The left wing

[rrabbit]

When you get right down to it, most of the so called right wing are just wannabe kings. And most are just loser puppets of truly wealthy people who got wealthy by screwing someone or something over. They think that sucking up to rich people and their ideals will somehow gain them access to the "club". Bigger losers and puppets by far than any of those not-wealthy dirty tree hug'in hippies.

Wake up idiot! They're just using you to protect their interests and they're never ever going to let you into the club! No matter how you much you spend the rest of your life sucking up to them. Oh sure, they may have allowed you enough of a reward for your fealty to generate the illusion you're wealthier than most, buts thats all you'll ever get and you'll never really get to live like they do. This mere fact alone is greater just reward than I or any other leftie could ever deliver. Puppet Loser! Of course this truth won't really sink in for you until the day you die from some industrial disease caused by all this "economic development'. And thats the cherry on top of your "reward".

Even this division of left and right is a falacy perpetrated by the perpetrated elite. What exists is two camps, those who will do anything and everything to get rich (including criminal acts like murder if thats what it takes) and the rest of us who are human and care about humanity, not only our own, but that of those around us!

Ah Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......................

[geoffrey]

When you get right down to it, most of the so called right wing are just wannabe kings. And most are just loser puppets of truly wealthy people who got wealthy by screwing someone or something over.

I think your referring to Justin Trudeau, who's not a right wing type last time I checked.

They think that sucking up to rich people and their ideals will somehow gain them access to the "club". Bigger losers and puppets by far than any of those not-wealthy dirty tree hug'in hippies.

Tree huggin' hippies are puppets to their own causes, and live a poor standard of living because of it. Their choice though, I respect that.

What's this club? Sounds fun.

Wake up idiot! They're just using you to protect their interests and they're never ever going to let you into the club! No matter how you much you spend the rest of your life sucking up to them. Oh sure, they may have allowed you enough of a reward for your fealty to generate the illusion you're wealthier than most, buts thats all you'll ever get and you'll never really get to live like they do. This mere fact alone is greater just reward than I or any other leftie could ever deliver. Puppet Loser! Of course this truth won't really sink in for you until the day you die from some industrial disease caused by all this "economic development'. And thats the cherry on top of your "reward".

You achieve in Canada through hard work, not being born into wealth and privledge (though there are a VERY few slim cases of this). Anyone in Canada has the ability to be a corporate exec, MP, whatever is your personal ambition. Just do it up and stop whining about not being there.

Who are 'they' and why are 'they' your enemy (and apparently the enemy of right wingers)?

Why can't you live like them?

Even this division of left and right is a falacy perpetrated by the perpetrated elite. What exists is two camps, those who will do anything and everything to get rich (including criminal acts like murder if thats what it takes) and the rest of us who are human and care about humanity, not only our own, but that of those around us!

Perpetrated elite? Do you speak English or did you neglect to look up the big word before you used it. Completely out of context.

I don't see much difference in 'the right' or 'the left' in terms of their care for humanity, just different definitions of that path to success and perhaps moral obligations to those off the path.

[Saturn]

Think about this:

...

With this climate change bullshit, we're on the verge of being hijacked by these morons. And Suzuki is at the front of the line. Absolutely no concept of economics. Just a do-gooder blow hard.

LOL! Dude, have another drink.

[madmax]

Think about this: The left wing is comprised largely of people who never really created any enterpise (and most call enterprises BAD things ), expect things to be handed to them and and don't believe in fighting for something.

Thanks for the laugh.

If Conservatives grab an issue first then the opposite view is "left wing" because the position of this new Conservative Party and their supporters is to create a distance by creating a mythical wedge.

Yet the population remains the same and chooses whom they wish to vote for and keep them in power based on their results and track record. The rest is all rhetoric to keep you entertained.

Although there were regional variations, many working-class voters shifted from the NDP to the Tories in 1995 (instead of to the Liberals as expected pre-campaign), enabling the Tories to win a number of working-class ridings, such as Cambridge and Oshawa, which had long supported the NDP

Or as Geoffrey put it, do people put away their Socialist beards and pick up a copy of Milt Friedman?

