Too Much Like The Americans

[hiti]

Hiti:

Our troops were sent to Afghanistan for "military humanitarian, diplomatic, financial, legislative and domestic security initiatives purpose." It is Steve who turned this mission into a war to appease Bush.

It's a good thing history is recorded and filed away for all to see, or we would have to start believing all this liberal garbage on how our mission changed when the CPC took power.

Remember operation Anaconda, our first big operation in Afgan, just for some of you liberals who believe all that liberal preaching Operation Anaconda involved a large portion of the PPCLI Battle group, thier mission was to hunt down taliban groups not to offer humanitarian , diplomatic, financial or legislative aid, but to instead, relocate taliban elements from this planet so they could sit by allah's side with those virgins he's promised...

Problem is, people like to re write history then present it as fact.

What part of history did I rewrite? Or were you referring to someone else.

This history was not rewritten. It's in picture form so it's easy to understand. http://www.george-w-harper.com/index.htm

[Army Guy]

hiti:

Note: "to facilitate distribution of humanitarian relief and supplies." We all can check history and we all know that members of the 3 PPCLI Battle Group, comprised of 16 soldiers, including six snipers, joined Operation Anaconda. I was very proud of our Canadian snipers. They were superb.

So yes, Canada did send small battle groups who participated with allied nations but their main mission was "military humanitarian, diplomatic, financial, legislative and domestic security initiatives purpose" until Steve was elected and then it was "boots on the ground" and military photo-ops

dnd

Yes, that may of been our government (of the day) choice in words to describe our nations mission to it's own people. But below is a list of significant events, events that had to be authorized by our government of the day "the Liberal party, funny how a majority of them are combat missions, and not humanitarian missions. Proving that Canadian soldiers were in combat in large numbers under the liberal government .

So i may have gotten operation Anaconda and Harpoon mixed up that does not change the fact that Canadian soldiers were involved in large combat operations, at the begining of our deployment to Afgan. Regardless of how the liberal party spin this, Canadian soldiers were involved in taking the fight to the Taliban. And that these type of combat missions far out numbered the humanitarian ones as promised by the liberals...

Operation ANACONDA: During March 2002, members of the 3 PPCLI Battle Group were in the mountains of Paktia Province east of Gardez on Op ANACONDA, a U.S.-led coalition effort to search the mountains for Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters, capture them, and destroy their shelters. The Canadian contingent comprised 16 soldiers, including six snipers and an emergency extraction force of medical, security and transport personnel with vehicles specialized for winter operations. These soldiers came under fire and engaged the enemy; as a result, some Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters were killed. The coalition force met with determined resistance, and the enemy demonstrated that they were well organized and well supplied. Throughout Op ANACONDA, the Canadian sniper teams were noted for the deadly accuracy with which they suppressed enemy mortar and heavy machine-gun positions. They are credited with preventing or stopping attacks that could have taken the lives of many coalition soldiers.

Operation HARPOON: In the early hours of March 13, 2002, the coalition launched a separate offensive operation in roughly the same region as Op ANACONDA. This new mission, called Op HARPOON, was a joint Canadian-American assault using land and air forces to eliminate a specific pocket of Taliban and Al-Qaeda resistance. The land component was a battalion-sized mixed Canadian and American force under the tactical command of Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, the commanding officer of the 3 PPCLI Battle Group. On March 14, 2002, LCol Stogran's Canadian reconnaissance troops led one of his American platoons to a cave-and-bunker complex where the Americans proceeded to destroy several bunkers. Op HARPOON was completed on March 19, 2002.

The Tarnak Farm Incident: After Op HARPOON, the 3 PPCLI Battle Group returned to camp at Kandahar International Airport to resume their security duties and train for other taskings. On April 17, 2002, an aerial bomb was accidentally dropped during a live-fire exercise at Tarnak Farm, a designated training area about 5 km south of the Kandahar airfield. Four 3 PPCLI soldiers were killed and eight others were injured. The Minister of National Defence convened a Board of Inquiry to investigate the "Tarnak Farm incident", as it is now known, and portions of the Board's final report are now public.

Operation TORII: On May 4, 2002, the coalition forces in Afghanistan launched Op TORII, a three-day operation in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan conducted by LCol Pat Stogran in command of an international task force that included about 400 Canadian soldiers Their mission was to find Taliban and Al-Qaeda cave complexes, gather information about terrorist operations in the area, and destroy the cave complexes to prevent terrorists from using them in the future. Burial sites discovered during Op TORII yielded DNA evidence with potential intelligence value.

Zobol Province: Between June 30, 2002, and July 4, 2002, most of the 3 PPCLI Battle Group was deployed in Zobol Province, about 100 km northeast of Kandahar, to establish a coalition presence there for the first time. During this deployment, the Canadians and the Afghan National Army conducted a sweep operation in the Shin Key Valley that produced information about recent Al Qaeda and Taliban activities. They also recovered several rockets, fostered relations with the governor of the province, and distributed humanitarian aid (e.g., blankets, food, school supplies) to local people.

