Is it time for our charter to be re-ratified

Argus · February 27, 2007

I have real issues with mennonites advocating war or participation in war by canada.

Yes, one of the major problems in the world today are those war-like Mennonites.

Posit · February 27, 2007

The English language cost you far more than the French language does by way of improper comprehension, misused words and legal jargon to hide the true agenda behind laws and regulations. It would be much simpler if our one official language was French since it is far more descriptive with a whole lot less verbiage in describing the same scenario.

But the real issue isn't about language at all, is it.... It is about your precious money. And as an Anglo-European Christian white male, you begrudge any money being spent that doesn't directly benefit you, right? However, what you don't get is that the money offered to make bilingualism in this country is the price you pay for being Canadian. Being Canadian isn't about the Anglo-European Christian white male and never has been. It is about a bunch of immigrants coming to a land of natural beauty and resource wealth coming together for our joint benefit. It is about sharing what has been shared with us in the first place. And just because people with your world view immigrated here from Great Britain or other European doesn't give you anymore privilege than the Chinese, East Indian, or African immigrant seeking the same things. As soon as you come to that realization, the sooner you will become a true Canadian.

Catchme · February 27, 2007

Study Canadian history a bit, it may help you a bit to realize who actually helped create this country, and probably more so than your ancestors ever did.

How many generation Canadian are you leafless?

So what are you saying some Canadians are more Canadian than others?

My grandmother immigrated from Germany into Canada in 1876.

The rest is history.

My ancestors, both sides, predate your grandmothers by a couple of hundred years +.

Ah, I think I'm getting a better clue on which of our previously expelled loudmouthed members Catchme is. I knew I recognized the tone, but there have been so many shrill, left wingers bounced from this web site I wasn't sure which of them it was. Now I think I know.

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jbg · February 27, 2007

Oh most certainly anyone can make comments if they want, just as anyone can say; as an American you have no right to make comments on Canada's constitution. And that is a fact, I do not have to accept an American trashing the canadian constitution.
In fact why would an American want to make comments on Canada's constitution? Or why would some Canadians find this acceptable, and scream bloody murder if someone questions Bush et al's actions?

I guess you're avoiding the merits of my question which is, basically, "what kind of 'rights protection' would not protect the right of a business owner to hang out a sign which says 'Bob's Radiator' complete with the apostrophe"?

Posit · February 27, 2007

Businesses don't have rights in Canada nor would we want them to usurp the human rights guaranteed our citizens.

Catchme · February 27, 2007

In fact why would an American want to make comments on Canada's constitution? Or why would some Canadians find this acceptable, and scream bloody murder if someone questions Bush et al's actions?

I guess you're avoiding the merits of my question which is, basically, "what kind of 'rights protection' would not protect the right of a business owner to hang out a sign which says 'Bob's Radiator' complete with the apostrophe"?

That is because there were no merits

Leafless · February 27, 2007

The English language cost you far more than the French language does by way of improper comprehension, misused words and legal jargon to hide the true agenda behind laws and regulations. It would be much simpler if our one official language was French since it is far more descriptive with a whole lot less verbiage in describing the same scenario.
But the real issue isn't about language at all, is it.... It is about your precious money. And as an Anglo-European Christian white male, you begrudge any money being spent that doesn't directly benefit you, right? However, what you don't get is that the money offered to make bilingualism in this country is the price you pay for being Canadian. Being Canadian isn't about the Anglo-European Christian white male and never has been. It is about a bunch of immigrants coming to a land of natural beauty and resource wealth coming together for our joint benefit. It is about sharing what has been shared with us in the first place. And just because people with your world view immigrated here from Great Britain or other European doesn't give you anymore privilege than the Chinese, East Indian, or African immigrant seeking the same things. As soon as you come to that realization, the sooner you will become a true Canadian.

Language evolves naturally and the majority language in Canada by choice (free choice), is English and is the international language of the world.

http://www.answers.com/topic/english-language

The federal government has no mandate to make this country bilingual as it does not have the legal power to do that, as language is controlled by the provinces. So what your saying about this is the price you pay for being Canadian to make this country bilingual is BS.

It should be remembered it was the Liberals that included a high content of Quebec MP'S that spearheaded 'official multiculturalism' and the creation of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'.

What the federal government has done though was create discriminatory policies in an effort to overly promote French in the federal public service by making it 'officially bilingual'. It has also stepped out of its federal bounds into provincial territory in an effort to promote French with incentives to cities. But strangely it has made no effort to encourage 'official bilingualism' in Quebec.

IMO and the opinion of many others this represents an unwarranted attack on the English language as French in Canada is not a commercial language on the same level as English, that engulfs all of Canada, but is a regional language mainly spoken in Quebec but even at that, not by its entire population.

