Derek

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/2004...81009-2541r.htm If this is true it is big, though no other Major news sources are reporting this (I wonder why?) But there seems to be some disagreement on whether this is true or not

As being the minority on this board dj, i completely agree with you. Being gay is not natural. If it was our physical aspects of our body would be quite different. Being homosexual is, to me, completely insane. To me homosexuals are just trying to be different in the sickest way. What is next. "Marrying" your pet? "Marrying" your sister? While i am in no way a homophobe....(as many of you would like to label myself) i do hate the lifestyle, not the person. But i do not like the way they flaunt themselves, the way they compare themselves to blacks in the 1960's. Today on Nat. news i saw a newly "wed" (pfft) gay man say bush was calling him a terrorist in his state of the Union address. Legalizing gay marriage is our first step to destruction of our morals and ethics. We all remember one of the main reason rome fell? Right? Gay Marriage is like saying, "hey We have no problem with you being a walking sin, and we are going to let you have whatever the hell you want, because your a 'minority' ", thanks to the judges and officials (mayors) who think they can twist bill of rights, constitution that has been already twisted to hell. I have a problem with gay people being gay, but i can't do anything about that anymore. But letting the people marry, is just taking this issue way too far.

Exactly. The UN is a complete waste of resources of the United States. France and Germany don't matter...Why do you keep bringing them up. They never did. To me WMDs don't even matter because we are there. We ousted a brutal dictator. That is enough to kick the guy's ass. He killed his own people. But you rather he be left in power? You rather he be left killing his own people? The man used WMDs we know that, you know that. That is enough. Yea but many more of us feel he is more fit to be Commander in Chief than John Fing Kerry. Im sorry but i would rather have a man who was given false intelligence in the oval office rather than a man who is a complete hypocrite. Said what? Bush will win cause he has proven himself to independents, Republicans, conservatives, and many moderate democrats. Look back at Bush's major accomplishments and you should (prolly won't) realize that Bush has been a successful president. Oh and there will be 4 more years of president bush whether you libs like it or not.

Economic growth is more important than "problems with the buget deficit" All in all he said the economy is in good shape. It seems to me the liberals want the economy to be bad just so they can get reelected.

Simply stated he would be bombarded by the Press with their polls. WMDs or not the bastard was still a threat to America. You kiddin me? Peter Jennings isn't Conservative, He is liberal. Trust me i see it in the media all the time. The Republicans can say what they want, that doesn't change the fact they are going to be pounded on it, if it is just a smigen contreversial. Rush Limbaugh Makes a "racist" comment ITS FRONTPAGE NEWS But when a Certain Democrat from New York (give ya a hint last name ends with linton) gives a racial comment, nobody in the media even takes a look at it. This is the biasness in the media today. The only balanced show is fox. Its a joke when you say this riff.

Hmmm, Rush Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Kudlow and Kramer, Harlborough (whatever his name is).... Even these morons are questioning Bush's spending habbits right now of all people. Not even they can find anymore excuses for Bush. And you Republicans complained about Gov. G. Davis' spending habbits...funny! Still if you ask any of those people, i bet they are still going to vote for bush in Nov, and that's what matters come election time. Simply Stated: Bush is still going to beat Kerry. No matter his spending habits, no matter the liberal media's continued onslaught on his Nat. Guard dute. He brought the economy out of a recession, and now greenspan projects the economy and the job market will continue to grow faster than expected. You can't argue with those results. The only major issues Kerry will be able to debate with bush is Healthcare and issues at home, Not the Economy or War, if he trys those two it will come back to haunt the idiot come the debates. Bush is going to get reelected whether you like it or not. Better get used to another 4 years!

I would like to ask you, if i have this out of context please correct me. Isn't it gore who took the election to the courts? So then it would have been his fault that bush won the election. Correct? Extremist policies? What pisses me off on this issue of his Nat. Guard duty is that the Liberal media is never satisfied. They keep peppering his press secretary with the same damn questions. It is really pissin me off. This is just another futile attempt to destroy a man's reputation and character who has brought this country out of a recession, and keep this country safe from terrorists around the world. Please the character assasination won't work. But they still try it anyways. People(mod. and indep. especially) are going to wake up and realize this character assasination shows the true side of the liberals leftist agenda. Bush is going to win reelection. MARK MY WORDS

You fail to look at what was going on in history then, especially with us supporting the "pre taliban," they became enemies when they knew where Osama was, hid osama and basically told america to buzz off, even when we helped them with the soviet invasion of afganistan in the 80's. Just because we support a country then we attack it doesn't mean it was for oil. (unlike the tunnel vision liberal thinking: everything bush does is for oil...) We were enemies with France, then allies during the independence. We were enemies with britian then gradually became allies. See every country does something like that throughout its history...

.....and what if they are greedy as hell? Siriff you can't say that in every aspect. Daniel....I would really like to know why you think that.

Please Sirriff We have heard enough of this leftwing conspiracy theory crap you have thrown at us. Simply put: Its just not true. Though you might think it, bush is not a gunslinging Ki yi yay! Cowboy that is only concerned with oil and money. You don't give bush any credit for anything he has done to make the world a better place. It just must all be for oil. It will be fun to see what you do when we do find the Wmds.

