the Corrupt Intelligence Agency

[obsidian]

If any of you do the research (won’t be including citation yet) you will find that the CIA has been involved in numerous Black Operations. The CIA's role isn't just intelligence gathering, they are also used for black operations in which the US can't be held accountable, assassinations, coups, economic warfare, misinformation, provoking genocides, and for initially funding many terrorist organizations. However this is largely because of the American Publics unwillingness to sacrifice human lives for Pax Americana, or the neo-con doctrine of the Project for the New American Century. Americans cannot justify sacrificing lives for material commodities; whether it's gold, oil, COCAINE, or HEROIN. For the gov't to perform these "missions" they need to hide them from the American public, for fear of the non existent support they will get. Since 1947, and the creation of the National Security Act, the CIA spawned from this act have been waging these secret wars on the third world, forcing them to spread their legs and accept the inevitable raping by Corporate America.

Documented Covert Wars

Iran

Guatemala

Zaire

Dominican Republic

Indonesia

Greece

Chile

Laos

Cambodia

Grenada

El Salvador

Nicaragua

Afghanistan

Iraq

Vietnam

It is essential for any country, especially a super power, to have a intelligence agency. But the CIA is far from only being a intelligence gathering community. They've sold weapons to Iran-Iraq, provoked wars, and killed millions of innocent civilians. The role of an intelligence agency is to prevent attacks and if not prevent, allow for the preparation of and most importantly national defense. However if you compare that to the current role of the CIA it drastically differs.

The majority of the conflicts arise from leaders of certain countries trying to break free of US tyranny for the benefit of the country as a whole. A prime example of this can be found in an increasingly familiar country, that of Iraq. The British established Iraq as a mandate using military force. The British claimed this was because of fear of Nazi takeover or the possibility of the countries of {Baghdad, Mosul, and Basra} (modern day Iraq) to cut off oil to the west. The British then, with haste, gave power to the exiled King Faisal, any opposition would be crushed by the British army. The Hashemite rule lasted until 1958 when it was overthrown by a coup d'etat. The new gov’t threw out the Baghdad Pact and established friendly relations with the USSR. The US viewed this as very threatening, 5 years later there was an overthrow of the government organized by Colonel Abdul Salam Arif. Colonel Abdul Salam Arif was at first supportive of the Ba'ath Party (socialist) and then withdrew from the Ba'ath Party after he organized the coup and became president. Colonel Abdul Salam Arif was pro-US and abolished the past reforms of the prior governments. Suddam Hussein was next in line, when the gov’t was overthrown he became president of the Revolutionary Command Council. The CIA was usually the sole sponsor of the coups. Suddam reigned during the Iraq-Iran war and committed various human rights violations. In 1991 Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi territory, which is simply put, stealing. The CIA assured Kuwait and Iraq that they US would remain neutral, and the US began economic reforms within Iraq and sold arms to them. Yet when the Iraqis attacked, Bush Sr. said Iraq was poised to take over the whole Middle-East region and the threat must be neutralized. The truth is US, or any other country, would have reacted almost identically to the way Saddam had. Suddam was socialist and nationalized the Iraqi oil fields. This was a huge thorn in the sides of the US, France, and the UK who had previously controlled 95% of the regions oil. Bush Sr. jumped on this opportunity of public support to send troops into the region. During the war the US suffered only 150 fatalities while in Iraq more than 100,000 perished. This was a slanted war from the very beginning. The US used phosphorus weapons (incendiary rounds, banned by Geneva Convention) and mainly targeted the infrastructure of Iraq. The us bombed bridges, hospitals, food deposits, grain storage, water treatment plants, roads, etc. The US then exited Iraq and used their affluence on the UN to encourage economic sanctions. Since nearly all the infrastructure was destroyed Suddam Hussein could barely take care of his people. The US, in turn the UN, banned economic aid, financial aid, importation of food, and many more unjust and unnecessary sanctions. Among the "unjust and unnecessary sanction" the ban of water treatment materials are at the top of my list. After the Gulf War, and until recently, the leading cause of death in Iraq was diarrhea...solely caused by the imposed sanctions of the US. It is estimated that US economic sanctions are responsible for, conservatively, 500,000 deaths of innocent civilians. The US hoped that this would cause reforms in Iraq; they believed many would believe their propaganda, and that Saddam would be blamed for the situation and overthrown. However Suddam persevered, he established the oil for food program among many others attempts to benefit the country despite the sanctions. Suddam was to damn resilient, the people recognized how he had freed them from British, French, and American tyranny by nationalizing Iraqi oil. 10 years later Suddam was still in power, with no coup in sight, despite the sanctions, in despite of the western word. Iraq had not conformed and the US had had enough. The situation escalated 6 months prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq when Saddam proposed and started selling oil in euros. This threatened the petrodollar which, if other countries followed suit, would end the hegemony of the petrodollar and instate the petroeuro as the dominant currency for oil transactions. THE US/CIA HAD ENOUGH OF IT. Now it wasn't only the corporate profits which they were longing for at stake, it was also the hegemony of the US dollar. The CIA fabricated evidence, fed it through Psyops which spread the message to the military, and fed it through Public Relations to the news agencies. Success. The Americans had been conned into a conflict over non-existent weapons of mass destruction, reinstating cold war fears, justifying defence spending. The Americans got what they wanted: 1) Control of the nationalized oil 2) Destruction of Government, destabilization 3) Intimidation to any other countries that may step out of line. The US made the Shi'a, Kurd’s, and Sunni’s fight in a civil war for power over the country. While at war the Iraqi's couldn’t worry about oil. Does it surprise you that the US and UK now own Iraqi oil? Does it surprise you that there's a bloodbath over oil? I'll tell you it doesn't surprise me anymore, its what I have come to expect of them.