Quebec itself is not a country but simply a province and has NOTHING to offer English speaking Canadians as an incentive to move to Quebec, learn French and become part of Quebec. In fact Quebec goes out of its way in the way of protectionism concerning employment NOT to accommodate foreigners (non-Quebecers). But it has no problem pouring into the English province of Ontario to take jobs that DON'T have the same level of stringent draconian job protection policies that Quebec has.

Leafless · February 27, 2007

I think my Canadian hertiage (at least on my father's side) one ups Catchme's resume... we were amongst the first French settlers to Canada... we are talking early 1600's.

They stole the route to Canada from British and John Cabot who was here first.

Besides France never really populated the country sufficiently to defend it properly but were more interested in fish and fur exports back to France.

Posit · February 27, 2007

"They stole the route to Canada from British and John Cabot who was here first."

Give your head a shake. This continent was mapped out and trails cut long before our white ancestors showed up here.

Leafless · February 27, 2007

"They stole the route to Canada from British and John Cabot who was here first."
Give your head a shake. This continent was mapped out and trails cut long before our white ancestors showed up here.

Don't bother to post if you can't back up your BS with proof.

geoffrey · February 27, 2007

Besides France never really populated the country sufficiently to defend it properly but were more interested in fish and fur exports back to France.

Fish and fur, what else does one need? The French had it right.

Posit · February 27, 2007

Don't bother to post if you can't back up your BS with proof.

Ah divert from the point and attack the poster. Such an immature response, really....

I would suggest that you take to Canadian History. Long before us white guys arrived here the injuns had vast trade networks from South America to the Arctic. And in fact according to archaeological records that included the trading of metals and finished metal products more than 3000 years before we (our ancestors) discovered metal working in Europe. Us white guys weren't half as advanced as the natives at the same time.

White Doors · February 27, 2007

Don't bother to post if you can't back up your BS with proof.

Ah divert from the point and attack the poster. Such an immature response, really....

I would suggest that you take to Canadian History. Long before us white guys arrived here the injuns had vast trade networks from South America to the Arctic. And in fact according to archaeological records that included the trading of metals and finished metal products more than 3000 years before we (our ancestors) discovered metal working in Europe. Us white guys weren't half as advanced as the natives at the same time.

haha

You know that they have found 'white' DNA in 'natives' right? Europeans were here 13,000 years ago according to DNA records.

seabee · February 27, 2007

The PBS documentary that presented this theory also said that those "whites" came from France. But actually, the whole theory,while interesting and worth further research, is very far from being widely accepted and definitely cannot be considered as fact until there is a lot of corroborating evidence.

PBS also presented another documentary presenting the theory that the Chinese actually discovered America some 70 years before Colombus, and, you guessed it, also found chinese DNA in "natives", or amerindians.

Dig far enough, and you will be able to prove that we all have DNA from Africa.

As far as Amerindian commerce goes, it is well documented, particularly by the first French settlers in Acadia and in Canada the the various "indian" nations were traders. And archeological vestiges found in various locations indicated that they were originally from places hundreds and sometimes thousands of kilometers from where they were found.

Argus · February 28, 2007

The English language cost you far more than the French language does by way of improper comprehension, misused words and legal jargon to hide the true agenda behind laws and regulations. It would be much simpler if our one official language was French since it is far more descriptive with a whole lot less verbiage in describing the same scenario.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about the French language... among other things.

But the real issue isn't about language at all, is it.... It is about your precious money. And as an Anglo-European Christian white male, you begrudge any money being spent

On non-productive, lifelong loafers and drunkards. Yep.

Argus · February 28, 2007

Don't bother to post if you can't back up your BS with proof.

Ah divert from the point and attack the poster. Such an immature response, really....

I would suggest that you take to Canadian History. Long before us white guys arrived here the injuns had vast trade networks from South America to the Arctic

No, they actually didn't. They were small bands of savages who made war on and ate each other. The only sophisticated groups were in the far south - and mostly practiced human sacrifice rituals.

Catchme · February 28, 2007

Don't bother to post if you can't back up your BS with proof.

Ah divert from the point and attack the poster. Such an immature response, really....

I would suggest that you take to Canadian History. Long before us white guys arrived here the injuns had vast trade networks from South America to the Arctic

No, they actually didn't. They were small bands of savages who made war on and ate each other. The only sophisticated groups were in the far south - and mostly practiced human sacrifice rituals.

That is absolute fabrication, and actually borders on racism, it is so far from the truth.

stignasty · February 28, 2007

No, they actually didn't. They were small bands of savages who made war on and ate each other. The only sophisticated groups were in the far south - and mostly practiced human sacrifice rituals.

What is it with this board and it's overt anti-native sentiment?

jbg · February 28, 2007

In fact why would an American want to make comments on Canada's constitution? Or why would some Canadians find this acceptable, and scream bloody murder if someone questions Bush et al's actions?

