Democrats And 2004

[libertypundit]

Supply side economics have stimulated the recent US economic surge. The Dumbocruds would like to do the following:

-Repeal all the tax cuts

-Increase even more than the Reps. gov't spend and fund it through higher taxes on the rich and business

-Re-Regulate [Dean's term] US society and impose Gov't everywhere [read Dean's speech]

-Move to Universal socialised health care

-Make sure there is no Tort reform so their legal friends can keep suing companies out of business and deposit received funds in Democratic coffers

-Ensure that no new energy sources in the US are found [other than hydrogen power to be funded by the gov't of course] so that the US is dependent on Saudi oil

-Further socialise the education system and disavow school choice.

Yes the Dumbo's are very left wing, and as Lenin said they are nothing more than Useful Idiots.

Add to the above the fact that Dean and co. would pull out of Iraq and we have a sad mix of left wing politics and ignorant foreign policy.

I am so glad there are others who understand! More power to you. I deal with these idiots everyday. But the good news is that they will not win the whitehouse in 2004.

[Morgan]

Look-ey here...a Trojan Horse is preparing to enter the political arena. Me thinks this could cause problems for the successful Democrat Presidential candidate,whichever Dwarf it is who wins the leadership ticket.

"Exploratory"...is this candidate fishing to be taken on by the Democrat Presidential candidate as the Vice Presidential choice? Kiss of death, IMHO.

"exploratory effort is coming online soon"

[righturnonred]

Not as if it really makes any differencee but isn't he getting into this a little late? The deadline for the first primary caucuses has already passed. History has shown that candidates who skip them are doomed to failure, not withstanding that fact that we're talking about Nader here.

The only one who could pull it off is Hitlery but she's not dumb enough to run against a successful, war time president.

[righturnonred]

I just ran across this interesting article concerning Nader. His chances are looking better and better by the minute.

Nader Denies Appearance With Racist Muslim

[Derek]

I don't think hillary is going to run in 2004, she would undoubtedly lose. Now 2008 i think she will definately run.

If Dean gets the Nomination he will ruin the democrats chances (DNC), and the clintons will have to come into "rescue" them so Hillary will get the nom. in 2008, this is what i see happening.

<Just my view>

[Morgan]

My point in posting Nader's "exploratory website" is that he could end up acting as the "spoiler" left wing candidate in 2004 like he did in 2000.

Or perhaps this time round, Nader has no intention of running as Dwarf #10 and is presenting a veiled threat to the DNC that he needs to be "accomodated" before the 2004 election. I think Nader still has a constituency of "green" left leaning voters.

Interesting possibilities.

I agree with you, Derek. Hillary plans to run for President in 2008. Argh!

[Morgan]

Righturnonred,

Though your post about Nader was said in jest,

I just ran across this interesting article concerning Nader. His chances are looking better and better by the minute. "Nader Denies Appearance With Racist Muslim"

I'm not sure if you are aware that Nader is an Arab-American. This fact, together with Nader's green voters, could make Nader's stock even more valuable re: the 2004 election. Do the Democrats dare ignore Nader again?

Here's a leftie article re: Nader and his appeal to Arab-American voters in the 2000 election:

In a sally that could broaden his support among Arab American voters concentrated in so-called battleground states, Ralph Nader accused Democratic presidential rival Al Gore of being "cowardly" in his stated support for Israel Sunday night, and suggested a more sympathetic approach toward the Palestinians could produce a Middle East peace settlement sooner than anticipated. Nader, a first-generation Lebanese-American who speaks fluent Arabic and received double-digit support among Arab Americans in a recent poll, has been critical of both Gore and Republican nominee George W. Bush for so enthusiastically backing Israel during the presidential debate.

"Nader has particularly strong support among Arab Americans," stated pollster John Zogby, who conducted the research (Zogby’s brother James is president of the Arab American Institute). "He is clearly having an impact on Gore's support. This could be particularly significant in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio -- three battleground states."

Nader says Gore is cowardly re: the Middle East

[Craig Read]

The Dumbos don't need Nader - they have Dean. Dean sounds more like good old Ralphie boy every day - regulate more, tax more, and have more gov't departments and ensure eco-friendly business is enshrined.

Whoopee!!

Demand management techniques and Keynesianism are failures. Pity that Dean and Ralph don't understand that.

