Layton Addresses NDP in Manitoba

[jdobbin]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/02/03/...on-climate.html

"I think Mr. Harper is simply going to have to change direction," Layton said. "Surely it's time for him to abandon his somewhat ideological grip on old views and take a new approach."

The government could pass legislation in the next few weeks to set fuel efficiency standards for vehicles and put limits on industrial pollution, Layton said.

The NDP leader said there is an urgency to the issue of climate change and the government could use that sense of urgency to build support for attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

[B. Max]

On Friday, a report released by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 2,500 scientists from more than 130 countries, said climate changes are "very likely" caused by human activity.

In other words, they got jack shit nothing.

[madmax]

"I think Mr. Harper is simply going to have to change direction," Layton said. "Surely it's time for him to abandon his somewhat ideological grip on old views and take a new approach."

I think you have made a mistake in the thread title by accident.

[jdobbin]

I think you have made a mistake in the thread title by accident.

I already made a report to correct my oops.

[Catchme]

The CPC won't set targets, and are blocking this in committee along with the Liberals.

Canadian Press

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper says it’s pure fantasy to think that greenhouse emissions can be cut quickly and Canada must focus on “stabilizing” emissions before trying to reduce them.

Harper was responding to a massive report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that says evidence of global warming is unequivocal and human activity is to blame.

Then he pulled empty rhetoric out of his hat and said:

“We have to talk about facts, not about fantasy,” Harper said.

Asked whether Canadians can hope to see emissions start to decline by 2012, the expiry date of the Kyoto Protocol, Harper replied:

“The first step in any such plan is to try to stabilize emissions and obviously over the longer term to reduce them.

No way the CPC are going to do anything about the climate

[Ricki Bobbi]

Then he pulled empty rhetoric out of his hat

That seems tougher than pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

Is he a magician?

[B. Max]

No way the CPC are going to do anything about the climate

Man does not control the climate.

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2874/68019

[madmax]

Man does not control the climate.

Whether man does or does not control climate. Watch as Stephen Harper ends up passing a bill with regards to climate change.

[BubberMiley]

Man does not control the climate.

But he affects it.

[jbg]

No way the CPC are going to do anything about the climate

Man does not control the climate.

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2874/68019

Lyrically, the question of climate control's been asked and answered:

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Who'll Stop the Rain (link to lyrics)

Long as I remember the rain been comin down.

Clouds of mystry pourin confusion on the ground.

Good men through the ages, tryin to find the sun;

And I wonder, still I wonder, wholl stop the rain.

I went down virginia, seekin shelter from the storm.

Caught up in the fable, I watched the tower grow.

Five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains.

And I wonder, still I wonder wholl stop the rain.

Heard the singers playin, how we cheered for more.

The crowd had rushed together, tryin to keep warm.

Still the rain kept pourin, fallin on my ears.

And I wonder, still I wonder wholl stop the rain.

[Catchme]

Man does not control the climate.

But he affects it.

Semantically that is different how?

Our affecting it, is controlling it. In fact, so much so, they now have studies proving earlier studies projections were correct. We have and exceeded hit projections done long ago on what our negative "affecting" the environment would do to the climate in the future. What is that if not control? Just seeding the clouds for rain is climate/weather control.

[Who's Doing What?]

Then he pulled empty rhetoric out of his hat and said:

Had he been sitting on his hat?

Because I'm pretty sure empty rhetoric comes from somewhere else....

[madmax]

Lyrically, the question of climate control's been asked and answered:

Creedence Clearwater Revivial - Who'll Stop the Rain (link to lyrics)

And I wonder, still I wonder wholl stop the rain.

Are going to present all your arguments with CCR lyrical Content.

Creedence Clearwater Revivial - Fortunate Son

Should be an excellent choice.

[madmax]

Man does not control the climate.

Tell it to this man

“I think the science is clear that these changes are occurring, they’re serious and we must act,” Harper said outside the Commons today.

``The government has the intention to act.”

He thinks we affect climate.

[madmax]

I have noticed alot of Laytons comments talk about Stephen needing to change direction

and alot of Stephens comments in the past weeks have been a significant change in direction from his past comments.

Are these guys trying to nullify the environment effect before the next election or take advantage of it?

[BubberMiley]

Man does not control the climate.