This is just one example of the numerous operations the US has been involved in without the consent of we the people, with no declaration of war. As I said before, intelligence gathering is crucial for national security, but is assure you that's not what it is used for. These countries posed no threat to the United States, they were all 3rd world. When we attacked Iraq in 2003 they were under 12 years of sanctions and could barely get clean water or medicine, let alone defend themselves. These actions result in the needless death of civilians so we can continue raping the world for its resources. Devaluing the people and the countries of the world for the benefit of whom? I don't think any of you own sweatshops, plantations, or oil companies; however most of our politicians are involved in one way or another. It is Corporate America who is seeking to gain from these atrocities. And frankly, they don't care about us either; they send us to war to die the same as they send us to war to kill. Give them the time and the place, and we're next on the cutting block.

and please please please don't think this is a one off.

don't think it doesn't matter...it does.

"In 1996, the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence issued a congressional report estimating that the clandestine service part of the intelligence community "easily" breaks "extremely serious laws" in countries around the world, 100,000 times every year."-document

and this is the one quote I will cite for you.

WAKE

UP

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[obsidian]

and just a little bit of history

JFK adamantly did not want to get involved in vietnam.

Ngo Dinh Diem did not want the war to escalate, he wanted the US to leave.

THEY WERE BOTH ASSASINATED WITHIN 20 DAYS OF EACHOTHER

and 8 months laters, there was war in vietnam.

[GostHacked]

Dupicate post... I am gonna report this one and have it taken off. you have started two exact same threads in different parts of the forums.

Read the rules if you have problems with it.

[obsidian]

ok ill take a warn, i thought it was in the worng place and wanted to move it because it wasnt getting any views or responses. and ps thank you so much for actually reading it (sarcasm)

and they arent exact duplicates, this one has some added.

[Argus]

ok ill take a warn, i thought it was in the worng place and wanted to move it because it wasnt getting any views or responses. and ps thank you so much for actually reading it (sarcasm)

and they arent exact duplicates, this one has some added.

Yeah, they're both stupid, though.

[Argus]

If any of you do the research (won’t be including citation yet) you will find that the CIA has been involved in numerous Black Operations.

Shocking. I never would have guessed.

The CIA's role isn't just intelligence gathering, they are also used for black operations in which the US can't be held accountable, assassinations, coups, economic warfare, misinformation, provoking genocides,

Provoking genocides? How many genocides has the CIA provoked? Dates and citations, please.

Or did you just add that because, like, it sounded better?

