their lives studying it.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

This statement like everything else you say is meaningless.

[B. Max]

This statement like everything else you say is meaningless.

Yes the facts are generally meaningless to those who are easily duped.

[Keepitsimple]

Patrick Moore appears in this video. He has an interesting background - an original co-founder of Greenpeace and it's President for quite a few years. He left the company in 1986 because he started to better understand the concept of Environmental Sustainability. In his words, he made the move from "Confrontation to Consensus". His very interesting background can be found at:

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore...vironmentalist)

Wikipedia also provided a link to this interesting article by Dr. Moore - an insight into modern-day Environmentalism:

Link: http://www.ccfassociation.org/moore28jan05.htm

Miami Herald

January 28, 2005

Environmental Movement Has Lost Its Way

By Dr. Patrick Moore

Scare tactics, disinformation go too far

I am often asked why I broke ranks with Greenpeace after 15 years as a founder and full-time environmental activist. I had my personal reasons, but it was on issues of policy that I found it necessary to move on.

By the mid-1980s, the environmental movement had abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism. I became aware of the emerging concept of sustainable development: balancing environmental, social and economic priorities. Converted to the idea that win-win solutions could be found by bringing all interests together, I made the move from confrontation to consensus.

[Catchme]

It seems some would still rather deny, instead of seeing things such as; London and the British government start planning the move of the population from the low lands around the Thames, because of the rising levels of the Atlantic bringing storm surges that their gates will no longer be able to control.

[noahbody]

It seems some would still rather deny, instead of seeing things such as; London and the British government start planning the move of the population from the low lands around the Thames, because of the rising levels of the Atlantic bringing storm surges that their gates will no longer be able to control.

Don't think there's much debate the the globe is getting warmer.

[Eldrick Woods]

This statement like everything else you say is meaningless.

Yes the facts are generally meaningless to those who are easily duped.

Correction. misleading facts are meaningless to which you're the standard. I said it earlier. Increased scrutiny would happen once this crockumentary took hold. Guess what. it's already happening. HAHA. Among of few notes. Old Data, Old Graphs, Incomplete Graphs, Incomplete explanations. The Great Global Warming Swindle is a complete crock.

Now that all the 'facts' have be shredded all you have is hyperbole. I'm a bit surprised at how fast it happened. And how easy it was. LOL

The truth will prevail. It always does.

[noahbody]

Anyway. I'm going with the scientists who have spent their lives studying it.

The debate now shouldn't be on reputations of scientists, it should be on the statemtent about the CO2 lag. Is it true or false? If true, we're about the spend billions on a global gun registry.

[shoggoth]

Not even close, less than 4% of CO2 is man made.

In the atmosphere a quarter of co2 is there because of human activity. 4% of emissions is an amount greater than the rate co2 is rising per year (ie human emissions can fully explain the rise in co2 from 280ppm to 380ppm). Therefore that rise over the last 150 years has led to about a quarter of co2 in the atmosphere being attributable ot human activity.

In addition, if you include water vapour which makes up well over 99% of all of the Earth's greenhouse gases, the human contribution to global warming through CO2 emissions is about 0.117%. (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html)

It's the increase, not the concentration that's important. If water vapor has remained constant, it cannot have contributed to any warming. co2 levels have increased 30% in the past 150 years. Water vapor levels have not increased that much. The increase in water vapor that has occured is a consequence of global warming - warmer air holds more water vapor. Water vapor is acting as an amplification of whatever is causing the warming, not the root cause. So rather than making the temperature rise from increasing co2 insignificant, water vapor feedback actually makes the warming from a co2 increase more than it would be. The IPCC projections for temperature in the next 100 years for example are based on water vapor being an important feedback amplification. I notice the site you link to doesn't mention that..

[Eldrick Woods]

The debate now shouldn't be on reputations of scientists, it should be on the statemtent about the CO2 lag. Is it true or false? If true, we're about the spend billions on a global gun registry.

