President Bush Insults Canada Again

[Catchme]

Hmmm, was just thinking about this, if the USA does not recognize what we are doing in Afghanistan as anything much, and definitely not enough to thank us for, then they would NOT miss our being there. A pertinent fact seeing as how we should have gotten out of there last fall.

What a slap in the face Bush gave to Canadians and an even laerger one to the families who have lost loved ones, and to those who are recovering from grevious injury.

[Drea]

This isn't the first time.

After 911, Bush thanked everyone except Canada and the right wing made the excuse "Chretien is anti-American so we understand Bush's lack of thanks"

Well, now that Harper is in -- what is Bush's excuse this time?

If you and your neigbour and three other neighbours from down the street help you move, do you forget to thank your closest neighbour? Do you simply assume that he "knows" you appreciate his assistance? Do you thank the guy who moved one box for you while forgetting the one that moved the piano?

(this folks is called an analogy)

Pffft. Bush is a moron.

[ft.niagara]

Pffft. Bush is a moron.

Probably right, but what difference does it make. He has less than two years left to go. Bash him all you want, even the right wingers don't really give a damn anymore. The campaigning has already begun for his job.

[Catchme]

This isn't the first time.

After 911, Bush thanked everyone except Canada and the right wing made the excuse "Chretien is anti-American so we understand Bush's lack of thanks"

Well, now that Harper is in -- what is Bush's excuse this time?

If you and your neigbour and three other neighbours from down the street help you move, do you forget to thank your closest neighbour? Do you simply assume that he "knows" you appreciate his assistance? Do you thank the guy who moved one box for you while forgetting the one that moved the piano?

(this folks is called an analogy)

He meant to say it, or he was only speaking about those who DO NOT have as much going on as we do, ya know, or there is no thanks necessary he knows what we are doing for them over them!

Let's face it "Steve" does not matter anymore to Bush than Chretien did.

Good analogy!

[Drea]

Catchme, it sickens me how Canadians will bow down to the US hedgemony, -- even in light of 85% of the American public who are questioning 911 and the policies of GW Bush.

He may be on his way out but whoever takes his place will be a puppet too and will continue on the course as set.

Democrat Obama -- cute as can be, and a fresh new face. But only a face -- the mindset remains the same.

Republican Guliano (sp) -- imagine that -- a man who was obviously complicit regarding 911 running the country -- of course! Once again, the mindset remains the same.

Frig, why not vote FEMA's "Your doing a great job Brownie" into office? For that matter, why not Bush's cute little dog Barney?

Poor Americans! Their country has gone to hell and they know it. They know there is no changing anything no matter whether dem or rep win the "election".

[BayLee]

ghanistan

Meddling in world affairs? Not that the terrorists harboured in Afghanistan had anything to do with an attack on the United States?

I presume you are talking about the Americans EX friends,the Taliban and thier very good friend who they used to help with their meddling...

Bin Laden

[geoffrey]

I presume you are talking about the Americans EX friends,the Taliban and thier very good friend who they used to help with their meddling...

Bin Laden

Get your head out of the 80's. Who cares, they pose a threat to the West so they need to be disposed of. I really dont' care who set them up to fight communism in the 80's.

[Canadian Blue]

Hmmm, was just thinking about this, if the USA does not recognize what we are doing in Afghanistan as anything much, and definitely not enough to thank us for, then they would NOT miss our being there. A pertinent fact seeing as how we should have gotten out of there last fall.

What a slap in the face Bush gave to Canadians and an even laerger one to the families who have lost loved ones, and to those who are recovering from grevious injury.

From what most of the troops over there say, they want to be there and believe they are doing good. They'd probably think it is more of a slap in the face to pull out simply because we couldn't handle a few casualties.

He may be on his way out but whoever takes his place will be a puppet too and will continue on the course as set.

Democrat Obama -- cute as can be, and a fresh new face. But only a face -- the mindset remains the same.

