Disolve Unecessary Governments

[NowDefeatPoverty]

It's not the number of elected officials that count, but the role of elected and unelected officials. If the Senate basically "rubber-stamps" legislation it's harmless. If it bogs down significant legislation and is unelected, it's quite harmful.

If the Senate is elected, it should be elected by a different formula than the "FPTP" House of Commons, in order to increase its consensus-building functions. I am not sure what voting method would be best. Perhaps, as in the US, EEE, or, possibly, elected by provincial Parliaments.

The Senate as it stands now seems visionary, if not impotent. They have written reports advising decriminalizing marijuana and getting rid of the penny. The former would increase police and judicuary budget enormously, decreasing drastically the # of violent crimes such as rapes and murders. I'll go out on a limb and say 1/5 of all rapes would not have happened if weed was legal and police departments had the extra resources. Yeah Harper is really for women... Killing the penny would save Canada $150 million annually.

Its not the Senate's fault Canadians are stupid enough to vote in a Conservative government after the Liberals stole around $25 million (by my math). That's 1/12 the cost of a federal election BTW.

[iamcanadian2]

The Senate as it stands now seems visionary, if not impotent.

Our Senate is not a government.

We have a lot of unecessary government that should be simply disbanded and removed. The Regional Municipal level of Ontario sticks out like a sore thumb as something that does not belong in the public sector.

[jbg]

The Senate as it stands now seems visionary, if not impotent.

Our Senate is not a government. We have a lot of unecessary government that should be simply disbanded and removed. The Regional Municipal level of Ontario sticks out like a sore thumb as something that does not belong in the public sector.

The Senate is a vigorous, hard working, and smart body.

[madmax]

Our Senate is not a government.

There is no reason to keep the Senate however the Senate is government. It is an unnecessary government.

Here is a link to prove that the Senate is government.

http://www.sen.parl.gc.ca/

I think your political bias towards the CPC desire to have a different way to select dead wood is getting in the way of whether or not the Senate is government.

[jbg]

I think your political bias towards the CPC desire to have a different way to select dead wood is getting in the way of whether or not the Senate is government.

In the best of all possible worlds, not necessarily reality, an effective bicameral legislature, elected by contrasting methods, is a check on tyranny of the majority. This is especially needed where the executive branch, effectively, sits in the Legislature. That leaves only the Courts as a theoretical check, and we all know where that goes.

[iamcanadian2]

The Senate is part of an existing gvoernment. It is not a government in its own right and has historical significance and presence.

Disolving unecessary government goes towards things like the Second Layer of Muncipal Government in Ontario that they call the Regional Level or Mezanine Layer as a primary example. The Nine Regional Governments of Ontario is the most corrupt and unecessary layer of government that can be easily eliminated alltogether with disbanding and disbarring its non-elected officials from public employment in a heart beat and that won't be missed for any reason historical or otherwise.

That is the biggest troth and a magnet layer where the mosst corrupt of the corrupt accumulate as they get weeded out of other layers of government. It is the elite of conmen and tyrants that make their bones in other levels of government and their hole in the wall where they cannot be touched or scrutinized by the public, the press or the elected who have no power over them.

[madmax]

In the best of all possible worlds, not necessarily reality, an effective bicameral legislature, elected by contrasting methods, is a check on tyranny of the majority.

I have heard this before somewhere? Tyranny, Checks..... you forgot balances

I am not a fan of such handcuffing. You can achieve better results with with one legislature and drop the first past the post format.

Regardless, Canada has been served well with one real parliment and the rubber stamp above. Dropping the Senate is a good thing. Its time to be dissolved occurred long ago. It is an unnecessary expense.

I do not wish to believe that the only thing checking the Tyranny of a Harper Majority would be the Senate.

This is especially needed where the executive branch, effectively, sits in the Legislature. That leaves only the Courts as a theoretical check, and we all know where that goes.

[blueblood]

In the best of all possible worlds, not necessarily reality, an effective bicameral legislature, elected by contrasting methods, is a check on tyranny of the majority.

I have heard this before somewhere? Tyranny, Checks..... you forgot balances

I am not a fan of such handcuffing. You can achieve better results with with one legislature and drop the first past the post format.

Regardless, Canada has been served well with one real parliment and the rubber stamp above. Dropping the Senate is a good thing. Its time to be dissolved occurred long ago. It is an unnecessary expense.

I do not wish to believe that the only thing checking the Tyranny of a Harper Majority would be the Senate.

This is especially needed where the executive branch, effectively, sits in the Legislature. That leaves only the Courts as a theoretical check, and we all know where that goes.

Of course the thing checking a harper tyranny majority would be the voting public on election day and the RCMP.