Bottom line is that people are people. They work hard for a living and try to succeed. Some systems allow for more people the opportunities to succeed. Another open door or another step up.

Regardless of the Province or the Government, these opportunities have been pretty stable since the 50s. And prior to this it was far more difficult for the immigrant to succeed. Frank Stronich landed here and made a fortune. Good for him, and he did it in a nation that created the opportunity for his success. I have been to capitalist market driven 3rd world countries that don't have red tape or handouts, but have huge investment Capital and little movement towards a middle class.

The key to success is a trained, educated workforce capable of doing the task at hand.

In Communist China, Legions of Trained Engineers and managers are able to replace those here today, as the Capital is invested in that country.

So again thanks for the laugh, I understand why you use the name Jerry Seinfeild. It was a great rant, on a level Rick Mercer might give.

[daniel]

Go ahead and bitch at the Left all you want. Your Harper Government seems happy to embrace our policies now and you don't seem to have any problems with that.

[Michael Bluth]

Go ahead and bitch at the Left all you want. Your Harper Government seems happy to embrace our policies now and you don't seem to have any problems with that.

Choice in Childcare ... right wing.

Increased defence spending ... right wing.

Accountability act ... right wing.

GST cut ... right wing.

We wouldn't have gotten any of these with Paul Martin feeding at the trough for another term.

Nice try though...

[gc1765]

Accountability act ... right wing.

Ha! You mean the same accountability act that contains many of the provisions that Harper fought so hard against while he was with the NCC? Yeah, right-wingers love accountability, especially the NCC & Harper.

GST cut ... right wing.

We wouldn't have gotten any of these with Paul Martin feeding at the trough for another term.

Yeah, and we would have gotten an income tax increase either.

[Figleaf]

I don't know Gates political views, but his wealth came mostly from clever opportunism and a strong dose of good luck. That doesn't make him a criminal or a bad guy, but it's the truth.

Trudeau would have disagreed with you. "Luck is the time when opportunity and preparation meet."

I don't see how there's any disagreement.

It's the extent of common ground ideological ground between Trudeau and I. I don't believe much in luck, it's about making the right calls at the right time.

I think all you people who pretend not to believe in luck are deluding yourselves. Play poker for a few hours without ever getting a single decent hand, and your ability to win much is severely limited. Same with life.

You can still blow it with good luck, and you might still make it despite some bad luck, but to pretend luck plays no part is so contrary to actual experience that it smacks of being a quasi-religious position.

[Figleaf]

Dion is far left.

Wow, the ridiculous nonsense is running thick! Dion is not 'far left'. He's a Liberal for cripes sake!

[daniel]

Go ahead and bitch at the Left all you want. Your Harper Government seems happy to embrace our policies now and you don't seem to have any problems with that.

Choice in Childcare ... right wing.

Increased defence spending ... right wing.

Accountability act ... right wing.

GST cut ... right wing.

We wouldn't have gotten any of these with Paul Martin feeding at the trough for another term.

Nice try though...

Nice spin: it's actually

Choice in Childcare ... choices are to stay at home or stay at home. No business partnership to be seen.

The Liberal program was actual daycare spaces across the country so parents can actually go to work. The result of the Conservative Choice is layoff to Early Childcare professionals.

Increased defence spending ... right wing. You betcha. While cutting budgets to other social programs including scientific research and the 20% cut to Environmental programs.

Don't be surprised if Harper George-Bushes the country.

Accountability act ... right wing. Watered down so Harper himself can't get caught.

GST cut ... right wing. So is the invention of the GST - which begat the Reform Party remember?

Again, check the timeline. These were done before December 3rd.

[Figleaf]

Think about this:

JerrySeinfeld is largely a person who never really did anything except post stuff on the Internet (and choose a lame name from a has-been New York comedy show ), thinks he's right all the time and doesn't fight for anything but himself.