Republican Guliano (sp) -- imagine that -- a man who was obviously complicit regarding 911 running the country -- of course! Once again, the mindset remains the same.

Obama want's to withdraw from Iraq. As for being complicit in 9/11, really let's get over the conspiracy BS for once on here.

Catchme, it sickens me how Canadians will bow down to the US hedgemony, -- even in light of 85% of the American public who are questioning 911 and the policies of GW Bush.

I highly doubt that number is accurate. At best it was just spinned to make it look like everyone is a 9/11 revisionist.

[Catchme]

Catchme, it sickens me how Canadians will bow down to the US hedgemony, -- even in light of 85% of the American public who are questioning 911 and the policies of GW Bush.

Poor Americans! Their country has gone to hell and they know it. They know there is no changing anything no matter whether dem or rep win the "election".

How "some", Canadians bow down. And yes, it is sickening that they still insist that speaking truth about Bush et al, and their heinous actions, is bad. It gets to the point that one wonders if they are getting paid! Then one realizes they just have an agenda they are NOT willing to let go of, they think GWB is the second coming and armageddon is going to happen and they will be swept up in the rapture and will be watching all us heathens, be torn to shreds, all of that you know. Even though Bush has proved himself to be consummate evil, they still won't let that false image/idol go.

I agree the USA is in it's decline, the death throes are ugly, too bad we have blood on our hands from supporting them.

[geoffrey]

Then one realizes they just have an agenda they are NOT willing to let go of, they think GWB is the second coming and armageddon is going to happen and they will be swept up in the rapture and will be watching all us heathens, be torn to shreds, all of that you know. Even though Bush has proved himself to be consummate evil, they still won't let that false image/idol go.

Consummate evil? That's a laugh and a half.

And I'm sure that's what all of us are thinking on the sane side of the equation. I'm shocked at your quickness to bow the hegemony of Islamic extremism in asking us to abandon our mission in Afghanistan. You must worship Osama like some god and think that armageddon in coming... right?

That statement isn't even half as ridiculous as what you wrote above. Give your head a shake.

[Borg]

American mess?

NATO sent us there and Bush is no moron. In fact I figure he's a pretty cagey guy.

As for insults - where were you when our politicians were calling the Americans bastards?

No sense getting wrapped around the axle about this.

Borg

Calling Bush a moron is a violation of the rules.

The world calls bush a moron.

Interesting though.44 Canadians have died in Afghanistan trying to clean up an American mess.

bush totally disregards Canadas contribution and all you have to say is..

calling bush a moron is against the rules?????

[Rue]

I have always felt that until Canadians stop worring about what the US or anyone else thinks about us, we will continue to be a bunch of wusses.

Who cares that Bush forgot to mention Canada....are we that insecure that when this man forgets our country we get upset? Are we that insecure? Do we lack that much of an identity we depend on the US President to tell us who we are and what we do?

I could care less what Bush forgets to say. Bush's acknowledgment is not what makes me feel I am Canadian and no I don't lose sleep over what he says. I mean for heaven's sake this man has stuck his foot up his butt in one continuous motion since he was elected.

Enough with this woe is me America forgot us b.s. Enough with this does the world like us b.s.

Why must Canadians be so wussy about worrying what people say about us let alone the U.S.

Next we will have Stephen Harper go on Tyra Banks shiw to tell her how sad he was George forgot us?

(I chose Tyra because her thighs are even bigger then Ophrah's these days and I feel sorry for her-I always though her head looked like a big swollen light bulb)

[BayLee]

As for insults - where were you when our politicians were calling the Americans bastards?

Well for starters ONE politicion said that.

And that politicion was refering to the might American war maqhine as you certainly know.

[Borg]

<grin>

You live in a righteous world - the world of Baylee.

Join the world when you grow up and perhaps you will be taken seriously.

Until then I look forward to your posts as an equivalent to Readers Digest "Daily Chuckle".