The majority of the conflicts arise from leaders of certain countries trying to break free of US tyranny for the benefit of the country as a whole.

Funny. My recollection of events in just about every one of the countries you've cited above has the US or a US supported government or organization pitted against really scummy, vicious, murdering bastards who cared mainly for themselves.

The US then exited Iraq and used their affluence on the UN to encourage economic sanctions. Since nearly all the infrastructure was destroyed Suddam Hussein could barely take care of his people.

Poor man. Thankfully, he was able to take care of himself pretty well, and all his palaces, and his murdering offspring.

The US, in turn the UN, banned economic aid, financial aid, importation of food, and many more unjust and unnecessary sanctions.

The UN banned the importation of food? Cite please.

It is estimated that US economic sanctions are responsible for, conservatively, 500,000 deaths of innocent civilians. The US hoped that this would cause reforms in Iraq; they believed many would believe their propaganda, and that Saddam would be blamed for the situation and overthrown. However Suddam persevered, he established the oil for food program among many others attempts to benefit the country despite the sanctions.

This is certainly an interesting take on how a vicious, murdering bastard managed to stay in power by crushing his people under the yoke of his secret police and elite military. You evidently are quite fond of the fellow. Are you, by any chance, and Iraqi expatriate? Or do you just have a very odd way of looking at life?

[obsidian]

argus can u wait a day? ill answer all your questions

[obsidian]

as for the "non-existent" genocide i added in just for the sake of sounding good....

"In 1965 Sukarno was overthrown in a coup d'état led by Suharto; [citation needed] much political violence characterised Indonesia under Suharto's rule. In a 1968 report, the CIA estimated there had been 250,000 people killed, and called the carnage "one of the worst mass murders of the twentieth century."[16]

The CIA secretly supplied Suharto's troops with a state-of-the-art field communications network, delivered from the Philippine Islands at night by the US Air Force, its frequencies were known only to the CIA and the National Security Agency."

16 ^ Kadane, Kathy; see above. Time magazine hailed Suharto's "New Order" as "the West's best news for years in Asia." (July 15, 1966) "". Time. ,

Indonesia, 1965. CIA and State Department officials provided name lists to Indonesian army that killed 250,000. The Progressive, 7/10/1990, p. 9

Indonesia, 1965. Ex-agents say CIA compiled death lists for Indonesians. San Francisco Examiner, 5/20/1990

Indonesia, 1965-85. Death squads roam at will, killing subversives, suspected criminals by thousands. Blum, W. (1986). The CIA A Forgotten History, p. 221

Indonesia, 1965-66. In response to Kathy Kadane's May 21 article in Washington Post, Robert J. Martens responds "it is true I passed names of PKI leaders and senior cadre system to non-communist forces during the six months of chaos between the so-called coup and the ultimate downfall of Sukarno. The names I gave were based entirely on Indonesian communist press and were available to everyone. This was senior cadre system of the PKI few thousand at most out of the 3.5 millions claimed party members. I categorically deny that I headed an embassy group that spent two years compiling the lists." Washington Post, 6/2/1990, A18

"I probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that's not all bad. There's a time when you have to strike hard at a decisive moment." So said Robert J. Martens, formerly a political officer in the U.S. embassy in Indonesia, as he described to reporter Kathy Kadane how U.S. diplomats and CIA officers provided up to 5,000 names to Indonesian army death squads in 1965, and checked them off as they were killed or captured. The death toll reached a half million or so. Kadane's article was reprinted in the San Francisco Examiner (5/20/90) and the Washington Post (5/21/90), but soon the New York Times checked in with a damage control effort by Michael Wines (7/12/90), which had the effect of proclaiming the end of the story.

yes they may be brutal, but remember, most of the worst are cia installed. im not advocating anything that these criminals have done, however i think they would of been alot better off if we hadn't got involved. as capitalists, we do not enter a country to ever bring them freedom or make their lives better. as capitalist we enter a country to exploit it as much as possible for the most profit possible. we rob them of their wealth, force them to trade with us, supplying us with extremely cheap labour and commodities. for the profit of the corporations, and the $5 t-shirt at walmart, which cost .05 to make, and the workers get paid $30 usd or less a year.