Yes it did. But guess what. here's the full story. We can go through each point in the movie and it will shredded to pieces. I guarantee. This isn't California Court doubt doesn't apply here. This is science.

I'm not sure what the gun registry has to do with this debate, but I can see why you find this video so compelling it too is filled with erroneaus references that have no place in the story.

And BTW 100% YES The reputation of the scientist is important in this case because many of the 'scientists' in this video have not produced a peer reviewed paper on Global warming. We have nothing else to go on!

You asked for it.

http://icebubbles.ucsd.edu/Publications/CaillonTermIII.pdf

Good luck.

[PolyNewbie]

Eldrick, have you looked at the collapse of wtc7 ? Do you think that happened from fires and structural damage ?

Because if you do then you have no credibility with me.

www.wtc7.net

I don't know about this global warming thing yet, but its hard to find people that do not have alteriour motives. The wtc7 collapse is the acid test.

[PolyNewbie]

Colleges and Universities are implementing all kinds of Police programs. Thats because the police are needed for something - more control over a population that is waking up.

Now they need an excuse to implement another layer of control. Terrorism didn't work so they need global warming.

Its all in the Report From Iron Mountain - In there they explain that terrorism would work for a short time but the people would eventually wake up.

Next it will be flying saucers according to the report - which was done in the 60's.

If you have an open mind and are ready to accept information that doesn't reinforce your own viewpoint this deserves a look. Its got the past present & future in one 15 page document written by the best minds in the USA.

If global warming was actually real then it works in no ones interest to hide it. Even greedy oil executives and bought off politicians have families. Something would have been done about it a long time ago.

We would have seen peak temps right around ww2 and the end of ww2 when industry output peaked.

[shoggoth]

Industrial output didn't peak around WW2

[PolyNewbie]

CO2 output did. It really depends on how you measure industrial output.

Did you watch the movie ?

[B. Max]

Correction. misleading facts are meaningless to which you're the standard. I said it earlier. Increased scrutiny would happen once this crockumentary took hold. Guess what. it's already happening. HAHA. Among of few notes. Old Data, Old Graphs, Incomplete Graphs, Incomplete explanations. The Great Global Warming Swindle is a complete crock.

Now that all the 'facts' have be shredded all you have is hyperbole. I'm a bit surprised at how fast it happened. And how easy it was. LOL

The truth will prevail. It always does.

Nice try, but the facts are in the global swindle documentary and the truth is out. You have no facts to dispute them just as you have no evidence of man made global warming.

[B. Max]

Industrial output didn't peak around WW2

Why do you think they call it the dirty thirtys then.

[Canadian Blue]

Probably because there was a depression, and a large amount of dust storms as well.

[newbie]

If global warming was actually real then it works in no ones interest to hide it. Even greedy oil executives and bought off politicians have families. Something would have been done about it a long time ago.

Not really. Do you think, for example, that Kraft executives eat their own Kraft dinner? It's the same with the polluters. They are lining their pockets and only care about number one. I'm sure they have totally brainwashed themselves to believe their company's emissions pose no threat. A global warming proclamation and subsequent action means less in their pockets.

[shoggoth]

CO2 output did. It really depends on how you measure industrial output.

Did you watch the movie ?

Im refering to industrial output of co2. It's peaking today, it didn't peak in the 40s. Yes I did watch the movie.

[B. Max]

Im refering to industrial output of co2. It's peaking today, it didn't peak in the 40s. Yes I did watch the movie.

Yes peaking today, while temperatures reached their peak around 1940 as opposed to today.

[shoggoth]

Im refering to industrial output of co2. It's peaking today, it didn't peak in the 40s. Yes I did watch the movie.

Yes peaking today, while temperatures reached their peak around 1940 as opposed to today.

Temperatures are at their highest level today since records began (back to about 1880) so temperature couldn't have reached it's peak around 1940