Have a good day sweetie.

Borg

Oh, I would say Dave was angry, justifiably so, and as a matter of fact, I have seen Canadian Blue write something very similiar to Dave's angry blog, right here at mapleleaf fourms and using almost exactly the same profanities and perhaps a worse tone.

Dave is publically out, and is for sure a Canadian military veteran, I think, I will still believe Dave and his very angry words.

And here is another reason why:

Two unarmed Afghans killed by NATO troops

Updated Sat. Feb. 17 2007 1:48 PM ET

Canadian Press

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- Two unarmed Afghan civilians have been shot and killed by NATO forces in a pair of bizarre, seemingly unrelated incidents.

One incident around 3:40 p.m. local time west of Kandahar city involved a Canadian battle group patrol and a man the army is implying may have been mentally unstable.

Separately, unidentified alliance troops opened fire and killed a man who ran in between vehicles of a parked convoy in the pre-dawn hours, near Kandahar Airfield.

For the Canadians, it is the second unintentional shooting in a week. Both incidents today join a long series of shootings which have eroded relations with the Afghan population, who have taken to complaining bitterly about being in the crossfire _ or on the receiving end of stray warning shots.

Canadians Shot first ask questions later and more Afghan civilians die

[margrace]

What I find interesting in all this is that speakers coming to our conferences always avoided any suggestion or critism of Bush. Todays speaker from Florida originally Ohio made a point to tell us that she did not vote for bush. So what were the others so afraid of.

[Melanie_]

"MacKay said U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is "always" complimenting Canada for the Canadian Forces' role in southern Afghanistan,"

After MacKay was publicly humilliated by Belinda it is now obvious MacKay has his sights on bedding rice and it is no wonder he would make that remark

BayLee, sit down before you hurt yourself. Until you can see women in politics as having worthwhile contributions to make, devoid of sexual implications, you can't possibly be taken seriously. Would you suggest that, if Bush were to compliment Canada and MacKay comment on it, they too would immediately be hopping into bed? I'm no fan of any of these players, but I find your statements offensive.

[Catchme]

As for insults - where were you when our politicians were calling the Americans bastards?

Well for starters ONE politicion said that.

And that politicion was refering to the might American war maqhine as you certainly know.

Good correction, funny how some seem to always get it wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence to the proving other.

There can be no doubt that what the Bush admin did to Iraq and innocent Iraqis, was pure evil.

Stating such things does not mean one supports terrorism either. It is not an either or thing.

Iraq HAD NOTHING to do with 911, and people keep trying to mud the water when they try to connect the 2.

They stopped hunting for Osama in 2003, so they ARE NOT hunting those connected with 911 in Afghanitan either. Again why are we there? Oh, right Karzi and Oils private militia.

The Taliban does not = Al Qeada, they are 2 separate groups. again some seem to want to cloud the issue there too.

Moreover, like drea stated, the all the apologists for Bush, were gnashing their teeth over Bush's failure to thank Canada the last time too, all because of Chretien, they said. Now it is Steve and its all okay if Bush fails to thank Canada, we are just whoosies cause we want to be acknowledged. Talk about speaking out of both sides of their mouths, eh bayleaf?

Amazing isn't it?

[Canadian Blue]

The Taliban does not = Al Qeada, they are 2 separate groups. again some seem to want to cloud the issue there too.

The Taliban supported Bin Laden, thus the Taliban is allies with Al Queida and Bin Laden. The Taliban allowed Bin Laden to operate in Afghanistan.

There can be no doubt that what the Bush admin did to Iraq and innocent Iraqis, was pure evil.

Wait 25 years and let history decide what was evil and what was good.

BayLee, sit down before you hurt yourself. Until you can see women in politics as having worthwhile contributions to make, devoid of sexual implications, you can't possibly be taken seriously. Would you suggest that, if Bush were to compliment Canada and MacKay comment on it, they too would immediately be hopping into bed? I'm no fan of any of these players, but I find your statements offensive.