[righturnonred]

You're right Morgan, Nader's candidacy would definately be helpful to Republicans. Unfortunately, in this respect, we can assume that his "constituency" has been significantly reduced since some of his previous voters have realized that he's a worthless condidate.

This then ties into Craig's point that Nader is probably not that much farther left than Dean, who probably provides considerable appeal for Naderites.

There is no doubt though that Nader certainly has the potential to damage democrats in any capacity.

I'm not sure if you are aware that Nader is an Arab-American

Actually I was suprised to learn this after reading the articale I posted. Of course, I myself, am at least five different kinds of "American". I don't really think it makes much difference.

I don't think hillary is going to run in 2004, she would undoubtedly lose. Now 2008 i think she will definately run.

Thats right. But what is even more sinister is that she actually wants GWB to win in 2004. She'd have a hard time running against an incubant Dem president in 08'. The new book, the visit to Afghanistan, both are examples of her effort to detract attention from the dwarves.

[Morgan]

righturnonred,

You share the "old school" melting pot American mindset of paying no heed to your ethnic roots in terms of relating them to political party loyalties.

But I don't think that's the case for many first and second generation Arab-Americans.

I think Nader could get some mileage out of his ethnicity in an election year that is post Iraq War. At least the Democrats might see it as a plus factor vs Nader's negative zealot "green" image.

Bush would be a shoe-in if Dean took Nader has his VP running mate or even if Nader did a well publicized endorsement and was given a high profile post in Dean's election committee. In the eyes of most Americans...Dean + Nader = double whammy nutbars. [in Canada this combination could probably beat the pants off Martin and Layton].

As well, I agree with your theory about Hillary's plan. As you pointed out, Hillary's plan is predicated on the assumption that Bush will win in 2004, ergo, any of the 9 dwarfs will do as sacrificial lambs in the next election, and then she'll "save" the DNC from political extinction by running against a Republican, who may not have her "whitewashed" name recognition in 2008.

And with a little help from her allies in the media[CNN, MSNBC, all versions of alphabet channels, Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC]Hillary could be a real force to be reckoned with in 2008.

As noted elsewhere, I truly believe that the only Republican match up that could effectively take on Hillary in 2008 would need either Condi Rice or Rudi Guilliani or a combination of both on the Presidential/VP ticket.

[Craig Read]

Hillary will not be a force in 2008. First when confronted she is entirely vacuous. She is robotic has the same pat answers for the standard questions, is not a dynamic thinker and is surrounded by Clinton's old team - hardly a group of world beaters. She is left of left centre, and appeals to a solid core of Dumbo supporters but will never be trusted by most of the party.

Thankfully the US voters will see through Hitlery and understand the sham that she is, and I truly doubt that the Demos will appoint her party leader for 2008.

She can't win not even with CNN telling you that she will.

The Reps might use Jeb Bush? or another strong Governor with a proven record of turning things around in his state. Maybe Jeb would be a good VP. 2008 is a long way away, but the war on terror will be either won or waning by then, the US economy will still be strong [it is on a 10 year rise I predict] and the Dumbocruds will still be searching for intelligent life and policy within their little world.

Don't forget the Dumbos appeal to the Coasts and liberal enclaves and not to the mass of America. They have only won ONE southern state in the past 3 elections.

They are not a national party and Hitlery Clinton only appeals to a narrow support base and is NOT the national leader that can pull the Demos together.

Having said that I would LOVE to see Hitlery Run and get smashed to bits by the Reps.

I would die a happy man when that happens.

[righturnonred]

You both make excellent points regarding Hillary in 08, and frankly all I can say is we'll have to wait and see.

There are just too many variables to account for at this point.

There is even the slight possiblity that Hillary may choose to sit out 08' if she feels the circumstances are not conducive to victory. After all, she is still relatively young and her patience is unmatched. She'll only get one shot at it.

One thing that's for certain is that the Dem party will still be in disarray after another 4 successful years of Bush.

[KrustyKidd]

The Dems biggest hope is Dean but his views on the war will drag them down. Bush is a shoe in with the war and economy, anybody with sense will sit it out so I agree, Hillary is not going to run. She'll spend the next four years building alliances and the next year forging some good parnerships touting her 'All American Unpartisan Ways.'