Repatriation: On July 13, 2002, the 3 PPCLI Battle Group ceased operations and began preparing to return to Canada. Following a brief stay in Guam, part of the planned reintegration process, the soldiers arrived in Edmonton, Alberta, on July 28, 2002, and July 30, 2002. The soldiers not based in Edmonton then continued on to their homes in Winnipeg, Manitoba; Kingston, Ontario; and Trenton, Ontario.

until Steve was elected and then it was "boots on the ground" and military photo-ops. http://mapleleafweb.com/education/spotligh...3/timeline.html

In July 2006, Canadian Forces launched Operation Medusa and Canada was at war

Once again the decission to move and take on the now "The Combat mission" in the south was taken by the liberal party. And since Harper did not take power until feb 2006, how is it his fault, how is it him appeasing the bush government. That would make your statement below false would it not.

Our troops were sent to Afghanistan for "military humanitarian, diplomatic, financial, legislative and domestic security initiatives purpose." It is Steve who turned this mission into a war to appease Bush.

DND

On October 18, 2005, Operation ATHENA ended with the withdrawal of the Canadian reconnaissance squadron from ISAF, and the end of five deployments of CF personnel to the Kabul area since August 2003, when the Canadian government first made a commitment to help the international community maintain a safe and secure environment in and around Kabul.

On November 29, 2005, the last Canadian material assets were moved and shipped out to Kandahar, and Camp Julien was officially handed over to the Afghan Ministry of Defence.

What part of history did I rewrite? Or were you referring to someone else.

You are trying to rewrite the part of history that clearly explains that the liberals sent us to afgan under the disguise of humanitarian work, but actually approved the use of it's soldiers in mostly combat missions. it was not until the mission moved to Kabul where Canadian soldiers actually did more humanitarian work than combat, and even then it was still involved in combat operations.

You are also trying to shift the blame on the harper government for sending our troops down into the southern portion of Afgan were combat mission are the norm, when history clearly shows us that it was the Liberal party that made those decisions... Sorry i did not have any fancy web site for you, or any pictures for you to browse thru. Just the facts.

[g_bambino]

Hiti:

Our troops were sent to Afghanistan for "military humanitarian, diplomatic, financial, legislative and domestic security initiatives purpose." It is Steve who turned this mission into a war to appease Bush.

It's a good thing history is recorded and filed away for all to see, or we would have to start believing all this liberal garbage on how our mission changed when the CPC took power.

Remember operation Anaconda, our first big operation in Afgan, just for some of you liberals who believe all that liberal preaching Operation Anaconda involved a large portion of the PPCLI Battle group, thier mission was to hunt down taliban groups not to offer humanitarian , diplomatic, financial or legislative aid, but to instead, relocate taliban elements from this planet so they could sit by allah's side with those virgins he's promised...

Problem is, people like to re write history then present it as fact.

What part of history did I rewrite? Or were you referring to someone else.

This history was not rewritten. It's in picture form so it's easy to understand. http://www.george-w-harper.com/index.htm

It seems pretty clear that he was referring to you. To help you understand: he was specifically referring to your claim that "our troops were sent to Afghanistan for 'military humanitarian, diplomatic, financial, legislative and domestic security initiatives purpose.'" You are rewriting history though omission, completely failing to acknowledge that under the previous Liberal government, since 2001, part of Canada's role in Afghanistan was to engage and kill enemy combatants. Before the present Conservative government came to power, Canadian soldiers took part in Operation Anaconda, in which 500-800 enemy were killed. During that offensive, a Canadian sniper team broke, and re-broke, the kill record for a long distance sniper kill set in the Vietnam War by an American Marine. Even up to 2005, Minister of Defence Bill Graham was stating that "Canadians must prepare for casualties as Canada's contingent in the volatile southern region of Afghanistan grows."

Hiti, you are either willfully ignorant to uphold your perceived moral superiority, or you have the memory of a goldfish.

Later note: I was unaware Army Guy was addressing some of my points, as he posted while I was composing the above.

[g_bambino]

All this talk of Harper being too American reminded me of this article that appeared in the Globe a little over a month ago, which claimed that Harper was more British-centric than American.

"Our Prime Minister has a very British-centric approach to the world," Mr. Kirton says. "He's from a Loyalist family; he's a long-term admirer of their system; a loyal Economist reader; his role model was Margaret Thatcher; and he says 'God save the Queen' in speeches.

"In Stephen Harper's map of the world, London is at the conceptual centre. So putting Wright there is not putting him at some Ye Olde Prestige post."

Globe and Mail: The Hidden Harper: How he is Redrawing the Political Map, at Home and Abroad

So, while the Liberals were publicly vehemently anti-American while privately cozying up to them, Harper is more openly pro-American but is more quietly snuggling towards Britain, and possibly even Australia.

[Kapitän Rotbart]

Shucks, I like George W. Bush (he's one of my heros... I love his internal policies).

I also like Stephen Harper, but alas I am not the biggest fan of his "supposive" posse, who are true Liberals at heart.

As for the war, I'll have to agree with some of the earlier comments saying that the war is inevitable, and will be on our territory or theirs, so might as well nip it in the bud and make sure our streets are safe.

Shucks, I'll agree with Anne Coulter that we should reserve the right to deliver democracy to the world, because all other currently existing systems are oppresive.