It's odd that the biggest feminist on here, won't name any names, refuses to lash out at Baylees comment's against a women in office.

[Borg]

Alter ego?

Borg

The Taliban does not = Al Qeada, they are 2 separate groups. again some seem to want to cloud the issue there too.

The Taliban supported Bin Laden, thus the Taliban is allies with Al Queida and Bin Laden. The Taliban allowed Bin Laden to operate in Afghanistan.

There can be no doubt that what the Bush admin did to Iraq and innocent Iraqis, was pure evil.

Wait 25 years and let history decide what was evil and what was good.

BayLee, sit down before you hurt yourself. Until you can see women in politics as having worthwhile contributions to make, devoid of sexual implications, you can't possibly be taken seriously. Would you suggest that, if Bush were to compliment Canada and MacKay comment on it, they too would immediately be hopping into bed? I'm no fan of any of these players, but I find your statements offensive.

It's odd that the biggest feminist on here, won't name any names, refuses to lash out at Baylees comment's against a women in office.

[Canadian Blue]

How "some", Canadians bow down. And yes, it is sickening that they still insist that speaking truth about Bush et al, and their heinous actions, is bad. It gets to the point that one wonders if they are getting paid! Then one realizes they just have an agenda they are NOT willing to let go of, they think GWB is the second coming and armageddon is going to happen and they will be swept up in the rapture and will be watching all us heathens, be torn to shreds, all of that you know. Even though Bush has proved himself to be consummate evil, they still won't let that false image/idol go.

I agree the USA is in it's decline, the death throes are ugly, too bad we have blood on our hands from supporting them.

Consumate evil, if Bush is evil then you have obviously never heard or read about the realities of people who are actually living in dictatorships or are living under tyranny. Iraq was an incompetent blunder, but really now consumate evil, Bush may be alot of things, incompetent, idiotic, and unintelligent, but he is by no mean's evil. If Bush is evil then so are many western world leaders in the past 100 years.

As well the fact that you are even allowed to say that shows that Bush isn't "evil", as in a truly "evil" dictatorship you would be hauled off and shot along with most of your family.

[BayLee]

Well CB using your words..

[e]

The Taliban supported Bin Laden, thus the Taliban is allies with Al Queida and Bin Laden. The Taliban allowed Bin Laden to operate in Afghanistan.

The Americans supported the Taliban and most certainly supported Bin Laden and the Americans most certainly allowed and used Bin Laden to operate in Afghanistan.

So you arnt saying are you that the Americans are allies with Al Quieda are you?

But given the Americans past with some pretty shady and despicable people,you cant put anything past the Americans

[Canadian Blue]

Opposition against, and conflict within, the series of communist governments that followed, was considerable. As part of a Cold War strategy, in 1979 the United States government under President Jimmy Carter and National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski began to covertly fund and train anti-government Mujahideen forces through the Pakistani secret service agency known as Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), who were derived from discontented Muslims in the country that opposed the official atheism of the Marxist regime. In order to bolster the local Communist forces, the Soviet Union—citing the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness that had been signed between the two countries —intervened on December 24, 1979. According to media and official government sources, between 110,000 to 150,000 Soviet troops, assisted by another 100,000 or so pro-communist Afghan troops, were present in Afghanistan. The Soviet occupation resulted in a mass exodus of over 5 million Afghans that moved into refugee camps in neighboring Pakistan, Iran and other countries. More than 3 million settled in Pakistan, over a million in Iran and many others in different countries of the world. Faced with mounting international pressure and the loss of over 15,000 Soviet soldiers as a result of Mujahideen opposition forces trained by the United States, Pakistan, and other foreign governments, the Soviets withdrew ten years later, in 1989.

I've done research, and all I can find is that the American's under Jimmy Carter supported the Mujahideen's war against the Soviets during the Cold War. The Taliban didn't come about until 1996 when they were brought into government, and even then I can't find links beyond conspiracy theories showing the US put them into power.