[Craig Read]

The Dumbo's are now very liberal and very left wing. Dean is dragging them all the way to Canadian styled liberalism - isolationism, bash the military, hate foreigners, regulate everything, tax more, and spend whatever nickels are rolling on the floor.

The Dumbo's are going to be marginalised. Greater America is not peopled by idiots [that group only exists in a few enclaves on either coast and votes Liberal]. They recognised that tax cuts, military strength and projected force are necessary to stimulate the economy and protect sovereignty.

The Dumbo's have no message, no vision - only a neanderthalic hatred of Bush.

Hating the incumbent has never won an election.

[righturnonred]

Dean is dragging them all the way to Canadian styled liberalism - isolationism, bash the military, hate foreigners, regulate everything, tax more, and spend whatever nickels are rolling on the floor.

It's possible that what happend to the conservative party in Canada could also occur with the liberal Democrats in the US, specifically, a fracturing of their party and subsequent marginalization.

I think it's looking more and more likely since the Democratic party, anyway, is nothing more than a loose coalition of disassociated special interest factions, none of which represent the mainstream of America.

The Dumbo's have no message, no vision - only a neanderthalic hatred of Bush.

This couldn't be more accurate. Any ideas they do present are just retarded:

-When Weasely Clark was asked this week what he would do to curb spending in Congress, he avoided the issue of spending all together and instead actually proposed raising taxes, on the "wealthiest" of Americans ofcourse. Uh Huh.

-John Kerry's solution to our foreign policy challenges is to make a greater effort to work with our allies? Creative

-When John Edwards was asked what he would do differently in Iraq, he responded that he would have the Russians and the Chinese each send a 100,000 troops, to which Tim Russert's follow up question was, "How fast can they say no"? Hillarious! Edwards is such a comedian.

Seriously, what dimension do these people originate from?

Hating the incumbent has never won an election

You might want to share this profound observation with the attendees of the recent "Hate Bush" conference in Hollywood.

[Craig Read]

RTOR, great post. Russert is a democrat by the way and was on Clinton's staff. He was interviewed on CNBC and was scathing about the 9 midgets running for leadership of the Dumbo party. The Dumbos have no hope of doing well in 04, [irregardless of what CNN, which now states that it will be a close race], since hating the incumbent President has never won an election. US voters expect reasoned plans and an engaged foreign policy; not tax hikes, spending increases, trade protectionism, or isolationism.

The Democrats have no reason to exist, they offer no strategic vision, and pander as you stated to various special interests - namely; unions, teachers, tort lawyers, and Ivy league academics.

Hardly a group that anyone should trust.

Dean will be historically linked with McGovern. I hope you are right and that the Dumbo's fracture and fall apart - perhaps into warring factions within their sorry party, or better yet, into 2 distinct parties.

Then the adults can stay in the White House for the next 12 years.

[righturnonred]

Dean and Clark are such characters. Weasily claims that Dean asked him to be his running mate back in September before the general decided to get into the race, a claim which the Dean campaign denies. This is comical, and typical at the same time.

Dean, Clark Squabble on VP Offer

I can't decide who's telling the truth here. Though it seems unbelievable, given Clark's history of waffling and half truths, it wouldn't surprise me if he conjured the whole thing out of thin air.

Although Dean is certainly a wackjob in own right, I can't for the life of me determine why he would deny this if it were true, I mean, who care's, so he asked Clark before he stepped in the race, big deal. Am I missing something here?

[righturnonred]

Rudy Giuliani will challenge Hitlery for her Senate seat in 2006. Two well-placed GOP insiders say it's 'basically a done deal'.

Hell yes! Good riddance b*tch.

GOP sources: Rudy 'to run against Hillary'

[Debo]

I disagree with you on the topic of France. They are one of our closest allies. In fact, we would not have for France we would not have won the revolution and had a country. 90% of the gunpowder we used was French. There were more French troops among our ranks when the Brittish surrendered than Colonists. The president of France was the first international leader to come to the US after 9/11 and offer there condolences. France has more than 500,000 invested in our economy.

None of my business, me being American and all, but things that happened that far in the past have no relevence to France/Canada today.

Chirac is above all a career politician and sides with whatever view will get him to power and keep him there.

If he saw no political or personel benifit to the France/Canada union it would desolve quick.

A relationship that hinges on keeping a worm happy is not a substance filled relationship.

France owed us, sort of, and it meant nothing to him.

You say you owe them, wonder what he thinks of that?