But he affects it.

Semantically that is different how?

You can have an effect on your teenager's behaviour, but you can't control it. You can dump outrageous amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere and watch the effect, but you can't control what's going to happen one they're there.

[jbg]

Are going to present all your arguments with CCR lyrical Content.

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son

Should be an excellent choice.

What lyrics in Fortunate Son relate to weather or climate?

As far as using lyrics, it's a way to lighten up the discussion a bit.

[BubberMiley]

I see the bad moon arising.

I see trouble on the way.

I see earthquakes and lightnin.

I see bad times today.

I hear hurricanes ablowing.

I know the end is coming soon.

I fear rivers over flowing.

I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Hope you got your things together.

Hope you are quite prepared to die.

Looks like were in for nasty weather.

One eye is taken for an eye

Dont go around tonight,

Well, its bound to take your life,

Theres a bad moon on the rise.

[Canuck E Stan]

You can dump outrageous amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere and watch the effect, but you can't control what's going to happen one they're there.

Going gung ho and trying to solve the problem quickly to what amounts to less than 2% of the problem as it stands today might make you well warm and fuzzy inside as a citizen of the world, but a reality check should tell you life isn't a movie that has a happy ending.

If man is 90% of the probable cause, it's more important to get 98% of those countries who are responsible to start to do something about it.

Here in Canada,where we are dealing with a 2% solution,Layton and especially Dion, should stop the retoric about the environment and get the bill on clean air passed now so action can be taken now. This waste of time by holding up the bill for political reasons does nothing for the environment. If they really are serious about the issue, get it going, because....

The Times are a changin'......

Come gather 'round people

Wherever you roam

And admit that the waters

Around you have grown

And accept it that soon

You'll be drenched to the bone.

If your time to you

Is worth savin'

Then you better start swimmin'

Or you'll sink like a stone

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics

Who prophesize with your pen

And keep your eyes wide

The chance won't come again

And don't speak too soon

For the wheel's still in spin

And there's no tellin' who

That it's namin'.

For the loser now

Will be later to win

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen

Please heed the call

Don't stand in the doorway

Don't block up the hall

For he that gets hurt

Will be he who has stalled

There's a battle outside

And it is ragin'.

It'll soon shake your windows

And rattle your walls

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers

Throughout the land

And don't criticize

What you can't understand

Your sons and your daughters

Are beyond your command

Your old road is

Rapidly agin'.

Please get out of the new one

If you can't lend your hand

For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn

The curse it is cast

The slow one now

Will later be fast

As the present now

Will later be past

The order is

Rapidly fadin'.

And the first one now

Will later be last

For the times they are a-changin'.

-Bob Dylan

[BubberMiley]

Hey, this is a CCR thread, man.

[B. Max]

You can dump outrageous amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere and watch the effect, but you can't control what's going to happen one they're there.

Actually here are the numbers. As opposed to the myths dreamed up by the global warming alarmists.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

[Catchme]

Excuse me, that is old old data, there have been numerous reports out since the one in 2000 that you link to, and 2 significant ones within the last month. Both are linked in other threads, One was from the UN and the other was from a group of scientists around the world that is discussed in length in another environment thread, as search of the last month would find it. Plus the Stern Report is also discussed and has much more current data.

[madmax]

Are going to present all your arguments with CCR lyrical Content.

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son

Should be an excellent choice.

What lyrics in Fortunate Son relate to weather or climate?

None, Now that you have started using CCR in your answers, you can answer all the threads quoting CCR songs. That was a choice song for another thread you participate in.

As far as using lyrics, it's a way to lighten up the discussion a bit.

I know, I have been laughing the whole time.

[jbg]

None, Now that you have started using CCR in your answers, you can answer all the threads quoting CCR songs. That was a choice song for another thread you participate in.

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I know, I have been laughing the whole time.

I pick appropriate song lyrics, whether Blue Rodeo, Gordon Lightfoot, Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc. And as for laughing, I notice that left wingers have no sense of humor.

[Ricki Bobbi]

I pick appropriate song lyrics, whether Blue Rodeo, Gordon Lightfoot, Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc. And as for laughing, I notice that left wingers have no sense of humor.

Ahh that would be no sense of humour. This is a Canadian message board.