I guess you're avoiding the merits of my question which is, basically, "what kind of 'rights protection' would not protect the right of a business owner to hang out a sign which says 'Bob's Radiator' complete with the apostrophe"?

That is because there were no merits

I appreciate your eloquent and pointed response.

Catchme · February 28, 2007

No, they actually didn't. They were small bands of savages who made war on and ate each other. The only sophisticated groups were in the far south - and mostly practiced human sacrifice rituals.

What is it with this board and it's overt anti-native sentiment?

I do not think it is the whole board just segments of it.

However, such erroneous anti-First Nations rhetoric is obvious for what it is.

Posit · February 28, 2007

No, they actually didn't. They were small bands of savages who made war on and ate each other. The only sophisticated groups were in the far south - and mostly practiced human sacrifice rituals.

What a pathetic ignorant response.

At about 100 years post contact the Iroquois Confederacy numbered 3.5 million people in about 700 agricultual villages spread out from where Georgia is today east to Quebec City, West to Detroit and north to Ottawa. At the same time the Three Council Fire Confederacy of the Anishnabec had a population of about 5 million people spread around Lake Michigan and Lake Superior, north of the Ottawa River to Timmins and into parts of Quebec in smaller family-based communities.

The Iroquois Confederacy had a complex government system based on a 1000 year old constitution call the Great Law that is still in effect today, and is the only true representative democracy in the world, where even the children are allowed to speak on national matters.

What dumb archaeologists summarized as ritual sacrifice in the Aztec and Mayan societies were really autopsies. Their societies like that of Iroquois Confederacy were thousands of years ahead of Europe in developing human physiological knowledge, astronomy, physics, social graces, etiquette and self-government. In fact when most of our ancestors first arrived here from Europe they only bathed once a year where washes and baths were a daily occurance in all Iroquois communities.

In a thousand years from now someone could easily look at Communion say that Christian churches practice ritualized cannibalism. I see you're not interested in reading history so why not see if you can say anything productive about the current events instead?

margrace · February 28, 2007

There will always be ignorant and racist white people, not just men. My female librarian boss was continually complaining about the ignorant Chinese and East Indian people. She was also the secretary for the local Conservative Party and worshipped the ground that Ernie Eves walked on.

When I reminded her that the Chinese, for instance, were using paper 1000 years before the English were she got rather angry at me. The superior Brits were far ahead of these people according to her.

Hydraboss · February 28, 2007

Perfectly racist comment, Margrace.

"There will always be ignorant and racist white people"

People like you make these types of comments and then wonder why people react badly to "minorities". Us ignorant, racist white people are tired of being the only people on the face of the planet that could possibly be racist. And you ignorant, racist white people making stupid comments such as this only serve to inflame the situation.

So as far as you're concerned, there is no such thing as a racist "minority"? Indians aren't racist? East Indians aren't racist? Chinese aren't racist? Blacks aren't racist? What about Ukrainians? They're minorities, but also white. Does that make them "mostly racist"? Or maybe a "white minority" and therefore not racist?

What a bunch of BS.

Catchme · February 28, 2007

Perfectly racist comment, Margrace.
"There will always be ignorant and racist white people"

People like you make these types of comments and then wonder why people react badly to "minorities". Us ignorant, racist white people are tired of being the only people on the face of the planet that could possibly be racist. And you ignorant, racist white people making stupid comments such as this only serve to inflame the situation.

So as far as you're concerned, there is no such thing as a racist "minority"? Indians aren't racist? East Indians aren't racist? Chinese aren't racist? Blacks aren't racist? What about Ukrainians? They're minorities, but also white. Does that make them "mostly racist"? Or maybe a "white minority" and therefore not racist?

What a bunch of BS.

Are you blaming white racism against other non-whites/minorities because other white people point out that other white people are being racist? And then accusing them of inflaming other white people's racism?

Hydraboss · February 28, 2007

"Are you blaming white racism against other non-whites/minorities because other white people point out that other white people are being racist? And then accusing them of inflaming other white people's racism?

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What I am saying is that people like Margrace love to call white males racist to the point of exclusion for other peoples. I am also sick to death of the apparent fact that ONLY white males can be racist. Everyone is racist. Period. There is not a soul on Earth that is not, given the right set of circumstances. If a Chinese guy stole your new car, you would be using some race-slandering comment to describe him to your friends. If the guy was Indian, same would apply. If the guy was white, you would find an equally degrading comment like "drunk", "stoner" or "neo-Nazi".

People like Margrace wish only for the entire white race in Canada to become self-deprecating, apologetic for their ancestor's actions, and willing to give their entire earnings to seniors and new immigrants. Anyone who refuses (and is white) is racist, biggoted, selfish, self-serving, and most certainly is not CANADIAN.

I, for one, am very tired of being called un-Canadian. So who makes the rules as to what is Canadian and what is not? You? If the way I feel is not Canadian, then let my province seperate and we'll do things our way. You Liberals can have the rest.