"Poor man. Thankfully, he was able to take care of himself pretty well, and all his palaces, and his murdering offspring"

that doesnt change the fact that approximately 500, 000 children aged 1-5 died from these sanctions. how many did sadam kill? the us only wanted to get in for the oil, you think the US cares any more about the iraqis then sadam had? and as for him living well, is that a crime? bill gates has 46 thousand millions, look at the way he lives, and compare it to us. i know its hard to compare the two because they had it so much worse, but in essence it's the same thing. as for the murdering offspring, they probally couldnt of killed more than 50 people each. thats not justifying it, but compare it to the 500,000. in my oppinion saddams sons should be charged with war crimes, human rights violations w/e. and as for sadam, he is dead now. and the cia even used his assasination to destabalize the region evern further, escalating the ongoing civil war, causing a significant surge in violence.

mind if i ask for the citation of these crimes of his sons? not that i dont believe you, but ive never read about the subject.

Resolution 661 which imposed stringent economic sanctions on Iraq, providing for a full trade embargo, excluding medical supplies, food and other items of humanitarian necessity, these to be determined by the Security Council sanctions committee. After the end of the 1991 Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions were linked to removal of Weapons of mass destruction by Resolution 687.[1].

exerpt from resolution 661

3. Decides that all States shall prevent:

(a) The import into their territories of all commodities and products originating in Iraq or Kuwait exported therefrom after the date of the present resolution;

( Any activities by their nationals or in their territories which would promote or are calculated to promote the export or trans-shipment of any commodities or products from Iraq or Kuwait; and any dealings by their nationals or their flag vessels or in their territories in any commodities or products originating in Iraq or Kuwait and exported therefrom after the date of the present resolution, including in particular any transfer of funds to Iraq or Kuwait for the purposes of such activities or dealings;

© The sale or supply by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels of any commodities or products, including weapons or any other military equipment, whether or not originating in their territories but not including supplies intended strictly for medical purposes, and, in humanitarian circumstances, foodstuffs, to any person or body in Iraq or Kuwait or to any person or body for the purposes of any business carried on in or operated from Iraq or Kuwait, and any activities by their nationals or in their territories which promote or are calculated to promote such sale or supply of such commodities or products;

link to the full list of sanctions ----> http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0661.htm

"This is certainly an interesting take on how a vicious, murdering bastard managed to stay in power by crushing his people under the yoke of his secret police and elite military. You evidently are quite fond of the fellow. Are you, by any chance, and Iraqi expatriate? Or do you just have a very odd way of looking at life?"

he stood in power for fear of the oil being owned by the west. saddams open bias and horrible views on the world are inexcusable, but then again so are the united states actions. however both are in the wrong, they do no cancel eachother out. the iraqi's are the ones who suffered from both ends. and as you can see now

,it is becoming more apparent that the iraqi's were almost better off. now the citizens are subject to random campaigns on civilian neighbourhoods, in which they consistently raid the homes for search of terrorist related evidence, which they do not find. its also ironic that they're looking for terrorist related evidence, when they were there because of weapons of mass destruction. asides from the harrasment of the US, the more pressing issue is the civil war. a government, corrupt or not, is the arteries of the country. the US are backing the shia, and the clever videotape scandal, has pitted the sunni vs the shia conflict to a boiling point. it is clear that they were much better off before the US had ever seen them. Saddam was being charged with 547 counts of murder, compare that to the war. i dont know about you, but id rather live in a country free of bullshit sanctions that starve my country, have free markets, for MY OWN country to actually own its wealth and not have all the profits go somewhere else and have 500 people killed over a 30+ year reign then what the US is doing.

"A few weeks later, he was charged by the Iraqi Special Tribunal with crimes committed against residents of Dujail in 1982, following a failed assassination attempt against him. Specific charges included the murder of 148 people, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 others."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Saddam-Form...ged-23683.shtml

CNN etc has imprinted the image of a savage dictator hated by his people, and that everyone lived in fear, but now i think iraqis are as afraid as ever...

[obsidian]

still think its stupid argus?

[Argus]

still think its stupid argus?

Ah, yup.

[obsidian]

uh, justify