But because he typically spends time posting up and down this forum demonstrating against leftists, shouting about how ignorant they are, saving the world and other lofty vague goals and just generally thinking pretty damn good about himself for being such a smart, with-it kinda guy.

The problem is this: I BELIEVE JERRYSEINFELD ADOPTS THESE EMPTY PLATITUDES BECAUSE POSTING STUFF ON THE INTERNET, HE THINKS HE'S AUTOMATICALLY A "BETTER PERSON" THAN THE FILTHY LEFTISTS WHO DO NOTHING.

Jerry's platform is basically one of a loser who can elevate himself to greatness JUST BY POSTING ON THE INTERNET.

What a thought.

God help us if any of his un-thought out, pet strawman ideas ever actually went anywhere.

With this climate change denial bullshit, we're on the verge of being hijacked by some flat-earth morons. Even the oil companies aren't in the line anymore. Absolutely no concept of science or economics. Just nutjob blow hards.

Holy Sweet Lord! That's the great grandmother of all pwnings.

[Figleaf]

When you get right down to it, most of the so called right wing are just wannabe kings. And most are just loser puppets of truly wealthy people who got wealthy by screwing someone or something over. They think that sucking up to rich people and their ideals will somehow gain them access to the "club". Bigger losers and puppets by far than any of those not-wealthy dirty tree hug'in hippies.

Wake up idiot! They're just using you to protect their interests and they're never ever going to let you into the club! No matter how you much you spend the rest of your life sucking up to them. Oh sure, they may have allowed you enough of a reward for your fealty to generate the illusion you're wealthier than most, buts thats all you'll ever get and you'll never really get to live like they do. This mere fact alone is greater just reward than I or any other leftie could ever deliver. Puppet Loser! Of course this truth won't really sink in for you until the day you die from some industrial disease caused by all this "economic development'. And thats the cherry on top of your "reward".

Even this division of left and right is a falacy perpetrated by the perpetrated elite. What exists is two camps, those who will do anything and everything to get rich (including criminal acts like murder if thats what it takes) and the rest of us who are human and care about humanity, not only our own, but that of those around us!

Ah Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......................

Who have ears, let them hear!

Welcome to the forum, rrabbit.

[Figleaf]

You achieve in Canada through hard work, not being born into wealth and privledge (though there are a VERY few slim cases of this).

Nice mantra, but how about some substantiation of such a counterintuitive assertion.

Anyone in Canada has the ability to be a corporate exec, MP, whatever is your personal ambition. Just do it up and stop whining about not being there.

:lol: Stop! IAGTDL!

[Michael Bluth]

Nice mantra, but how about some substantiation of such a counterintuitive assertion.

Hmmm, it is counterintuitive that you can achieve success with hard work and determination.

So Figleaf what is the path to success?

[geoffrey]

I really can't imagine what would stand in your way, other than gumpy people like Figleaf assuming they can't be anything because they weren't born into it.

[madmax]

Choice in Childcare ... right wing.

Child supplement perhaps but no real definable choice. These handouts have existed before and have been both opposed and supported by various conservative governments.

Increased defence spending ... right wing.

That is not a difficult task considering how many cuts occurred in the last 10 years to all public programs by the Liberals. It's about time. CF personell could use a raise.

Accountability act ... right wing.

Hmm, I could have heard Ed Broadbent loud and clear, throughout his political career, and more particularly when he returned to Politics and was outraged by what he saw. The accountability act was passed in parliment by all parties and in particular John Baird and Pat Martin worked tirelessly to get it done.

So, that is the act.

But when it comes to Accountability itself.

Allowing Emerson to switch parties and become a Conservative Cabinet Minister, "that's right wing."

Appointing a Conservative Bagman to the Senate and put him in a Cabinet Position holding lots of money

"That's Right Wing"

Doing what the Liberals did, and saying, well they did it, "That's Right Wing"

Or is it not any more "Right Wing" then "Left Wing" and purely a sign of Bad Government bellying up to the trough again.

GST cut ... right wing.