As for the Taliban not being linked to Osama Bin Laden, that's simply complete ignorance due to ideological viewpoints.

In 1996, Osama bin Laden moved to Afghanistan from Sudan. When the Taliban came to power, bin Laden was able to forge an alliance between the Taliban and his Al-Qaeda organization. It is understood that al-Qaeda-trained fighters known as the 055 Brigade were integrated with the Taliban army between 1997 and 2001. The Taliban and bin Laden had very close connections, which were formalized by a marriage of one of bin Laden's sons to Omar's daughter. During Osama bin Laden's stay in Afghanistan, he had helped finance the Taliban.[10]

After the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, Osama bin Laden and several al Qaeda members were indicted in U.S. criminal court.[11] The Taliban protected Osama bin Laden from extradition requests by the U.S., variously claiming that bin Laden had "gone missing" in Afghanistan[12] or that Washington "cannot provide any evidence or any proof" that bin Laden is involved in terrorist activities and that "without any evidence, bin Laden is a man without sin... he is a free man."[13] Evidence against bin Laden included courtroom testimony and satellite phone records but no physical 'proof' at the time linked bin Laden to allegations made by US intelligence and government channels.[14][15]

The Taliban continued to harbor bin Laden after the September 11, 2001 attacks, protesting his innocence[16], while at the same time offering to hand him over to a third nation. In 2004 bin Laden took personal responsibility for ordering the attacks on New York and Washington in a videotape broadcast on Al Jazeera.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Here is another quote about Bin Laden and the CIA.

However, Peter Bergen, a CNN journalist and adjunct professor who is known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, refuted Cook's notion, stating on August 15, 2006, the following:

“ The story about bin Laden and the CIA—that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden—is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_Bin_Lad..._in_Afghanistan

[BayLee]

I've done research, and all I can find is that the American's under Jimmy Carter supported the Mujahideen's war against the Soviets during the Cold War. The Taliban didn't come about until 1996 when they were brought into government, and even then I can't find links beyond conspiracy theories showing the US put them into power.

As for the Taliban not being linked to Osama Bin Laden, that's simply complete ignorance due to ideological viewpoints.

Who said the Taliban were /are not linked to Bin?

Only you it seems

I see you ignore the relationship the Americans had with Bin

And who do you think the Mujahideen ,the Americans great friends became?

The Americans support for them was to get the Soviets out of Aghanistan.

Imagine,the Americans upset because another country would dare invade and occupy another country.

THE NERVE of those soviets

Winepeg Jets go to Phoenix,same team,same players,just a different name

[Canadian Blue]

Who said the Taliban were /are not linked to Bin?

Only you it seems

No, catchme made that statement.

The Taliban does not = Al Qeada, they are 2 separate groups. again some seem to want to cloud the issue there too.

I see you ignore the relationship the Americans had with Bin

No, that's why I did a quick search, and provided a link with a quote which you been unable to do.

And who do you think the Mujahideen ,the Americans great friends became?

What?

Imagine,the Americans upset because another country would dare invade and occupy another country.

THE NERVE of those soviets

Well, it was the Cold War. That's how that war was fought.

Winepeg Jets go to Phoenix,same team,same players,just a different name

Winnipeg, great comparison.

[BayLee]

I see you ignore the relationship the Americans had with Bin

No, that's why I did a quick search, and provided a link with a quote which you been unable to do.

And who do you think the Mujahideen ,the Americans great friends became?

What?

So what are you saying?

After doing a QUICK search that you conclude that the Americans and BIN were not friends?

That BIN Baby was not trained by the CIA to help the Americans in their battle with the Soviets in Afhganistan.

You have all the brilliant answers.

Who do you think the Mujahideen became.

But I can tell you arnt a complete fool so I suspect you know the answer and are just playing a game here.

Isnt that what trolls are accused of doing?