Well im surprised no one has posted this yet. But Saddam was captured by the 4th infantry today outside tikrit inside a hole. Only good can come of this.... Now libs, its still a quagmire???

Well i was watching the quotes and the Dow Jumped above 10000. Hmm...Sounds like its doing just as the "golden clinton years"

While I wouldn't mind if the US left the UN completely, I would also support a massive reform program. At this state it is utterly biased and unproductive. The US doesn't need the UN. Its just that simple. They slow down the progress of the nation.

Well sorry if you got that, im saying Jesus existed because there is credibility. Muhammad i believe existed, you know why? Credibility. Its how credible the source is. The bible is credible. I mean how can it not be? Yes its stories and parables could be false, (doubtfully in my opinion) But people have had to believe in Jesus when seeing him, then write it down. I mean, a bunch of people don't get together and say....hey lets face death and persecution to support a guy we made up!

Well, people didn't just blindly follow the idea of god right? They had to be sold on it...Now how do you sell people? Miracles. Jesus performed miracles moses did too. Now im wondering if these were made up? How did the guy writing them sell them? CREDIBILITY. We shall see in the future who is right about God. I say he is a being, he is a actual thing. You say he is an emotion. a feeling... so be it. We shall see....

Does he have credibility from other people? Jesus did. Well according to you Mr. Read you think that 2 billion people aren't knowledgeable about the bible. Thats a big margin for error..... Ok. I have Faith in Christ. You obviously resort to discrediting the bible as a source of info because of its age and many writers. I don't think you can even comprehend faith.

Hey daniel you wan't to hear some dumb quotes? "While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything - America owes us." -- Al Sharpton at the "State of the Black World Conference" in Atlanta And some more: "I think the country could be spared a lot of agony and the government could worry about inflation and a lot of other problems if [Nixon would] go on and resign. [There is] no question that an admission of making false statements to government officials and interfering with the FBI and the CIA is an impeachable offense." -- Bill Clinton on Richard Nixon in 1974 Oh wait he did the same thing.....wait....he didn't resign as nixon did..... You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." -- Bill Clinton in 1993, Philadeplphia Great....i wonder why dems. and libs. love this guy.... Oh and another classic "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" -- Bill Clinton on Monica Lewinsky (under oath) Bush showed patriotism, and had a big morale booster for the troops. Please before libs on these forums were saying he was a wuss for not going to Iraq. But now that he went it was for a political and poll gain? which is it? Nothing is ever good enough for you guys is it?

I don't think hillary is going to run in 2004, she would undoubtedly lose. Now 2008 i think she will definately run. If Dean gets the Nomination he will ruin the democrats chances (DNC), and the clintons will have to come into "rescue" them so Hillary will get the nom. in 2008, this is what i see happening. <Just my view>

Sorry Read, your wrong. the first part until you say its stories are full...... is right but from there you dive bomb. I am seriously doubting your knowledge on how the bible was formed. I believe, by my faith, that the bible was written by these people that were inspired by god. Yes they literally wrote the books, but GOD himself put the words into the people's minds. Historically inaccurate to you. When you speak of "magic, superstition" your prolly referring to parts like "the arc" jonah and the whale, and other such stories. God can do anything, so how can these stories be contridicted by god? (to me and other christians of course) To state that you do know enough to form an opinion about the bible is, to put it politely, total crap

Dear Craig, Christ was real. He was god. He did miraculous things in the world. I can "prove" this right with the oldest known credible historic book in the world a la BIBLE! Now what book do you have that is as credible and old as the bible? The bible was written by many people. The 12 (soon to be 13) disciples wrote books, we can prove that most of these men, if not all existed....I don't see how 12 knowledgable men from different backgrounds would get together and make up a being just to make a new religion.....

In 1958, Cleon Skoussen, former FBI agent, revealed in his book, THE NAKED COMMUNIST, the long term goals of the communist agenda. This information is also contained not only in the Congressional Record (August 1963), but also in the Communist Manifesto itself. For the sake of brevity, only a few of those goals are listed here: 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of moral strength. 3. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 4. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination. 5. Set up East West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.S. 6. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the United Nations. 7. Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. 8. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 9. Do away with loyalty oaths. 10. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. 11. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 12. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Get control of the teachers associations. 13. Gain control of all student newspapers. 14. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 15. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures. 16. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press. 17. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV. 18. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy. 19. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch. 20. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principles of separation of church and state. 21. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 22. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part in the big picture. 23. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the communist apparatus. 24. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 25. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 26. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. 27. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American traditions; that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political and social problems. Im not saying communism is on the rise. But it makes you wonder.....

Bible Verses themselves can be contridicted by other bible verses. Remember that. Its how you interpret the verses. Thats the reason im not catholic.... GO LUTHERANS!

What i would point to that Jesus exsisted is the Coffin they found containing the remains of James. I think the coffin said James son of joseph brother of jesus. Is that not proof enough? (sorry if someone stated this earlier, im too lazy to reread the entire thread this late...)

Elder i would like to know why this girl thinks your "Sect" of christianity is a cult. I hope you did not take this from her.

If you think about it, it should be the Baby's choice (featus) Please give him/her the chance!!!! I still stand by my remarks earlier People who abort are using existing "true" freedoms to get bye with their invented ones. Its quite disgusting, and it is abusing the amendments/ judicial system.