That is populist, not right wing. Mike Harris and Preston Manning both disagree with the measure over income tax cuts vs the income tax increase they CPC invoked.

Income tax increase...Right Wing

Starting to recognise how silly this phoney hype against the mythical left is. Don't you think the "Right Wing" looks pretty incompentent raising Income Taxes. Particularly since I am doing my Taxes right now.

We wouldn't have gotten any of these with Paul Martin feeding at the trough for another term.

Nice try though...

Is that the best defence you can find? I would like the bar set higher then a failed Prime Minister.

[Saturn]

Choice in Childcare ... right wing.

Increased defence spending ... right wing.

Accountability act ... right wing.

GST cut ... right wing.

A couple of corrections here:

Accountability act ... right wing. Real accountability ... left wing.

GST cut ... left wing.

[Michael Bluth]

A couple of corrections here:

Accountability act ... right wing. Real accountability ... left wing.

GST cut ... left wing.

Do clarify the correction on how real accountability is left wing?

If the GST cut is left wing why did Jack Layton, the entire NDP caucus and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives both oppose it?

Is that the best defence you can find? I would like the bar set higher then a failed Prime Minister.

That's who the Liberals ran as leader in 2006. He and Harper were the only ones with any chance of becoming Prime Minister.

If your complaint is that the bar wasn't set high enough you are clearly stretching for a reason to find fault. So I guess that means Stephen Harper is doing pretty well hey...

[Saturn]

Do clarify the correction on how real accountability is left wing?

Left wingers are concerned with accountability to the entire population. Right wingers are concerned with selling off public policy to the highest bidder - namely those who contributed the most to their party's coffers/campaigns.

If the GST cut is left wing why did Jack Layton, the entire NDP caucus and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives both oppose it?

Because it was a substitute for a much more progressive income tax cut.

[Michael Bluth]

Left wingers are concerned with accountability to the entire population. Right wingers are concerned with selling off public policy to the highest bidder - namely those who contributed the most to their party's coffers/campaigns.

Is that really the concern of right wingers?

If what you say is true, how could someboy with any sense of conscience, decency or honesty be anything but a left winger?

[Figleaf]

Nice mantra, but how about some substantiation of such a counterintuitive assertion.

Hmmm, it is counterintuitive that you can achieve success with hard work and determination.

The more counterintuitive part is that wealth or privilege has no part.

So Figleaf what is the path to success?

Well, some form of 'hard work' can certainly contribute to success. But I think it's more important to emphasize opportunism, alertness, optimizing efforts, and follow-through. (And of course, luck, including inherited privilege.)

[Michael Bluth]

Well, some form of 'hard work' can certainly contribute to success. But I think it's more important to emphasize opportunism, alertness, optimizing efforts, and follow-through. (And of course, luck, including inherited privilege.)

So you are saying the original assertion wasn't really counter-intuitive at all.

Would it be fair to say that one would need to be extremely lucky to succeed if they aren't at all hard working?

[Figleaf]

I really can't imagine what would stand in your way, ...

In your case, lack of imagination.

[Figleaf]

Well, some form of 'hard work' can certainly contribute to success. But I think it's more important to emphasize opportunism, alertness, optimizing efforts, and follow-through. (And of course, luck, including inherited privilege.)

So you are saying the original assertion wasn't really counter-intuitive at all.

No. Pay attention. It is counter intuitive. Wealth and privilege are obvoiusly advantages. Hard work (as I think Geoffrey imagines it) is clearly not a guaranteed path to success.

Would it be fair to say that one would need to be extremely lucky to succeed if they aren't at all hard working?

And also if they are hard working.

[Michael Bluth]

No. Pay attention. It is counter intuitive. Wealth and privilege are obvoiusly advantages. Hard work (as I think Geoffrey imagines it) is clearly not a guaranteed path to success.

No need to be rude.

There are no guaranteed paths to success in life.

Try and not post replies to what you *think* people might *imagine*.

There is nothing counter-intuitive about hard work being a necessary component in success.